FL - Jennifer Kesse, 24, Orlando, 24 Jan 2006 - #3

[Myserty64]

Left,

I would assume the police have compared finger prints and/or DNA from her car to that of Rob, Jennifer any other people known to have ridden in her car in recent times.
I don't really know how they go about this.

It has been known for a while that there are no matches in any data base for evidence from the car.
You will have to make of that what you will.

Watching the recent video clips reminded me of the much maligned tracking dogs.
Let's play a guessing game.
Anyone care to guess as to where the tracking dog actually stopped when he followed the scent from the car.
In the early days it was reported the dog went to her condo door. Then it was ammended to the staircase leading up to her condo.

Excuse the pun but 'the dogs are barking' it may have been somewhere else.

This case needs all the help it can get, even strong rumors.

 

[Myserty64]

BTW ......Left...............I believe the tape has been edited too.
Something worth holding back perhaps.

 

[leftcoast]

Left,

I would assume the police have compared finger prints and/or DNA from her car to that of Rob, Jennifer any other people known to have ridden in her car in recent times.
I don't really know how they go about this.

It has been known for a while that there are no matches in any data base for evidence from the car.
You will have to make of that what you will.

Watching the recent video clips reminded me of the much maligned tracking dogs.
Let's play a guessing game.
Anyone care to guess as to where the tracking dog actually stopped when he followed the scent from the car.
In the early days it was reported the dog went to her condo door. Then it was ammended to the staircase leading up to her condo.

Excuse the pun but 'the dogs are barking' it may have been somewhere else.

This case needs all the help it can get, even strong rumors.

Okay, you peaked my interest, where did the dogs end up?

I'm guessing either Jk's parking spot, or a neighbors door.

BTW: Mystery, where did you read about the forensic evidence without a match? I don't get it. I'll tell you why?

IF LE has DNA or prints, why aren't they asking for prints and DNA samples from everyone who is a suspect.

STart with the most obvious, and work your way down. PLus, how can LE be certain the forensic evidence was 100% left by the suspect.

For example, a print could be left by anyone, a co-worker, car wash, valet, etc. aS for DNA, why would the suspect bleed, unless they have a hair that is unidentified, or a water bottle, soda can, etc. Who knows, maybe he was stupid enough to smoke in her car and leave a cigarette. Now, that would be stupid, and he should have been caught a long time ago, if true.

However, Le could still get DNA samples from all suspects.

thanks for the help

left

 

[nanandjim]

Is there any military base around where Jennifer lives? The reason that I am asking is the photo on Jennifer's website looks like a military guy to me. The short haircut, the white outfit (particularly the pants) and the black shoes. My ex-husband used to be a midshipmen at the Naval Academy; and the outfit and haircut of the suspect immediately struck me as "military like."

I don't know a lot about the case, but I'm assuming someone lured Jennifer out at night or she went to her car to get something and this was a "per chance" abduction. Could someone that she recognized in the complex have knocked on her door and said that she needed to move her car or something? After all, wasn't she pretty new around there? If it were a clean cut, military type guy that she recognized, she may have let her guard down.

I'm just brainstorming here. Sorry if I am not making sense...

 

[leftcoast]

Is there any military base around where Jennifer lives? The reason that I am asking is the photo on Jennifer's website looks like a military guy to me. The short haircut, the white outfit (particularly the pants) and the black shoes. My ex-husband used to be a midshipmen at the Naval Academy; and the outfit and haircut of the suspect immediately struck me as "military like."

I don't know a lot about the case, but I'm assuming someone lured Jennifer out at night or she went to her car to get something and this was a "per chance" abduction. Could someone that she recognized in the complex have knocked on her door and said that she needed to move her car or something? After all, wasn't she pretty new around there? If it were a clean cut, military type guy that she recognized, she may have let her guard down.

I'm just brainstorming here. Sorry if I am not making sense...

No, it makes perfect sense. she only lived there for two months.

Someone else even mentioned the possibility of a military type of pant, or uniform.

Some of us believe he is wearing a hat, or helmet, or beret.

left

 

[nanandjim]

No, it makes perfect sense

Someone else even mentioned the possibility of a military type of pant.

