FL - Jennifer Kesse, 24, Orlando, 24 Jan 2006 - #3

[Myserty64]

Perhaps all missing persons should be treated as 'missing, endangered' from the very beginning.

It was about eleven days before the POI photos emerged. That is a long time in what is a very serious case.
The POI /perpetrator had more than enough time to get right out of the area.

Anyway, drumstick makes a good point.

 

[leftcoast]

Yes, in a perfect world, there would a "missing person" task force. But, on the other hand, I thought I saw a quote that there were something like 3,000 people who were called in as missing in Florida in 2006. IF that number is correct, that is a whole lot of people. I think some common sense should go into who is considered endangered versus runaway's

I think the number one problem in this case was that her disappearance was not taken seriously until her car was found. Given her background, just buying a condo, her stable life, lack of drug use, and the fact that her cellphone went straight to voicemail, I think this case should have raised red flags immediately. I've said it before, and I know everyone is tired of hearing it, but, why not error on the side of caution, consider the possibility that a crime occured, and seal off the place (the condo) where Jk was last known to have been. Just in case.

Does anyone know this answer. Did the police actually go door to door in Jk's complex on the 24th, looking for leads? I know the Kesse's put fliers on all doors in the complex on the 24th.

And why did it take so long to get that picture of the POI to the public?
And why haven't there been any press releases, press conferences, etc. from the Orlando police in months, related to this case?

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[UM&AMWfan]

As a matter of fact, I think it is police policy all over the USA to wait 24 hours if an adult has been reported missing or wait 24 hours till their last known location. In 24 hours a perp. has plenty of time to get rid of a body and maybe even get out of the area.

On the other hand, I heard there is a pretty significant percentage of people who are reported missing who are not missing at all. They either ran away, went away without telling anyone, etc.

But like left coast said red flags should have been raised immediately in Jennifer's situation considering her background and lifestyle and LE should've started within a few hours.

But even if the waited a few days to get inside Jennifer's condo the evidence in there wasn't comprimised in any way, right?

DNA, fingerprints, hairs, etc. will still be there for quite a while so the public wasn't going inside Jennifer's condo to contaminate the crime scene so LE should have still been able to analyze Jennifer's condo thoroughly, right?

 

[drumstick]

From www.findjenniferkesse.com

February 24, 2007 Kesse Family Letter

Another month has now gone by making it 13 very long months since we last saw, hugged, kissed and spoke with Jennifer. Time does not heal all wounds when there are no answers. We, her family and friends are as strong as ever if not stronger and committed to doing everything humanly possible to find her and bring her home. We have said this time and time again; however the investigation into Jennifer's abduction is still VERY ACTIVE. Leads continue to come in almost daily and we need them to continue so please if you know anything - anything, and we know someone knows something, do not discount it and call any one of the contact numbers listed on this site, Police, Crimeline, family tipline, a lawyer, the Clergy or anyone you trust to pass on information, we are desperately seeking to end Jennifer's disappearance. No one deserves what she is or has gone through and it should not be tolerated by any society. To this day, there is still an abductor(s) loose amongst us and they need to be found and taken off our streets. If not, WHO WILL BE NEXT?

If you do know information and you are not coming forward you are considered just as guilty as the person(s) who has committed this heinous crime. It is not too late to make a difference in bringing Jennifer back home to us, make the call - NOW! There is hope for those involved. It's not too late for them to show remorse for their doings and come forward. Yes, it will be the hardest thing you have ever done - giving information or coming forward - however Jennifer is a human being, not an object, and needs to be freed or found, SIMPLY LEAVE HER IN A PUBLIC PLACE AND GO! We are not going to back down or go away nor will the authorities! It's only a matter of time, so make that time NOW! There are still reward monies available for Jennifer's whereabouts or The Person of Interest's whereabouts.

We thank you all for continuing to keep Jennifer in your hearts, minds and public awareness!

Drew, Joyce, Logan Kesse & Rob Allen
_________________
Help Find Jenn... www.findjenniferkesse.com

 

[Beyond Belief]

UM & Myst. I agree. Everyone seems to conclude that Jenn was attacked at her car. There are other scenarios.

How do we know it wasn't a neighbor, security, etc. he knocks on her condo door and overpowers her. Then, moves the car to throw police off, and walks back to the complex. This scenario could explain everything.

It seems to me that LE has hinted it has video of Jenn in her car with another person after 10pm on the 23rd. Anybody else remember this? If so, are they bluffing? If not, why not release this video and hope for more tips. why not release the video from the second camera at HOTG? At this point, what is the downside to releasing more clues?

I don't understand why LE won't release more clues. UNless they have the perp. under surveillance, there is a safety risk to the community until this case is solved. People who commit crimes like this are not one time offenders.

Let's face it, this case is cold.

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I thought I recalled LE saying in an interview that they had Jenn on the tape.

 

[Enrique Sparta]

every time a baby is born, his or her DNA sample should be taken and stored in a large database. That way every time there is evidence at a crime scene, the DNA will be collected, tested, and you have your perpetrator(s). This should've been started long ago.

