FL - Jennifer Kesse, 24, Orlando, 24 Jan 2006 - #3

[UK Sleuth]

I see this thread has been busy, good stuff keep it going folks.

If LE believe/know there was an accomplice then I can only think they withheld this information in the hope that one would grass on the other.

They have then used their's and the Kesse's statements to entice one of those involved to come forward e.g WE KNOW SOMEONE KNOWS SOMETHING.

Its been over 14 months and this has not happened.

I pray Jennifer is still with us but if she isn't this accomplice even if they did not personally harm her would be an accessory to murder.

Are they going to come forward? Personally I doubt it.

The only way I could see it is if they were arrested for another crime and then confessed.

I understand the strategy employed but it hasnt worked so far.

Who knows what has happened behind the scenes but it doesnt look like the investigation has moved on much since the poi photos were released despite rhetoric to the contrary.

If they know their is an accomplice how do they know? Tell us.

If they stongly believe there was an accomplice then tell the world who knows what this new evidence may trigger in someone.

The only other scenario I can think based on this is that police have a strong suspect but dont have enough evidence to arrest and are looking for someone close to the person who they believe knows to find a conscience and come forward.

 

[Myserty64]

Nice post UK (BTW it's a big game for you guys tonight, good luck.)

Here is why we will never know anymore about this case unless there is an arrest and court case.
The lead detective here is being asked about the Jennifer Kesse case:

Head Detective: We have processed the car. We cannot comment on what we gathered from the car.

Interviewer: Did there as if there had been a struggle in the car?

RING: That, again, we cannot comment on.

Interviewer: You`re really not helping, Sergeant!

Head Detective: I`m terribly sorry. I can`t talk about evidentiary...

So there we are and unless there is a break through it is highly unlikely we will ever know more than we do today.

 

[UK Sleuth]

Nice post UK (BTW it's a big game for you guys tonight, good luck.)

Here is why we will never know anymore about this case unless there is an arrest and court case.
The lead detective here is being asked about the Jennifer Kesse case:

Head Detective: We have processed the car. We cannot comment on what we gathered from the car.

Interviewer: Did there as if there had been a struggle in the car?

RING: That, again, we cannot comment on.

Interviewer: You`re really not helping, Sergeant!

Head Detective: I`m terribly sorry. I can`t talk about evidentiary...

So there we are and unless there is a break through it is highly unlikely we will ever know more than we do today.

Thanks for the good luck were gonna need it some of the big players need to step up, Flintoff and Vaughan primarily.

Back to the case incredibly frustrating as we all know looking through I found this:

WENDY MURPHY, FORMER PROSECUTOR: Yes. Jane, you know, I just can`t even think of another case remotely like this one in terms of the curiosities. And as I was listening, I was struck by the fact that she was in bed on a Monday night, according to Rob, her boyfriend, in bed at 10:00 PM, saying good night. So presumably, she was safe in bed on Monday night, and she didn`t call him the next morning, which is something, according to him, she did on a regular basis, apparently, before she even left her condo.


I think it would be interesting to know if Jennifer as a rule always texted RA before she left her condo or did she sometimes do it on her way to work or when she arrived at work?

RA could answer this, did the text always come through at approximately the same time?

If she always did it before she left her condo then that would lean more towards leftcoasts hunch that she was abducted in her condo.

Jennifer sounds like a very routined girl and if she did always text before leaving her condo what are the chances that on the day she was abducted she decided not too?

What I'm saying is if you could establish that she always did text before she left her condo then it adds greater weight to the argument she either let someone into her apartment or someone let themselves in.

Pointing to someone she knew and trusted or someone who had cloned her key.

 

[drumstick]

"What I'm saying is if you could establish that she always did text before she left her condo then it adds greater weight to the argument she either let someone into her apartment or someone let themselves in.

Pointing to someone she knew and trusted or someone who had cloned her key."


Like a maintenance worker at the condo or a valet parking attendant?

 

[UK Sleuth]

"What I'm saying is if you could establish that she always did text before she left her condo then it adds greater weight to the argument she either let someone into her apartment or someone let themselves in.

Pointing to someone she knew and trusted or someone who had cloned her key."


Like a maintenance worker at the condo or a valet parking attendant?

Exactly!

 

[drumstick]

In this morning's paper (in case you didn't see it) ...

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/state/orl-kesse1107apr11,0,6318029.story?coll=orl-home-headlines

Kesse legislation no sure thing

<snip>

TALLAHASSEE -- Legislation inspired by last year's disappearance of Orlando's Jennifer Kesse cleared a Senate committee Tuesday, but it may face long odds of winning full approval this spring.