Some of us believe he is wearing a hat, or helmet, or beret.

left

In the video, it looks like a baseball hat as he is passing the gate. On the website, it kind of looks like a beret. It is a dark hat. I am going to go with baseball hat worn to help hide his facial features.

Since someone else mentioned it, I am sticking with my gut. It looks like a military guy to me. This outfit is a Navy outfit. As I said, my ex-husband was a midshipmen. Heck, it may even have been a midshipman on leave. They have summer outfits that are white shirt, white pants and black (patton leather, I believe) shoes. This outfit that this guy has accompanied by the familiar stride just makes me think of that.

 

[leftcoast]

In the video, it looks like a baseball hat as he is passing the gate. On the website, it kind of looks like a beret. It is a dark hat. I am going to go with baseball hat worn to help hide his facial features.

Since someone else mentioned it, I am sticking with my gut. It looks like a military guy to me. This outfit is a Navy outfit. As I said, my ex-husband was a midshipmen. Heck, it may even have been a midshipman on leave. They have summer outfits that are white shirt, white pants and black (patton leather, I believe) shoes. This outfit that this guy has accompanied by the familiar stride just makes me think of that.

Definitely a possibility

Who's to say he wasnt' visiting a friend in the complex while on leave

or maybe he even knew JK back in college, joined the service, and never forgot about her, and went to look her up.

somebody knows who this guy is. LE needs to make certain not to jump to conclusions, or eliminate people simply because they have no criminal history, are too tall, too short, etc.

He alread screwed up by leaving the car at a spot with video, you have to think he made another mistake along the line. LE just needs to find it.

good thoughts

left

 

[nanandjim]

Definitely a possibility

Who's to say he wasnt' visiting a friend in the complex while on leave

or maybe he even knew JK back in college, joined the service, and never forgot about her, and went to look her up.

somebody knows who this guy is. LE needs to make certain not to jump to conclusions, or eliminate people simply because they have no criminal history, are too tall, too short, etc.

He alread screwed up by leaving the car at a spot with video, you have to think he made another mistake along the line. LE just needs to find it.

good thoughts

left

You are correct. I can tell you first hand that all is not like it seems at the military academies. They seem like pristine individuals who come across as cream of the crop. Believe me, there are all kinds there. I know that first hand. There are also people very capable of committing crimes, such as this. The ones who are capable know that they can hide behind a facade of respectability.

I'm assuming that there were no incoming calls to her cell phone at the time of her disappearance. If this is the case, does that just leave a knock on the door or a chance that she went to her car that night for some unknown reason?

If these are the two options, a knock on the door would have to be by someone that she recognized to get her to even answer and to go outside, I would think. I myself do not answer the door unless I am expecting someone or I know that it is mail or package delivery person.

If Jennifer had to go to her car for some unknown reason, it will be harder to solve as this would be just very bad luck and random act of violence.

Just wanted to add: Berets can be part of a military uniform. I just haven't seen them worn in this country.

Here's a picture of what a Navy white uniform looks like. Remove the shoulder insignia and look at the photo on the website.

Here's a Navy baseball cap:

 

[leftcoast]

You are correct. I can tell you first hand that all is not like it seems at the military academies. They seem like pristine individuals who come across as cream of the crop. Believe me, there are all kinds there. I know that first hand. There are also people very capable of committing crimes, such as this. The ones who are capable know that they can hide behind a facade of respectability.

I'm assuming that there were no incoming calls to her cell phone at the time of her disappearance. If this is the case, does that just leave a knock on the door or a chance that she went to her car that night for some unknown reason?

If these are the two options, a knock on the door would have to be by someone that she recognized to get her to even answer and to go outside, I would think. I myself do not answer the door unless I am expecting someone or I know that it is mail or package delivery person.

If Jennifer had to go to her car for some unknown reason, it will be harder to solve as this would be just very bad luck and random act of violence.

True, there are criminals in every walk of life, that includes the military, police, etc. That is why there is Internal Affairs, and NCIS, etc.

JK had just gotten back from a trip. Maybe she had to run to the mailbox, maybe she needed to get her luggage out of her car, etc.

If a neighbor knocks on someone's door, it is common for people to open the door, and say hello, especially if they recognize the person.

Supposedly, there was an incident where JK was sleeping, and she thought someone was trying to use a key on her door. Scary. And she only lived there for two months. The locks were not changed.