-Still waiting for why the POI is a POI. I know it's probably because of another camera showing the car being dropped off at that time or some other reason but I wanna know for sure. I hate that useless picture. Memo to Orland Police, tell us why the POI is a POI and maybe the public can help you. Release the other pictures and/or tell us why this POI is important to Jennifer Kesse's case.

-I might be wrong on this, but didn't the cops state early on that Jennifer was abducted? Myserty do you know? You've followed the case from day one. If so, then the cops have a lot more info because they wouldn't rush into judgment after such a short time. They keep the possible scenarios (kidnapping, murder, run away, amnesia, out of town, want to disappear and start a new life, etc) open until there is reason to believe foul play was suspected. After all the overwhelming majority of "missing" people come back shortly and are found safe. They must have some evidence, fingerprints from the car, blood, something that they're hiding. They came to the conclusion that foul play was involved awful quickly.

-I still think there's a high probability Jennifer was abducted while walking to her car on the morning of the 24th or while getting into her car. So do the cops who have all the information and Jennifer's family. She was last heard from on the phone with her boyfriend at about 10 PM. Did the boyfriend say Jennifer was calling to say goodnight and she was in bed? Probably, she was probably really tired since she went straight to work following vacation. And also did she have problems sleeping? Was she known to get outta bed in the middle of the night or be a night person? Ask her family, friends, boyfriend. You could probably eliminate the nighttime hour abduction thing with these easy to answer questions.

Where her car was parked, is it surrounded by gates? or can anybody get in? Hard to believe the kidnapper was somebody not related to that complex in anyway and was just someone walking down the street. It was either somebody from that complex be it a person living there, a guest of a person living there, a construction worker, a contractor or any other homebuilder. OR somebody that knows JK away from that place.

-I wonder if they checked surveillance cameras all around the area. Strip malls, restaurant parking lots, store lots, is it possible to check the cameras from stoplights? You know the ones that take a picture of you and your car running a red light? Are those on at all times? Check all pictures of cameras in the area.

 

[leftcoast]

-Still waiting for why the POI is a POI. I know it's probably because of another camera showing the car being dropped off at that time or some other reason but I wanna know for sure. I hate that useless picture. Memo to Orland Police, tell us why the POI is a POI and maybe the public can help you. Release the other pictures and/or tell us why this POI is important to Jennifer Kesse's case.
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Bingo!!!!!!! Agree, and while they are at it, show the pictures from the other camera at HOTG. Then, maybe this case will be solved.

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[Myserty64]

I wondered why the POI was a POI for a long time too. The way I saw it this guy just happened to walking past the gate so what was the big deal?
The first thing that was pointed out to me was 'he was on private property.'
That still didn't do it for me because there had to be more to it.

I wonder what is being withheld by the police and why. Actually the why part is understandable because some information that only the perpetrator could know is held for the time when a suspect is being questioned.
As for the 'what' part,well, the police have already stated that they know Jennifer was not the last person to drive her car.
They have also stated that the POI was photographed about the same time her car was parked/dropped.
The way I see it the ducks are lined up in a row for the POI to be the guy who parked the car.
There is a camera overlooking the area where Jennifer's car was parked so there must be photographic evidence.

It does concern me that this case might not have been handled as well as it could have been.

 

[Myserty64]

I notice in the Kesse Family Letter that was re-posted on page 5 of this thread it says; 'the investigation into Jennifer's abduction is very active and leads continue to come in almost daily.'
Whilst I admire the courage and optimism of Jennifer's family I have to wonder where this case is today.

Are there really new leads coming in frequently after over 400 days?
Are the case files getting rather cold?

I cannot understand the silence from the police; they haven't released anything in months.
I believe this case needs a good investigative reporter to see what can be uncovered about the way this case has been handled and what could have happened to Jennifer.
Maybe a good PI would be handy too.

 

[UK Sleuth]

Regarding the poi picture the thing I dont get is if LE have a picture of him/her parking the car from the camera over looking the parking lot then why dont they release it?

Those two pics they have released are dreadful quality so if they have any other pictures surely they are better or at least of equal quality.

If they know what time the car was dropped then the only way I can imagine they know this is they have footage of it being parked.

The only other scenario I can think of is the footage of the car being dropped doesnt actually show the driver which I find hard to believe.

 

[Myserty64]

Is it possible the pictures of the car being parked are so poor in quality they make the published POI pictures look like they are high definition! Just wondering.

 

[UK Sleuth]

Indeed!

They must be good enough to suggest that the poi and the person who parked the car are one and the same.

If that is the case then I think they should say that the poi parked the car and thus remove any doubt.

The way it looks at the minute is they know the car was parked there at around that time from some other source and the only person they caught on CCTV at that time was the poi hence they became of interest but cannot say for sure they parked it.

This case is baffling, not only the dissappearance but the selective details released into the public domain

 

[leftcoast]

I notice in the Kesse Family Letter that was re-posted on page 5 of this thread it says; 'the investigation into Jennifer's abduction is very active and leads continue to come in almost daily.'
Whilst I admire the courage and optimism of Jennifer's family I have to wonder where this case is today.