~

 

[ShowerSinger]

It's probably too late to do this, but don't they have cameras all over from the local networks for the weather watches? Also, isn't there a bus stop nearby? Could someone have jumped on the bus?

 

[UK Sleuth]

Hi shower I'm not sure to the extent of cameras in the area as Im on this side of the pond but I find it hard to believe that if LE had any other CCTV of any note they wouldnt have released it by now.

LE have stated the poi is a poi as they are walking past at the time Jennifers car was dumped at HOTG, this means somehow they know the car was dumped at that time otherwise everyone walking past the camera in the two days before JKs car was found would be a poi.

The only thing I can think is they have some partial footage of the car very near/heading towards HOTG which doesnt give you any footage of the person driving the car thus the person walking back from the car park at that time becomes a poi.

Regarding the bus stop if there is a bus it doesnt look like the poi has gotten on it, if he has then nobody has come forward to report it.

It's one big mystery that doesnt seem to add up whichever angle you come from.

I would dearly love to know how they know the car was parked at that time.

 

[drumstick]

Chuck Hustmyer with Crime Library has written several articles about Jennifer.
http://www.crimelibrary.com/news/original/0107/2301_kesse_still_missing3.html

<snip>

&#8220;Police eventually found out that someone parked Jennifer's car at the complex about noon on Jan. 24.

<snip>

For nearly a year, investigators have been trying to identify the person in the photograph, whom they refer to as a "person of interest," in the hope that he or she may have seen who was driving Jennifer's car.

Police have also said that when they found the car, the seat was pushed all the way back, suggesting that someone taller than Jennifer's 5 feet 8 inches was the last to drive it.&#8221;

 

[UK Sleuth]

Yet the poi's height is estimated as 5ft 3 - 5ft inches!!!!

Also the detective states they wont say how they know the vehicle was parked there at noon as it is a matter of 'strategy'

So either Leftcoast is correct and the poi height has been estimated wrongly and the poi is over 5ft 8in explaining the car sear pushed back.

or

The 'poi' didnt drive the car to HOTG but was a passenger and therefore an accomplice?

or

The poi could have driven the car there and simply pushed the seat back.

Was the 'strategy' that they believe the poi is an accomplice and thats why they wont reveal they know he was involved to try and entice him into coming forward?

There are more questions than answers as usual....

 

[docwho3]

Yet the poi's height is estimated as 5ft 3 - 5ft inches!!!!

Also the detective states they wont say how they know the vehicle was parked there at noon as it is a matter of 'strategy'

So either Leftcoast is correct and the poi height has been estimated wrongly and the poi is over 5ft 8in explaining the car sear pushed back.

or

The 'poi' didnt drive the car to HOTG but was a passenger and therefore an accomplice?

or

The poi could have driven the car there and simply pushed the seat back.

Was the 'strategy' that they believe the poi is an accomplice and thats why they wont reveal they know he was involved to try and entice him into coming forward?

There are more questions than answers as usual....

Ok, lets look at what people would have thought if the video had not been available and if they had found the car seat pushed back when the car was located. They would possibly be looking for someone taller and/or heavier than the missing young lady. Could this have been an effort by the perp to stage the scene?

 

[drumstick]

Valet attendant's are instructed not to change the position of the seat or the mirrors or anything else for that matter.
Or it could be someone trying not to leave a trace.

If Jennifer was wearing high heels to work (which I'm sure would be appropriate) 5'8 with 3" inch heels would explain the seat being pushed all the way back.

IMO

 

[Myserty64]

So if the POI is in fact 5'3" to 5'5" he would have had to move the seat forward to drive comfortably. (I don't think there is a worse way to drive than with your feet barely reaching the pedals).

The POI then had to the foresight to shift the seat all the way back when he parked the car.
That is is easily done while you are still sitting in the car.

Whoever committed this crime appears to have thought every action through and planned accordingly.
The investigation needs to restart with those who knew Jennifer. Get them to account for their movements on January 24th 2006 and recheck their alibis.

 

[Bobbisangel]

I think whoever took Jennifer had been watching her or stalking her for some time. I think his patience wore thin when she went on vacation and was gone for a week or two with her boyfriend. I would guess that he had every move planned out and knew just what he was going to do and how he was going to do it. I'll be surprised if he is ever found or even if she is ever found. As far as we know there is no evidence at all. I doubt that the person of interest would even recognize himself/herself in that video that has been shown. It is hard to believe that there has been no headway made on this case but it looks like the abductor knew what he was doing and how to cover his tracks.

