FL - Jennifer Kesse, 24, Orlando, 24 Jan 2006 - #6

[SeriouslySearching]

Funny you should mention that, Left. I found another comment rather contradictory in the same article. By the way, this is one of the BEST interviews I have found. Go read it thru if you didn't. It brings up so many things we are discussing right now. The phones, the car evidence, timeline, and other things!

However, I totally disagree that the shower information isn't important! I think it does tell us that either Jennifer OR her perp were in that shower at a later time. It very well could be the reason the perp went back to the apt complex...to clean himself up! It could put him in the shower very closely to the time after he actually was seen dropping the car. Don't forget...they did not FIND the car for 58 hours after she went missing. He might have had NO idea they were already missing her at this time. He could be a lot LUCKIER than we think!

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0602/17/ng.01.html

DREW KESSE: Just -- when we arrived at her condominium, everything was totally in place. Actually, it looked like a maid had just come in.
~snip~
JOYCE KESSE:~snip~it was kind of -- you know, Jennifer was just home at Christmas. It was typical Jen, getting ready, rushed in the morning. You know, the make-up was out on the counter, the hair dryer, a couple outfits laying on the bed. And that`s why we are confident that she got ready to go to work, locked that condominium door, and from there, we have absolutely no idea what happened.

So everything was like a maid had just come in yet messy? Could that indicate someone actually "cleaned" things up, but left Jenn's things alone in the bathroom or on the bed?

LE also mentions: RING: There -- we are -- we are still entertaining the possibility that she may have been taken sometime in the evening hours on Monday.

 

[Enrique Sparta]

Shower Experiment

Time started: 12:00 p.m.
Conditions: Outside Temperature-83 Degrees, Humidity-80%, Dewpoint-76 Degrees, Inside Temperature-72 Degrees with AC on. Bathroom door open.

1 hour: Still wet on all surfaces.

2 hours: The shower tile on sides are drying, but there are still droplets of water on everything else and the bottom is still noticeably wet.

3 hours: The shower tiles on sides are completely dry, the droplets of water are only on the underside of the metal spout, soapdish, towel rack besides the larger puddles of water located on the bottom of the shower.

3.25 hours: No change.

3.5 hours: No noticeable change.

3.75 hours: Drops fewer and smaller on undersides of objects mentioned above, but still present. Larger drops of water still on bottom of shower.

4 hours: No noticeable change.

4.25 hours: Very few drops left underneath objects and a couple of drops still present on bottom of shower.

4.5 hours: DRY!

End of Experiment:
Time: 4:30 p.m.
Conditions: Same

Results: Shower completely dry in 4.5 hours.

This contradicts the Kesse's timeline. The shower must have been used around 12:30 p.m. or later and not 7:00-7:30 a.m. according to the evidence present when the Kesse's arrived at 3:00 p.m.

JOYCE KESSE: Absolutely. Absolutely. And our son does, too, because, you know, her towel was wet. Her shower was still wet. I mean, we arrived at her condominium, it was about 3:00 in the afternoon, and it was kind of -- you know, ~snip~
GRACE: But why would her shower still be wet?

RING: That -- there`s a bunch of factors that can attribute that. And scientifically -- unless we can eliminate those scientifically, we`re going to keep an open mind in the investigation.

GRACE: OK. Now, listen, I`ve put up a lot of scientific evidence to juries before, but I don`t see what`s so scientific about a wet shower. What science are you talking about?

RING: What I`m trying to explain is that I am not certain, by the time the police got there and the Kesses got there, the actual amount of water that was in the shower. And without us being able to get more information about that, it would harm the investigation for us to pinpoint specifically one time. ~snip~

GRACE: OK. You know what? I really -- I respect that. Why limit the time?

But I want to go back to the Kesses, to Drew Kesse. Drew, explain to me -- you know what`s funny -- funny, odd -- that sometimes a fact this small, this seemingly unimportant, could make such a big difference in the case. For instance, if you`re right that she was there that morning to take a shower and go to work, then that could totally rule out this guy walking along the sidewalk at a certain time. On the other hand, if you`re wrong, it makes such a huge difference.