Are there really new leads coming in frequently after over 400 days?
Are the case files getting rather cold?

I cannot understand the silence from the police; they haven't released anything in months.
I believe this case needs a good investigative reporter to see what can be uncovered about the way this case has been handled and what could have happened to Jennifer.
Maybe a good PI would be handy too.

Excellent points. If all of these leads are coming in daily, then why isn't this case solved?

Also, where in the world are the television news stations and their reporters? WE had a similar story where I lived, and it received constant attention. Finally, a newspaper put a picture of the most likely suspect in the newspaper, and the public pressured the FBI to dig up his newly installed patio, and we all know what they found. But, if it wasn't for the public getting on LE, as well as local media, I don't know if that case would have been solved.

I think the local television stations and newspapers should be ashamed as their poor coverage. Stop mickey mousing around, and send out an investigative reporter to get more publicity for this case.

fed up

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[Bobbisangel]

I personally don't think that they have anything. They can tell that Jennifer wasn't the last person to drive the car because of the distance between the gas pedal and the seat. And probably the way the mirrors was arranged.

If they got any prints from the car they must not have anyone in the data base that matches them.

That picture that they put out there from the camera was so bad that I doubt anyone will ever be identified from it. What is the point of having camera's if they don't work any better then that?

How could they be getting in that many leads weekly? I've never heard of a case this old where the tips just keep flowing in by the hundreds. I think LE is trying pacify the public because they have nothing on this case and people want to hear that they have at least something.

 

[Myserty64]

Good post leftcoast.
After the first couple of weeks the media coverage of Jennifer's disappearance was abysmal. I remember looking at the on-line version of the Orlando Sentinel on a daily basis and as the weeks went by there was barely a mention of Jennifer Kesse.

Truth be told I wondered whether Jennifer's parents had all their eggs in one basket by leaving the investigation to the police.
Would it have been worthwhile to hire a good PI in the early stages when the case had already stalled?
I'm not criticising Jennifer's parents in any way here and I must say I'm not renown for my patience.
If this had happened to my daughter I would have been screaming from the roof tops and today I would be wanting answers not excuses.

 

[Enrique Sparta]

ha BobbyAngel

if what you say is true, the picture is even more meaningless and the cops are freaking morons

"oooh a guy walking by in the parking lot where JK's car was found. It must be him! SUSPECT!"

 

[Myserty64]

The POI did park the car.

 

[leftcoast]

The POI did park the car.

Mystery: Do you know something we don't, inside information from LE? or are you just putting together the pieces of the puzzle?

thanks for the compliment. I am just so sick and tired of the media in this country. Anna Nicole Smith on Greta Van Susteran every single night. I am losing respect for Greta. She is turning into the National Enquirer on tv. and don't get me started on the local tv stations and newspaper (from what I have seen on the internet).

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ps Anybody else notice this? When Natalie Holloway went missing, all of us American's said, "what a poor investigation" down in Arruba, if that was in the states, the case would be solved. Well, we have a similar case, and a picture, and we have nothing. So, I guess we aren't as smart as we think we are.

 

[Myserty64]

With regard to the POI there have been rumors around but mostly I have deduced the POI must have dropped the car by what I have read.
For instance there was a lot of importance given to finding the POI both by the police and the Kesse family.
I used to wonder why this was but now I believe that right from the beginning there are people who have known the POI was the one who parked her car at Huntington apartments.

It is worth noting that there was a clue to this when Ed Miller from AMW was on the Nancy Grace show in Feb 2006: (he is referring to the POI here)

MILLER: Well, you know, they`re not telling me a whole lot, and of course, what they do tell me, I want to be very careful to not interfere with the investigation. But investigators have indicated to me that they are fairly certain that this person, the timing is very close to when that car was discovered. And therefore -- and again, I`m not saying I know what happened, but it could be a fingerprint on the fence, could be a fingerprint on the car. They`re just not saying for sure. But they do believe there`s something more to this person of interest than simply meets the eye.


MILLER: Yes, absolutely. But there could be other indications. You know, perhaps the seat was pushed back or whatever. But they are saying for sure that Jennifer did not get that car there. Somebody else got that car there, whether it`s fingerprints or something else, or you know, it`s some other evidence that was left there.

I added the bold text.

 

[UK Sleuth]

I notice your extract says 'the timing is very close to when that car was discovered' I thought the car wasnt discovered until the Thursday???

That sounds like a slip/hint to 'the timing is very close to when that car was dumped there'

It seems to me that LE are certain that the car was dumped at that time which is why poi is poi and they know that the he/she dumped it there.

Therefore either somebody saw the poi dump the car or they have it on CCTV, either way I think that should be made public.

I would assume that from the time of 10pm on the 23rd(when JK Was last heard from) until discovery of the car on Thursday the 26th that the poi would not have been the only person to walk in front of that camera.

If they didnt know when the car was dumped and the poi dumped it then you would think that every person who walked past that camera would be a poi.