 

[UM&AMWfan]

Its amazing how deeply involved some of you have gotten with every intricate detail of this case. Some of you guys seem like you actually must friends or family of Jennifer to keep this up with such vigor.

Why do you think it is that most of the other cases like Chanel Petro Nixon are not receiving the same amount of posts and interest on this board that Jennifer Kesse is?

 

[UM&AMWfan]

I think whoever took Jennifer had been watching her or stalking her for some time. I think his patience wore thin when she went on vacation and was gone for a week or two with her boyfriend. I would guess that he had every move planned out and knew just what he was going to do and how he was going to do it. I'll be surprised if he is ever found or even if she is ever found. As far as we know there is no evidence at all. I doubt that the person of interest would even recognize himself/herself in that video that has been shown. It is hard to believe that there has been no headway made on this case but it looks like the abductor knew what he was doing and how to cover his tracks.

So you are saying there is such as a thing a perfect crime.

 

[UK Sleuth]

I think whoever took Jennifer had been watching her or stalking her for some time. I think his patience wore thin when she went on vacation and was gone for a week or two with her boyfriend. I would guess that he had every move planned out and knew just what he was going to do and how he was going to do it. I'll be surprised if he is ever found or even if she is ever found. As far as we know there is no evidence at all. I doubt that the person of interest would even recognize himself/herself in that video that has been shown. It is hard to believe that there has been no headway made on this case but it looks like the abductor knew what he was doing and how to cover his tracks.

Personally I dont believe in the perfect crime and I think that is proved by the fact the poi has been caught on CCTV.

Okay they have got lucky as the picture is poor however if we assume the poi is involved in some way they havent contemplated the possibility of being caught on HOTG CCTV when dumping the car(if they did)

Thats not very good planning is it?

You would think they would take the car to somewhere with no CCTV surely?

There appears a lack of evidence in this case but I dont believe some criminal mastermind has pulled off the 'perfect crime' I think they have left little evidence, got lucky and from what I've read I don't think LE have performed at their best in this case.

The combination of these factors is imo the reason why the investigation appears no further on than it was 1 year ago.

JMHO

 

[UK Sleuth]

Its amazing how deeply involved some of you have gotten with every intricate detail of this case. Some of you guys seem like you actually must friends or family of Jennifer to keep this up with such vigor.

Why do you think it is that most of the other cases like Chanel Petro Nixon are not receiving the same amount of posts and interest on this board that Jennifer Kesse is?

I take it that is some sort of swipe at people who are doing what little they can to help in this case?

I'm not a friend or family in fact I have never been to the US however I have read about this case and feel it is one of those for want of a better word 'intriguing' cases which I find hard to believe has not gotten any further in the last year.

I believe this case is solvable, there are many dissappearances with less to go on than this one so this one probably gets more attention than some other cases.

Therefore we are more discussing theories/what should be done, we are not trying to jump on some Jennifer Kesse bandwagon, well I'm certainly not.

I read up on lots of cases both here and in the USA and this is one of the few that I believe could be taken further with the right people involved.

I dont know why this case receives more attention than others on this board, maybe for the reasons stated above.

On most occasions I click on there are more people discussing Anna Nicole Smith than anything else so why are people more intent on discussing about someone who is dead as opposed to people who are missing but may still be alive?

Because she was a celebrity I guess.

I shall read up on the case you have mentioned.

 

[UM&AMWfan]

UK Sleuth, yeah the Jennifer Kesse case is definitely intriguing but if you want and even MORE intriguing case and it's probably one of the most intriguing cases ever you should see the case of Lana Stempien and Chuck Rutherford.

I'm sure they must have a thread on here but it's about this couple who were both attorneys and went on a boating trip on Lake Michigan (or one of the great lakes) and then they find their boat floating and totally abandoned with no sign of either of them.

Some days later Lana's nude body washes up on shore although at somewhat a further distance from where the boat was found and Chuck Rutherford is STILL missing and has never been found. I believe this happened in 2005 so it's a little older than the Kesse case. You should check it out.

BTW, the chances of Kesse being alive by now are practically below zero. Has an adult women even been kept alive for over a year by an abductor?? I know it's happened to people under 18 but I've never heard of it happening THAT long to an adult anywhere in the world.

 

[UK Sleuth]

I will read up on that case when I get a chance thanks for the info.

Yes I know it is most likely that JK isnt alive after this amount of time.

Hopefully she is but if she isnt I hope the authorities make an arrest at some point.