FL - Jennifer Kesse, 24, Orlando, 24 Jan 2006 - #4

[leftcoast]

We are not seriously considering eliminating people that aren't chefs, are we?

wouldn't that be like eliminating anyone who isn't exactly 5"4.

We have to be careful not to make conclusions based on assumptions, or educated guesses.

I think we should use it as a "tool", and if a suspect, has employment as a cook, or at a restuarant, to look at him with a bit more enthusiasm.

But, I caution, coming to conclusions based solely on a black and white grainy photo. We don't won't to pass by a great suspect, simply because he isn't in the restaurant business.

IMO

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[CatLynnette]

Expert hired by news station enhanced the contrast of the surveillance camera images of the suspect and his conclusions are that the person is most likely wearing a hat and the clothing is light in color.

Link:
http://www.wftv.com/news/6912982/detail.html

Channel 9 WFTV.com
February 10, 2006
"The best hope so far is a person of interest captured on a surveillance camera near where Jennifer's car was found. Channel 9 brought the images to expert Dominic Levasseur. He was able to enhance the contrast enough to guess that the person is likely wearing a hat, rather than having a unique hairstyle. He also said the clothing is probably light in color as police first thought."

 

[leftcoast]

thanks Cat

I had seen that article before, but, I'm sure other's have not.

LE actually states the opposite regarding the clothes. . LE states that their own dark uniforms showed up light on the video. However, I agree with the expert that the POI has something on his head.

Yet, another reason why an experiment is a good idea.

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[rd_jfc]

Ok cat and left. I am totally convinced it is a cyclist. I posted a focused blowup of the head and the outline at the top is very rounded, just like a cycling helmet. That and the shoes are cycling gear, I agree.

The closeup follows the helmet shot.

http://www.justiceforchandra.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3033

I'd also like to pass on that a suggestion was made that this could be a messenger. And guess what. Jennifer needed to send a cell phone overnight that day. Is there a messnger service connection here?

rd

 

[leftcoast]

Ok cat and left. I am totally convinced it is a cyclist. I posted a focused blowup of the head and the outline at the top is very rounded, just like a cycling helmet. That and the shoes are cycling gear, I agree.

The closeup follows the helmet shot.

http://www.justiceforchandra.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3033

I'd also like to pass on that a suggestion was made that this could be a messenger. And guess what. Jennifer needed to send a cell phone overnight that day. Is there a messnger service connection here?

rd

RD Good job. You have an open mind.

It's funny, when this first started, about 15 months ago, me and another lady both thought he was a cyclist. We kind of got outnumbered, so I kind of put it on the backburner.


WE have quite a few different scenario's, but, in my mind, the bicycle theory holds a lot of water.

It explains a lot of things.

The "helmet" that I've always thought was on the head.
The pants, and how they are fitted to avoid going into the spokes or chain.
The weird 'bozo' shoes that are pitch black
The dog stopping at the stairwell, a perfect place to attack someone, or to lock a bike to a railing.
The dogs also liked the forest, just behind the area by JK's car.
Plus, it explains why the POI used Jk's car, and needed two times to park it straight.
Plus, the legs are so thin, yet muscular, whereas the upper body seems to be average.


Now, interesting that the POI is carrying an envelope (I believe he is). Could a bike messenger have gone to JK's to pick up the cellphone early on Tuesday or late Monday?

Or could the POI simply be a bicyclist with no ties to a "messenger service'.

I sure would like to know if the friends cell phone ever arrived.

I would also like to know what messenger services, fedex, etc. that Jk called on her cellphone.

Don't forget, JK could have called from work. So, I hope detectives also looked at her work phone.

good work. Let's hope this is right. I agree it is a long shot regarding a messenger service, but I think a cyclist is a much more probable theory.

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[Myserty64]

Dominic Levasseur; didn't this guy see what the suspect was carrying?

Does a chef go everywhere dressed as a chef?
Especially after an abduction, probable rape and more than likely homicide.

Ditto for a cyclist.

It's two weeks Thursday since the video was released. This case is cold.

 

[rd_jfc]

He does when he's working.

Problem is, a call to a messenger service wouldn't bring a cyclist to the Mosaic. But could a messenger have been hanging around the Fedex Kinko's down Orange Blossom by the UCF South campus? That's on the way to work for Jennifer.

Solves my problem of what someone is doing abducting Jennifer at 7 in the morning there.

rd

 

[leftcoast]

Dominic Levasseur; didn't this guy see what the suspect was carrying?

Does a chef go everywhere dressed as a chef?
Especially after an abduction, probable rape and more than likely homicide.

Ditto for a cyclist.

