FL - Jennifer Kesse, 24, Orlando, 24 Jan 2006 - #4

[leftcoast]

I'm almost certain that photo was a 'news team' photo. If only cameras of that quality were doing the videos.

On Jennifer's fingerprints; I would imagine they would have got them from her condo. The same would apply to her DNA. Maybe they would have got them from her work station too.

I agree Mystery, I don't think that is a stationary camera.

I agree, Le could get JK's DNA sample from her comb, toothbrush, or even her parents.

However, it would be nice to have all of JK's prints, all fingers, thumbs, palms, etc.

How confident are you that there are prints and DNA from the suspect in LE hands?

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[leftcoast]

Ah, ok. Well, it is pretty darn convincing! They even colored in the brick and everything on the other building. Hmmmm...

Anyway...where was that pic taken from of the car?

Probably from a "news camera extension boom", or a police camera "extension boom". You know, the ones they use to get photo's, or to send a picture via antannae or satellite. They raise up from the vans, and can go up to 40 feet or so.

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[SeriouslySearching]

Sorry to suddenly butt in, and I'm ashamed to say that this is the first that I've really read much about on this missing girl. After looking at the still of the suspect, I know that I've seen a few guys dressed this way before and that it was some sort of a style. I believe the few that I've seen dressed in this style here in my town were Hispanic. The baggy pants and the walk with long strides and arm held back reminds me of a gangster wannabe type.

Oh, interesting! You aren't butting in! They did say oriental or hispanic at some point. A style huh? Let me try to find out some more on it then! Thanks!

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Probably from a "news camara extension boom", or a police camera "extension boom". You know, the ones they use to get photo's, or to send a picture via antannae or satellite.

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Yes, I see now how it was taken from looking at the arial of the complex. Doh! :doh: LOL

 

[Myserty64]

One thing that has always puzzled me about this case is this. On all the message boards that have had threads on this case I have never seen anyone post that knew Jennifer in anyway. It doesn't matter whether they are workmates, old school friends, former aquaintances or whatever; nobody has ever posted.
I may well be wrong and some of you good people may have seen posts but I haven't.

Why is this so?

Have people been muzzled?
Don't any of them have any curiosity?

Am I missing something here? Why the deafening silence?

I even saw Mr Kesse post at a site. What's the problem with anyone else?

 

[leftcoast]

One thing that has always puzzled me about this case is this. On all the message boards that have had threads on this case I have never seen anyone post that knew Jennifer in anyway. It doesn't matter whether they are workmates, old school friends, former aquaintances or whatever; nobody has ever posted.
I may well be wrong and some of you good people may have seen posts but I haven't.

Why is this so?

Have people been muzzled?
Don't any of them have any curiosity?

Am I missing something here? Why the deafening silence?

I even saw Mr Kesse post at a site. What's the problem with anyone else?

I heard that some people have been muzzled.

Good point mystery.

There was a rumor that JK's co-workers were forbidden to talk about her.

I do think that someone is the ventriloquist, and I think I know who it is.

JK's friends, co-workers, could be a huge part of getting the word out, getting out JK's habits, etc.

You bring up a good point. I remember in the early days, some people would try to get other's kicked off of message boards for simply telling the truth, that JK could no longer be with us.

Sure, some people are idoits, insensitive, etc, but, people should be allowed to express their own opinions.

In addition, if you were a male, who was a friend or acquintance of JK's, would you post? Heck, some people are quick to accuse, and if LE starts looking at you, it could forever change your life. Just like the Duke kids. They will never have their reputations back in the minds of some. It is a shame.

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[leftcoast]

After studying those tapes of the POI, I continue to have a theory which just might explain why this case is cold.

I have tried to disprove my theory, and so far, it is holding up.

If I continue to try and prove myself wrong, and I can't, I may just pass it along.

I want to make certain that I "could" be right.

And no, it isn't pertaining to the height. Although, I'm still not 100% convinced, but, I will take LE word for it, for now at least.

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[Myserty64]

I see where a few of you have wondered about Jennifer's routines.
I have done the same.