Now, tell me what did you see in the shower? ~snip~

GRACE: Work outfits. OK. And in the bathroom, did it look like she had taken a shower, or had the faucet just been dripping and it was still wet?

JOYCE KESSE: No. There was water -- you know how when you splash it on, like, where you`d keep your shampoo, that sort of thing? There was water there, and as I said, her towel was damp.

GRACE: Ah! OK. And was the bathroom door open or shut? Joyce?

JOYCE KESSE: It was open when we got there, but you know, our son was the first one in the condo.

GRACE: The reason I ask, because if it had been shut, it may have kept the towel from drying out. I know these are small facts...

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0602/17/ng.01.html

reposting so nobody misses...

that's some nice sleuthing there SS. On a normal work day, JK must've took a shower at what....7 am? about then. No way should it have been wet at 3 PM

 

[UCFAlumni2002]

Towel being damp is very possible... water around the shampoo bottles, etc.. questionable. But the towel being damp- I usually am at work for at least 9-10 hrs a day. Most days when I get home if I threw my towel on the floor or if I hung it, it's damp. So it is very feasible.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

I didn't test the towel because there is no way for me to factor it. Without knowing the thickness, the brand, the condition of the towel (old, new, in-between), where it was left, or other things such as did she accidently get it wetter than normal by shower spray or a puddle?, etc.

I was strictly concentrating on the time the water remained in the shower itself.

Thanks, Enrique. Just trying to do my part here. : )

 

[leftcoast]

Funny you should mention that, Left. I found another comment rather contradictory in the same article. By the way, this is one of the BEST interviews I have found. Go read it thru if you didn't. It brings up so many things we are discussing right now. The phones, the car evidence, timeline, and other things!

However, I totally disagree that the shower information isn't important! I think it does tell us that either Jennifer OR her perp were in that shower at a later time. It very well could be the reason the perp went back to the apt complex...to clean up himself!

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0602/17/ng.01.html

DREW KESSE: Just -- when we arrived at her condominium, everything was totally in place. Actually, it looked like a maid had just come in.
~snip~
JOYCE KESSE:~snip~it was kind of -- you know, Jennifer was just home at Christmas. It was typical Jen, getting ready, rushed in the morning. You know, the make-up was out on the counter, the hair dryer, a couple outfits laying on the bed. And that`s why we are confident that she got ready to go to work, locked that condominium door, and from there, we have absolutely no idea what happened.

So everything was like a maid had just come in yet messy? Could that indicate someone actually "cleaned" things up, but left Jenn's things alone in the bathroom or on the bed?

LE also mentions: RING: There -- we are -- we are still entertaining the possibility that she may have been taken sometime in the evening hours on Monday.

SS:

Actually, a few pages back, I am the one who brought up the idea of testing the shower for water, and seeing how fast it dries.

I never said it wasn't important.

What I said, is that based on Joyce's comments, it's impossible to determine exactly how much water was in the shower, etc.

So, it's impossible to determine a timeline, based on the shower. there are too many variables.

Whose to say Logan didn't take a quick shower when he arrived, or he didn't splash his face with water, to freshen up.

Logan was the first one on the scene, he should have the best idea.

This is a perfect example, of why LE should have done the experiments with the shower that I asked for. Same with the fuel tank.

Whose to say the POI didn't return, and take a shower. However, I find that highly unlikely. It's possible the POi was in that condo, heard the knock on the door, and hid. Admittedly, the crew only did a real quick check on the condo, and left. Maybe, the POi was still in the unit, and was cleaning up the scene?

This all comes back to the old saying, "you only get one chance to process a crime scene".

Whoever, made the decision to not inform the KEsse's of leaving the condo alone, just in case, should be working the parking meter detail.

Come on, OPD. A single, 24 year old, blond woman, the prime age for being abducted, a responsible woman, and nobody thought to preserve the condo?

About the land line. whose to say that the POI didn't use JK's landline to make a phone call? Why are we assuming it is an incoming call, when it could be an outgoing call.

I just don't understand it. LE doesnt' secure the condo. Yet, they won't release the landline information. Why not?

IF the condo had nothing to do with the crime, then, the landline should not be a big secret.

this case should have been solved. I see a lot of holes in it.