The perp. could be someone who had moved away and went to visit the previous occupant, and simply had a key. Who knows?

What I do know, is that JK's parents called the complex management at around 11:15 am to report JK missing. Jk's car is dumped less than a mile away just 45 minutes later. A coincidence. Maybe.

AS for me, I have always suspected someone who lives at the units, a security guard, etc. But, your idea could include a neighbor who is in the military.

The most important thing is the Kesse's were able to get LE to release that video.

WE, here, have been begging LE to release more evidence for months. If there is evidence in that car, the perp. will be prosecuted without any trouble. finding JK is paramount, prosecuting the perp. comes second, and sometimes LE forgets this.

left

ps Supposedly, JK's cellphone had no activity after 10pm. Jk's landline information has not been released to the public. I hope LE doesn't wait 16 more months to release that information.

 

[nanandjim]

...Jk's landline information has not been released to the public. I hope LE doesn't wait 16 more months to release that information.

I used to work for BellSouth and know that this information can be obtained if the police have a warrant. I do hope that they have access to any incoming calls on her telephone. If there was a call, I would think that would about seal the deal. That, coupled with the surveillance tapes, would lead the police to the person. I regretfully am thinking that the landline records were not obtained or don't show anything of use. I do not think that they will be released to the public, in any case.

 

[leftcoast]

I used to work for BellSouth and know that this information can be obtained if the police have a warrant. I do hope that they have access to any incoming calls on her telephone. If there was a call, I would think that would about seal the deal. That, coupled with the surveillance tapes, would lead the police to the person. I regretfully am thinking that the landline records were not obtained or don't show anything of use. I do not think that they will be released to the public, in any case.

WEll, what kind of idiot would call someone on his own phone, and then abduct her.

Plus, if there was a call, this case would have been solved a long time ago.

lef t

 

[nanandjim]

WEll, what kind of idiot would call someone on his own phone, and then abduct her.

Plus, if there was a call, this case would have been solved a long time ago.

lef t

Oh, you are right. My bad...I didn't think about the perp using a payphone...
:blushing:
So many perps do just use their cell phones without realizing that they can be traced. However, if it is an intelligent guy, he knows better...

ETA: I want to say one last thing about the man in the photo on the website looking like a military man. I believe that my ex was taught how to hold his hands when he walked or marched. They are taught to close their hands (where the fingers are not dangling). It looks like his hand is closed when he is walking. Take a look and let me know what you think.

 

[panthera]

You can google Orlando sentinel and read the whole article. However this got my attention. please read carefully.



Police have polygraphed witnesses, visited areas near the woman's home that have been unearthed during recent construction and compared leads with state and federal authorities.

This is the part that caught my eye. Is it possible that Jennifer could be under some of this new construction? I don't remember if LE checked all those sites ~ wasn't there one behind her condo?

 

[panthera]

Is there any military base around where Jennifer lives? The reason that I am asking is the photo on Jennifer's website looks like a military guy to me. The short haircut, the white outfit (particularly the pants) and the black shoes. My ex-husband used to be a midshipmen at the Naval Academy; and the outfit and haircut of the suspect immediately struck me as "military like."

I don't know a lot about the case, but I'm assuming someone lured Jennifer out at night or she went to her car to get something and this was a "per chance" abduction. Could someone that she recognized in the complex have knocked on her door and said that she needed to move her car or something? After all, wasn't she pretty new around there? If it were a clean cut, military type guy that she recognized, she may have let her guard down.

I'm just brainstorming here. Sorry if I am not making sense...

Hmmmm ~ I'd never thought of him being in the military, just thought it was a guy with a short haircut wearing light clothes like might be for a painter, restaurant kitchen worker, etc.

 

[leftcoast]

I don't know

That picture, it is just so hard to tell anything.

I'm sure when LE catches the clown, it will all make sense.

Ya know, he could have been wearing a uniform, sweats, who knows what.

That is why I thought it would have been a good idea to have different people walk past that camera and get different views of clothing, and to compare them all.

I don't like the sound of looking around new construction.