It's two weeks Thursday since the video was released. This case is cold.

I don't think Dominic saw anything in the hand of the POI. Who knows how much time he took looking at the pictures.

The chef is not my theory, but if he was on the way to work, why not? Who's to say the POI didn't take Jk to his house, do whatever, shower, change for work, dump the car, and go to work.

AS for a cyclist, yes, If you are riding your bike, and takeover some woman in her car, you can't leave your helmet behind. Plus, you are already wearing the pants since you're riding the bike.

have you ever thought that maybe the cyclist simply took JK to a deserted spot, did whatever, then drove back to Mosaic, got scared, found a closeby apartment complex, dumped the car, went back to pick up his bike, and away he went.

I don't think it is probable, but possible.

yes, this case is 'freezing"

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[leftcoast]

Mystery

You don't think the POI could be wearing a helmet? If not, what do you think is on his head? a hat?

What is your theory? Why use JK's car? Why the odd shape to the head?

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[CatLynnette]

I like the idea of the suspect being a cyclist and that he is wearing a bicycle helmet. What bothers me though is that I don't see a chin strap in the photos.

I also very much like the idea of the suspect being a kitchen worker/cook/chef in a restaurant. By the way, my husband also thinks the suspect looks like a cook/chef.

For now I am definitely stuck on the idea that the suspect was either a resident of the Mosaic Condominiums or else a worker there.

I wish that more information would be released by Law Enforcement.

 

[leftcoast]

I like the idea of the suspect being a cyclist and that he is wearing a bicycle helmet. What bothers me though is that I don't see a chin strap in the photos.

I also very much like the idea of the suspect being a kitchen worker/cook/chef in a restaurant. By the way, my husband also thinks the suspect looks like a cook/chef.

For now I am definitely stuck on the idea that the suspect was either a resident of the Mosaic Condominiums or else a worker there.

I wish that more information would be released by Law Enforcement.

I wonder how much more information that LE has to release.

I really don't think LE has squat. Otherwise, sgt Ring wouldn't have said, it is like a "vanishing".

Hate to keep saying it, but, that is why a re-enactment, with models wearing hats, helmets, hair in a bun, hats backwards, etc, would be such a huge help in this case.

Even a small break, such as a person who could be wearing a skateboard helmet, etc, could be the key to solving the case. Then, somebody remembers young adults, or some weirdo who used to hang out, and then one thing leads to another.

Same can be said for the chef outfit. If the pOi outfit looks like a chef, have a model dress accordingly, and compare the two. When you are stuck, the case is cold, why not?

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[SeriouslySearching]

We are not seriously considering eliminating people that aren't chefs, are we?

wouldn't that be like eliminating anyone who isn't exactly 5"4.

We have to be careful not to make conclusions based on assumptions, or educated guesses.

I think we should use it as a "tool", and if a suspect, has employment as a cook, or at a restuarant, to look at him with a bit more enthusiasm.

But, I caution, coming to conclusions based solely on a black and white grainy photo. We don't won't to pass by a great suspect, simply because he isn't in the restaurant business.

IMO

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No, I am not saying eliminate everyone else exactly...but they need to narrow the search down considerably from John Q Public and find the common link. I think it is a valid clue for a case that desperately needs one. This does suggest we are looking for a person in the restaurant business in a particular area (fine dining kitchen) taking us down to a few hundred instead of a hundred thousand. There are so many restaurants in Orlando and also the Culinary school (which isn't that far away and is on the bus route as someone pointed out). I agree looking for a person that is 5' 4" only is ridiculous, but looking at everyone no matter the size in this area would significantly reduce the scope. They aren't going to narrow it down any other way, I am afraid, since the lousy pic is all any of us have. They will have to go on reasonable assumptions at some point without any leads to find areas to investigate or give up. It wouldn't hurt the case to look in this direction and further check into it.

If he were wearing biking shorts, a helmet, wearing a shirt most if not all bikers wear, and the shoes were a match...wouldn't you be looking closely at people who ride a bike or is associated with a bike? Of course! You can reasonably assume it is clothing directly associated. This is no different.

 

[CatLynnette]

I wonder how much more information that LE has to release.

I really don't think LE has squat. Otherwise, sgt Ring wouldn't have said, it is like a "vanishing".

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Isn't there a few seconds of missing footage from the recently released surveillance video of the suspect parking Jennifer's car?

Possible DNA of the suspect from Jennifer's car would reveal gender and blood type of the suspect.

I would like to know if it is true that Jennifer's car was captured by a surveillance camera on the corner of John Young Parkway and Conroy/Americana that morning.

I would like to hear about the gym bag.