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[docwho3]

To be more exact the experiment should be performed at the same altitude and same general latitude and preferably in a similar ambient humidity as the apartment of J.K. Meaning that if one does the experiment in the nevada desert or on top of a mountain the drying times may vary widely. Whether or not air conditioning was present and set to what temp might also make for different results.

I do think the experiment is a good idea though and only mention the variables so we can get as accurate a result as possible.

 

[leftcoast]

Ya know, I've made this comment a million times.

I think LE, was way too quick to eliminate that condo as a potential crime scene.

There is no way LE would have had the cell phone records in hand, when they decided not to process the condo.

Admittedly, there was no sign of a struggle in JK's parking spot, no sign in the car, and no sign in the condo.

So, who's to say the condo wasn't cleaned by the pOI, and the shower used to clean up?

think about it. You are the perp.

Which is a safer environment to overpower a woman.

A) Knock on the door, pull a gun, and charge her.

B ) Wait for her to get to her car, pull a gun, and hope nobody see's anything, she doesn't scream, or run.

obviously A), is a much easier environment to control. Look at all the BTK cases, he did them inside the house, not in the parking lot. He would break in, and wait for the women to get home.

I'll admit, the car is more likely, but, the longer this goes on, the more suspicious I am getting about that condo.

There are just too many keys floating around, too many odd things in this case, that make me very suspicious of an attack in that condo.

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[SeriouslySearching]

OK you said it was "useless", my mistake. BTW, Yes..you did mention it and that is why I did the shower experiment...to see what time frame we were working with on that.

Drew said there was water still splashed on the walls where the shampoo was. To me, that isn't useless information. It still fits into that 2 hour window of drying time. Logan would have mentioned had he used the shower instead of letting his parents go on and on about it on national tv. I don't think Logan has any reason to lie about it either. His sister is missing and he isn't going to stop to take a shower, IMO. He probably was out looking in the parking lot, etc. while waiting for his parents. I wish they would say what time Logan arrived and how he got into the apt.

I think it does change things as far as the perp probably being in her apartment. If she isn't answering her cell phone early in the am or her land line either (they surely called both numbers looking for her) after 11:00 am when the Kesse's know she did not show for work...AND someone is in her shower past noon...she wasn't the one in the shower. (Not to mention, it would put him there shortly after he dropped the car off, too.)

If the perp lived in the complex, he would have used his own shower and not risked going back to her apt. so it would eliminate that theory. Also, he wasn't around the complex that morning because he had no idea people already knew she was missing...which tells me he didn't work there either.

It also raises the question of did they find her house key on the key ring with her car keys or is it still missing with the other items? If they have her house key...he must have had another key as the management of Mosaic would have locked the door back after they did the well check.

 

[leftcoast]

OK you said it was "useless", my mistake. BTW, Yes..you did mention it and that is why I did the shower experiment...to see what time frame we were working with on that.

Absolutely. In a perfect world, we would know for sure, the exact amount of water, and where the water was located for certain, in the shower. Thing is, we don't. We only have the memory of the parents, who I'm sure, were extremely upset, and very worried at this point. Plus, the parents, even to this day, don't think JK was abducted in the condo, so, they probably didn't focus on remembering every detail in the condo.

Drew said there was water still splashed on the walls where the shampoo was. To me, that isn't useless information. It still fits into that 2 hour window of drying time. I wish they would say what time Logan arrived and how he got into the apt.

If true, it isn't "useless" information, but it isn't the same thing that Joyce said. Joyce said the water was by the shampoo bottles, which most likely is some type of shelf to store the bottle.

As for Logan, I guess that I assumed he had his own key. Think about it, how did he get into the condo over the weekend?

I thought it was mentioned Logan arrived around 3pm or so, and the parents were just minutes behind. If anyone has exact info., please share.

I think it does change things as far as the perp probably being in her apartment. If she isn't answering her cell phone early in the am or her land line either (they surely called both numbers looking for her) after 11:00 am when the Kesse's know she did not show for work...AND someone is in her shower past noon...she wasn't the one in the shower. (Not to mention, it would put him there shortly after he dropped the car off, too.)

If true, absolutely. Thing is, it is simply an assumption, not a fact. We simply don't know for sure. The water in the shower, could have just as easily been around the shampoo bottles, and thus hinting at an earlier shower.