But, reality is reality

left

 

[docwho3]

Night before last I saw, on the court TV channel, a show about cop chases or wildest cope chases (cant remember the exact name of the show) and on this show was a guy that had stolen a rental car and was being chased by police. He stopped and got out of the car at one point so he could taunt police before taking off again. The reason I mention all this is that he bore a pretty good resemblance to the POI images that were released in the Kesse case. Of course I only saw the image on TV for a couple of seconds so I can't say if the resemblance would hold up under close longtime scrutiny. In the shot I saw it appeared he had on white pants with a black shirt and I thought the hair had some similarity and the over all body seemed built similar. Wish I could get a copy of that couple of seconds on TV to look at again.

 

[Enrique Sparta]

I've thought for a long time the suspect in those infamous photos is wearing a baseball hat, perhaps backwards or maybe to the side to cover his face from cameras. from first glance it looks like some weird beret type of hat or a weird hairstyle but then after a while i looked closer and it seemed curved. Most guys don't wear berets, they wear baseball caps. Of course this isn't really critical, it won't lead LE to the suspect. It's too bad those cameras suck so bad. I think the suspect is also carrying something as well. That may be why his fist is clenched. He could be a military man though.

I don't think it's all that strange that they didn't have a match with the DNA or fingerprints they recovered. it is possible they've already interviewed the suspect but likely no. Also it's not crazy to believe this suspect has never been caught for anything and has no record, that's the only way they'd have his fingerprints in the database.

When leftcoast pointed out that JK's family mentioned to the Mosaic people that their daughter was missing and they asked them to check her apartment.....about 11:15, then about an hour later, the camera catches somebody dropping her car off down the street and another complex. Mysterious timing. Very good point by leftcoast, that really makes me think somebody from that complex knows something and may even be the suspect. I think it's likely the suspect doesn't live there but knows somebody who does or something. Lately I've been thinking this was not a random attack. Not somebody JK necessarily knows well or somebody from her background, just somebody who noticed her when she moved in her new place. Anyone have a link where it was mentioned JK reported that incident where she heard somebody at night trying to open her door? That is scary and if true, probably highly likely it was the same person/people who abducted her. Doesn't it seem like she just was NOT safe at all in her new place? She seemed to have the creeps at her new place. Looking back, creepy construction people, somebody trying to use a key to get in her home at night, no security, it all makes me think this wasn't a random thing.

I just thought of something...her brother and his friends hanging out there over the weekend while she was gone. if they were having a party, they probably would've had open doors and any neighbors would've been welcomed had they been walking by. It may just have been a kick back though, just a few close friends hanging out but if it were a party and not just her brother and his friends, I'd look into that and I'm sure LE has.

The new video sucks but it's nice to have something new isn't it? And you CAN see the car, hard but you can see, and you can see our boy getting out and walking away.

 

[Myserty64]

You are a very good guesser left and as they say first choice is often the best! lol

I was thinking about the case tonight and really the next few days are so critical for leads.
I feel the impact of this new video will be very short lived.

Where did the suspect come from?
If it was a morning abduction did he emerge from the woods behind Mosaic?
Was he waiting under the staircase?
Was his vehicle parked next to Jennifers?
Was he working at Mosaic?
Had he followed Jennifer home at some stage and then stalked her without her even knowing?
There are numerous possibilities.

Because the abduction was so clean (lack of evidence and witnesses) I'm inclined to believe it was planned.

Is there video evidence from other cameras in the area that show Jennifer in the car as either a driver or a passenger?
If she was driven out of the Mosaic complex you would think that someone noticed something.

Finally, the suspect also had a lot of luck. In the first photos released of him his face was obscured by a post.
Surely his luck is due to turn sour and it better be next week.

 

[Myserty64]

Enrique Sparta; you make some excellent points and also it was great work contacting OPD. Well done and thanks.

nanandjim; I hadn't considered a military uniform so thanks for the suggestion. If he was in fact in the navy it was a good way to get away from Florida I guess.

I just hope this guy is nabbed soon. He has ruined a decent family's lives as well as various loved ones. And that's just for openers.
I just don't get what makes these evil abductors tick.

 

[Myserty64]

Enrique Sparta........I don't know what link you have used to watch the video but I posted this earlier:

http://www.local6.com/news/13338700/detail.html

Select Police Release Video and when it starts to play right click on the picture and select full screen.
It's the best version I have seen so far. It's hardly Panavision of course but it's all we have.