I want to know about Jennifer's suitcase.

I want to know if the guard in the guardhouse at the Mosaic noticed anything that day.

I would like to have information about a possible landline phone call the night before to Jennifer before she went missing.

I would like to know how many and what type of workers had keys to Jennifer's condominium.

I want to know the exact track of the bloodhound, especially at the Mosaic.

 

[Myserty64]

I have always thought he was wearing a beret. Perhaps some other type of 'soft' headware. It is possible he is wearing nothing on his head.

Whilst I appreciate the cyclist idea I don't vizualize the suspect immediately donning a riding helmet and even bicycle clips on exiting Jennifer's car.

I believe the car was dumped at HOTG because it was there. It was as good a place as any. It also achieved the aim of buying time and if it was to cause confusion, well, it did that too.
It has been suggested that the suspect didn't know HOTG very well.
He could have walked around the 'back' way and emerged on Conroy through the side entrance/exit.

The suspect could be from anywhere and any background. He could be an habitual criminal or a this could be the first and only offence of this type.

He could be a restaurant worker or a chef but he'd have to be mad to publicly display his occupation when dropping the victims car. If he was that stupid I would expect evidence of the crime everywhere.

Also don't discount the possibility she knew the person who abducted her.
The best clue for this is the picture of the suspect by the pool gate. Nobody knows who it is because they can't see him.

 

[Myserty64]

LE released the latest video under duress.

As much as we would like more I seriously doubt we will ever see anything else.
LE has to hold information back anyway.

 

[leftcoast]

Isn't there a few seconds of missing footage from the recently released surveillance video of the suspect parking Jennifer's car? Yes, I noticed 10 seconds are missing

Possible DNA of the suspect from Jennifer's car would reveal gender and blood type of the suspect. The DNA will tell if male or female. However, I would like to know how LE knows it is the POI's dna.

I would like to know if it is true that Jennifer's car was captured by a surveillance camera on the corner of John Young Parkway and Conroy/Americana that morning. I've also heard that rumor. IF true, then shouldn't the camera's have caught the POI walking.

I would like to hear about the gym bag. Me too. Why all the rumors, and when is garbage picked up at HOTG?

I want to know about Jennifer's suitcase. So do I. I also wanted LE to process Jk's condo, but that never happened

I want to know if the guard in the guardhouse at the Mosaic noticed anything that day. So would I. However, if the POI simply pulled JK's car out, and hopped a side wall, I doubt the minimum wage guard so anything.

I would like to have information about a possible landline phone call the night before to Jennifer before she went missing. Yes, it makes me wonder if JK buzzed someone in, or if the guard booth called. OR, did a friend of JK's call on her landline, from a pay phone. IF LE doesn't think the crime scene is Jk's condo, then why won't they release landline information?

I would like to know how many and what type of workers had keys to Jennifer's condominium. I don't think any of us can count that high. All one of them had to do is make a copy while working.

I want to know the exact track of the bloodhound, especially at the Mosaic.

Me too, with all the little items, why won't LE push the investigation by releasing the little items.

 

[Myserty64]

A reporter stated the the person in the video from HOTG is LE's one and only suspect.
I don't believe that.

 

[rd_jfc]

I added a picture of a bike messenger to the link from a company that services Orlando.

Note the white jersey.

rd

 

[leftcoast]

LE released the latest video under duress.

As much as we would like more I seriously doubt we will ever see anything else.
LE has to hold information back anyway.

Yes, LE does have to hold back somethings.

But, if Le does in fact have DNA and prints, why the need to hold back so many litttle items?

DNA and prints don't lie,

Well, LE has held back information for over one year now, and the case has gone nowhere.

What is the downside risk to releasing clues to the public?

Regarding the helmet. Of course it is unlikely. Who's to say the POI didn't have his bike helmet in the duffel bag, and put it on after stopping at HOTG, Mabye, he had a bike stashed on the street next to HOTG, or back at Mosaic. Maybe his transportation is a motorcycle, and he carries a duffel bag to carry his helmet. We don't know the answers.

there is definitely something odd on his head, whether it is a helmet, hat, beret, or just a bun.

This is exactly why models should have walked in front of that camera. To check the height, what was the most likely thing on the POI's head, etc.

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[leftcoast]

A reporter stated the the person in the video from HOTG is LE's one and only suspect.
I don't believe that.

Why not?

If the POI had an accomplice, why did he walk back to Mosaic, instead of getting a ride?

why do you think more than one person is involved?

If you do think that, then isn't Rob, family members, etc. still suspects?

Arent' the majority of rapes, sexual assualts, done by one party?

Mystery, what is your theory on this case?

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