Yes, this is why crime scenes are preserved, just in case. Sometimes, it is the little things, that can break a case, or help with the timeline.

If the perp lived in the complex, he would have used his own shower and not risked going back to her apt. so it would eliminate that theory. Also, he wasn't around the complex that morning because he had no idea people already knew she was missing...which tells me he didn't work there either.

I don't think we can make those assumptions. Truth is, we just don't know.

If he was in the condo at all, wouldn't he have heard the phone calls from RA, the Kesse's, etc, and if Jk had a phone machine, and the Kesse's left a message, he could have listened to the machine, to hear what is happening.

But, I still think the POi didn't hang around the condo during the day. It just seems awful risky. Maybe, he committed the crime in the am, dumped the car, came back to get is vehicle, and that could very well explain everything. That is why, a good investigator, NEVER, closes the door, on any possibilities.

Imagine, if the POI had used Jk's shower, talk about DNA. However, I think it is unlikely. One of the few times I've seen it happen, it was a teenager, and he was caught within a week. Of course, the house in that case was preserved, since the victim was left at the house.

It also raises the question of did they find her house key on the key ring with her car keys or is it still missing with the other items?

SS: I'm confused. Are you suggesting that LE has found JK's car keys?

I still wonder, why is the landline so important in this case?

It simply doesn't make sense to me, to not preserve the condo, yet, not release the landline info.

It seems obvious, that Jk used her cellphone, as her primary phone. HEr last call was to RA, on the cell. So, was a call received on the land line?

Did someone call Jk on her landline to lure her out of her condo?

What time was the first call on the 24th on the land line?
Did the POI make a call out, and if so, to whom?
Did the landline information coincide with the timeline given by the family?
Was the line cut?

Maybe, Le is simply not releasing info., that has nothing to do with the case. However, I find it odd, that LE releases the cell info., but, not the land line. Makes me wonder, when LE found out about the landline, and what, if anything, was on it.

We've all wondered about the timing between the call to management, and the POI dumping the car. But, who's to say, that the phone calls from the Kesse's, or the knock, and "quick" search of Jk's condo, couldn't have tipped off a POI who was still inside that condo. Unlikely, but possible.

The clues are all here, somebody just needs to put this puzzle together, and quick.

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[shwa]

Can anyone tell me how long a drive or how far it is to Jenn's job at Westgate to Mosaic?

 

[UCFAlumni2002]

It's about 13-14 miles... in regards to time, about 15-20 minutes dependent on traffic

 

[SeriouslySearching]

No, Left. I was asking if they found her car keys and house key in the car when the perp dropped it off. If they didn't find her keys then he would have had them which left him a way back into the condo. Maybe Logan did have a key, I don't know why...but I thought he was using Jenn's but it would have meant they "hid" it outside the apt. somewhere...unlikely...so I guess you are probably right. She had a copy made for him.

Since part of my experiment included water in a soapdish...it would give a good indication of how long the water would remain on the wall area where she kept shampoo, IMO. The wall/shelf areas don't usually have a large lip on them and drain fairly quickly tho. I noticed water on the metal remained longer than anywhere else and her shower was probably tile with ceramic or even plastic. Even if it took an hour longer...it would still put it in the 3 hour range.
I feel now that I wasted all that time for zip. Very disappointing. I guess I thought you were recommending someone here do an experiment as opposed to LE. Maybe if everyone of us did the same experiment, we could get at least an average out of it which would be fairly accurate. We know LE didn't do jack.

The calls or whatever happened with the land line could have to do with the night before from the way Barbara Jones kept talking about it early on...or at least it was my take on it...and the reason they were keeping the options open as to the timeline. Could she have tried to call 911 and didn't make it thru? Did she phone out for delivery food? There could be so many reasons for them not to release it, but I would think if it were a call to or from anyone...they have both numbers to trace back to and have done that...so wouldn't that eliminate calls in or out as a reason? I think we have to think outside the box on this one. Could be it was reported as being busy by her office and they found it was off the hook. The office started phoning Jenn soon after she didn't show up for work probably on both phones. It would raise suspicions fast if it were busy and the cell was off, IMO. If the line was cut, they should have immediately assumed something happened inside the condo and they did not. Most people in this day and age have voicemail on both home and cell phones. We do not use answering machines anymore. The perp would not have access to either to hear those messages.