I have also wondered what kind of person she really was.
Judging by what I have read and the photos I have seen she looks a lovely young lady with an outgoing personality. She has other fine attributes too.

In all the years I have been on this planet I have met some truly outstanding people.
However I have met anyone whom you could describe as angelic. We are human beings after all and we all have faults whether we like to admit it or not.
There are also people out there who don't like us for whatever reason.
We might not like that either but that's the way it is.

And along our journey through life we make the odd enemy and sometimes we are not even aware of it.

So, no matter how nice Jennifer was there would have been people out there who just didn't like her.
She also most likely had an enemy or two. You can easily make them in the work place and more especially if you are 'ambitious and driven' as Jennifer was.

Just thinking aloud again.

As for her routines I don't really know either.
Too me there just seems a lot of information that is kept under wraps and there doesn't appear to be any rational reason for it.
Perhaps it's why this case is going nowhere.
There are to many secrets being held about the mundane.

 

[leftcoast]

Excellent post Mystery, you hit the nail on the head.

One thing I have alwasy wondered about in this case.

Does LE have a "perfect" suspect, but he has a "perfect" alibi, and LE can't tie him to the car?

I have a reason for this question.

Many, many, times, a suspect will look good, and his alibi makes it appear he is innocent. Then, if one digs, the alibi starts to fall apart.

Plus, think about this. IF it happened early in the morning, most people won't have an alibi. Why? Because they were sleeping. Whose to say one person committed the crime, and one person covered it up.

Is this possible?

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[Trino]

I've been lurking for awhile, hope you don't mind my additions.

The first thing I thought of when I saw the pictures was a restaurant worker. Could the "dress" be restaurant kitchen clothes rather than street clothes? There are plenty of restaurants around the area.

As for "sagging," it's more of an inner-city look than Hispanic, Black, etc. All races do it, although it's more prevalent among Black youths and gang bangers.

5'4" to me would/could indicate a younger person who might take a purse, steal the money, then throw the purse away. He might also not understand what was in the briefcase; hence, taking it would fit. Did she usually carry her cell phone in her purse? Maybe it, too, was thrown away.

But, why was she targeted?

 

[Enrique Sparta]

JK's boyfriend Rob Allen reported that some work was being done on her condo and it had just finished. That's quite a coincidence, no?

It's too bad JK's family doesn't have an email address for tipsters. Then we could email and ask crucial questions that we have that they'd be able to answer. It would help people who are trying to solve the case, it just helps with the exposure of the mysterious vanishing of their daughter.

leftcoast, i can't wait to hear your theory.

seriously what kind of crime is this? who disappears at 8 in the morning while getting ready for work! Okay it's possible she was abducted in the nighttime as somebody came in with a key or whatever. BUt if that's the case, why drive the car later in the day? the only reason i can think why that suspect is driving her car is...

1.she was abducted while walking to her car or right near her car and the guy said "get in" with a gun or whatever blah blah and made her drive to some area where he held her, then drove her car to the complex. seems kinda weird though if this is what happened. why drive the car back nearby to her place? that's just risky. if the above scenario happened, he would probably have driven it far away in another part of town.

2.more realistically....Jennifer's folks at about 11:15-11:30 AM on the day of her disappearance call the management at Mosaic where she lived, asks them to check her place out, says she has not come in to work and they can't get a hold of her, they are very worried. A VERY short time later, about 15-20 minutes, suspect drops off JK's car. Suspect knows there is a large, crowded mall nearby, 3 minute drive probably from Mosaic, suspect thinks "no they'll search there first, it's a busy area, the cops would expect me to drop it off in a large parking garage with lots of cars...instead i'll take it elsewhere, don't have much time, just go down the street to that apartment complex and leave it hidden from the main road." Suspect doesn't know that complex, doesn't know that the security camera BARELY caught him parking the car (there may be other cameras but I have a feeling those were the only cameras in the HOTG) had he knows about the security cameras, he would've parked a few spaces to the right, then the camera wouldn't have caught him. Now if this is the scenario (and it's awfully strange that the car was dumped shortly after the Kesse's alerted Mosaic their daughter was missing) does this mean the higher ups in that complex are in on it? Does somebody hear them on the phone and alert the suspect, because he knows the suspect has done something with the girl? How many people know what happened? I think more than the suspect knows. I don't know if more than one person was invovled in the abduction, but I believe some people know about this person and may have participated after she was kidnapped or whatever. Or they just know what happened.

can anybody else come up with a reason as to why this person drove JK's car?


Why does this person go back to Mosaic? Okay it's possible the suspect didn't go back. I don't see how anybody can say the dog wasn't accurate that day. He goes right back to Mosaic. He had to have had at least JK's scent right? How could he just guess to go to the complex she lived in? What I'm not sure of is how LE would know what scent the dog picked up. The car was located a few days after the suspect dropped it off....suspect dropped it off tuesday the 24th, it was found thursday the 26th, suppose the dog was called in right away. the dominant scent in the car was still probably JK, she drove it every day. So perhaps the dog had JK's scent, this would make sense. Then there's no guarantee the suspect went back to Mosaic. If they didn't go back to Mosaic after all, that makes me think this is somebody who was only there temporarily, like a construciton worker, maintenance man or friend/family member of somebody who lives there. hmm work just being finished on her condo at the time of her vanishing????

Have the Kesse's or Orlando PD had any of the lakes searched? There are an awful lot in that area, in fact a couple in the Mosaic complex, but even all around the area, lots of lakes.

so many questions...

 

[Myserty64]

I can't keep up with this thread! LOL

Before I try to answer a couple of questions I will post these words Jennifers boyfriend said:

Nothing out of the ordinary. I`ve known Jennifer for about the last 12 months, and we talked periodically throughout the day every day, every night before she goes to bed, every morning before, when she wakes up. We`d recently just come back from a vacation, and we talked throughout the day on Monday, and then Monday evening, she called me `round about 10:00 o`clock. She was in bed. She was tired from the vacation that we had just recently taken, had a long day at work. We talked briefly. No problem at all. We both said we missed each other and we were looking forward to the next time we were going to spend with each other.

I know we have looked at this bit and even glossed over it before but.....

every night before she goes to bed, every morning before, when she wakes up.

We really have to think about this............when she wakes up.
Was that the routine? Calling him when she woke up?
If she wasn't in the condo to call him..................????

 

[SeriouslySearching]

I noticed that before, but very shortly afterward her parents said she called him every morning on her drive to work. I wondered if they knew better than he did? Doesn't quite make sense, does it? I thought it was a bit odd for them to contradict Rob. He would know when she called him every day.

 

[Myserty64]

Very good theories ES; I will have to think on them for a while.

They did search some lakes and I remember seeing video of that. If I recall correctly some kind of circling vultures drew them to one lake.

I might as well ask now..........are there alligators in any of these suburban lakes?

I think her car was driven to buy time which worked of course. If it was done to cause confusion, boy, that worked big time.

I always thought her car was used because she was abducted near to it or in it.
Maybe as left has said he knew her car because the parking lot had the same number as her condo.

This case has been a headache for a long time.

 

[leftcoast]

Enrique, Msytery

AS usual good job. Welcome to Trino

Thanks for that great quote from Rob.

Anybody know, who was the last person to see JK alive?

If Drew does read this thread, maybe, he will interject.

Anyway, I just have a gut on this. I'll share my theory after I make certain I have good shot at being right.

I have to be honest. When a case with this much publicity, pictures of the POI, the first thing I assume is that somebody screwed up, and passed over the real perp. It is the most logical answer.

I agree with enrique, it would be nice to get some basic answers.

With JK being so darn cautious, ya have to think somebody got the jump on her, or it was someone she knew.

How do we know that somebody wasn't hiding in her closet when she got home?

I am biased, but, I don't buy the carjacking, or taken at the car. Look at the NASA lady, look at all that can go wrong.

PLus, someone tried to enter her condo before.

Strange how fast LOgan sped to Jk's on Tuesday, as if, he had a bad feeling about his sisters's well-being. Most people would have spent hours on the phone with hospitals, friends, etc. Yet, the Kesse's took off immediately. TElls me a lot.

IMO, just because the car was dumped soon after the Kesse's called Mosiac, doesn't mean management is in on it. I'm sure work traveled quickly, and like I said, most, if not all, complexes have cellphones or walkie talkies to employees on the grounds.

Enrique, AS you know, I look for things that could be overlooked by LE. Heck, I don't know anyone down there, but, I look for holes in the investigation, or evidence. I beleive I may have found one which could alter things, but,I want to make certain it is correct.

OH, the restaurant idea has been mentioned, and is a good one. Especially given the time of day.

Does anyone know if JK would carpool? give someone a ride home?

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[Myserty64]

I agree SS and I might say you have posed some excellent questions too.

I would like to see an interviewer ask the boyfriend some pertinent questions if only to establish their routines.
Note to interviewer: please don't interupt; just let the person talk.

 

[Myserty64]

I think you are on to something left.

You know, there is something that doesn't sit right with this case. If this case was a person I'd say it was dysfunctional.

There is something that bothers me with some of the people around this case too. But I can't put my finger on what it is.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

I find it very odd, too...that none of her friends or family are on these sites. I was just discussing that with my sister earlier this evening.

Most 24yos that I know are all over the internet. They have websites, blog posts, and access to all of this. I can't imagine everyone that knew Jennifer feels 'forbidden' to speak out, but I find it so strange that not one has! If my daughter went missing, her friends would be all over these sites looking for clues, remembering her, defending the boyfriend, or just curious to what is being said about the case. (And they wouldn't do it quietly!) What about the people who went to school with her or was an acquaintance from work? Haven't seen them on anywhere either. As a matter of fact, I haven't seen a single thread of anyone stating they know her at all.

Drumstick~ Do you know why none of her friends are interested in sites who are trying to help find Jennifer?! Were her friends and family silenced, so to speak? Or is it just a fluke that none do? You seem to be the only one on ANY site and I know you are on at least two. It would seem that her friends would want to talk about her and the case at length to try to help find her. Have you seen anyone that knows her personally on any of the sites? Do you know her personally or did you just decide to help them out without actually knowing the family?

 

[leftcoast]

I think you are on to something left.

You know, there is something that doesn't sit right with this case. If this case was a person I'd say it was dysfunctional.

There is something that bothers me with some of the people around this case too. But I can't put my finger on what it is.

I agree.

I don't like it when information is held back. Do you want to find JK or not? Then release information, and the public will solve the crime.

I didn't like the way the case was handled. Putting fliers on people's doors is not a good idea. All you are doing is alerting the perp. that you found out JK is missing. Knock on doors, ask the people questions, then give them a flier. I know the Kesse's thought JK could be injured, but, in retrospect, the element of surprise is best.

I'll tell ya what bothers me

Where is the reward from Mosaic?
Where is the reward from HOTG?
Why aren't any friends on tv?
Why can't Rob do an interview alone?
Why hasnt' Jk's former apartment mate been interviewed on tv? "She is a bundle of information. Didn't she live with JK for years?
What about her former boyfriends?
Why did LE hold back that video?
Why didn't LE seal Jk's condo?
Did anyone ever do an experiment with the shower, to see how long the shower takes to dry at JK's?
Did anyone go through JK's garbage?
what is the scoop with her landline?
If someone in Orlando PD can screw up giving a classified tape to the media, then what else have they screwed up?

Call me a cynic, but, with a picture of the POI, all of this publicity, this case should have at least a couple of good suspects. Why doesn't it?

Maybe LE is stuck on looking for a hispanic male, when the POI is not hispanic

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[SeriouslySearching]

I agree SS and I might say you have posed some excellent questions too.

I would like to see an interviewer ask the boyfriend some pertinent questions if only to establish their routines.
Note to interviewer: please don't interupt; just let the person talk.

Don't ask Nancy Grace or Kimberly G. to do the interview! LOL

This is an excellent idea tho. Why not write a few emails *coughgreta* and see if you can get someone to try to get Rob to talk then maybe find a few of her friends that haven't yet been scared out of opening up? I would also like to hear from one of the boys there for the weekend with Logan. In your emails...write up a list of questions we would love answers to! After all, we have pondered this much longer than the interviewer.