As far as the POI hanging around during the day, you have to realize...he thought he had lots of time. He had just left the car (58 hours til it was found), there were no police roaming the area yet, everything seemingly was normal until family began showing up at 3:00 pm besides them doing the well check which he probably didn't know about. He probably was keeping tabs on the media and waited on the news to break after they found the car or was close enough to see the beginning stages of the search by LE. I think he would have felt perfectly "safe" in staying in the apt for awhile. He wouldn't expect such a swift reaction from her office and family.

Are you referring to the case of Dan's wife (the atty)? Yes, the teenager did use their shower, but he also left a bloody body out in the open to find, too. I believe there were obvious signs of blood etc. where he showered making it easy for LE to realize he was in it. It couldn't have been the wife with blood...so it had to have been the perp. I am sure there have been other cases which just weren't on Courttv for us to know about tho where the perp used the shower to clean up a crime scene or himself.

Frankly, there still could be DNA in that shower and the condo as a whole if they went back even after this long. Maybe they should give it a shot.

 

[shwa]

Thank you UCFA . I've always felt that the perp wasn't from the area of HOTG and Mosaic also that she was stalked.
In a city such as Orlando, people such as Jenn spend alot of time in thier cars, so with this in mind when would she spend the greatest amount of time driving? The answer to this would be her drive back and forth to work. Could the roads she took to work be this perp's hunting ground and i have to wonder if there are any other similar abductions of women who take these roads?

 

[leftcoast]

SS:

No, it wasn't a waste of time, at all.

Thanks for doing the experiment. I'm sure everyone here feels the same.

I actually keep on eye on my shower, since this whole case started. I also noticed how quickly my shower drys. Within 3-4 hours, my shower is dry.

I've always had a problem with shower theory, and your experiment backs it up.

I didn't think about Jk trying to call 911. I do know that even if one dials 911, and the call is interupted, LE is still suppose to check it out.

Calling for take out food, could be the answer, or possible the use of her home computer. Assuming, she has a home computer, and uses the phone line, to access it. I hope LE checked into this.

I wouldn't rule anything out, including this POI going back into JK's apartment after parking the car, before parking the car, etc.

Here's my problem with "old" detectives, close to retirement.

They have a ton of experience, and it helps on most cases. Sometimes, it backfires.

I'll explain why. These guys have seen a ton of cases, and tend to remember a former case, and how it turned out, and expect the current case, to turn out the same way. So, sometimes, they go into a case, with a prejudice, as to the outcome, and it affects their ability to think outside the box.


In my mind, this guy is most likely local, and the crime happened very close to JK's house, if not on the complex of Mosaic.

Some good thoughts about this, and I know we are close.

I have no doubt, that if this group, had access to the information necessary, this case would be solved. No doubt at all.

Truth is, IMO, Le just doesnt' have the time, to spend the time necessary, to find missing people. that is my personal opinion.

Le is excellent at solving crimes, but, not at finding missing people.

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[SeriouslySearching]

Would they have any way to figure out if she only dialed the 9 and 1...then was interrupted? If LE hit redial...would it show up on her phone's id or something? Yes, they would send someone to check if she completed the call and she didn't answer if they called back, but not if she didn't complete the dial. The idea of the phone being off the hook or the other call don't seem to be backed up by their investigation of her condo tho...which either one should have led to that immediately. Then again, OPD didn't seem to know which way to go in the beginning of this case.

You are right about old detectives, too. As I have said it before, they get into ruts because they get stuck on one train of thought and dig themselves in too far before they know they can't go any further. Which is exactly what they have done here.

If she had dialup internet service, it would have showed she got onto the internet...but didn't we see her laptop on the desk? If that were the case...they would have already had their answer by going thru her computer to know where she went and who she immed. For this reason, I am doubting it would be a reason to withold the land line info.

What are we missing? We have covered everything from A-Z in this case. If you don't believe me, go back and reread it! Amazing ideas, theories, and questions have come out of this thinktank. You are correct again...we most likely would have this case solved with the info they have to go on..because then we would take a different course! LOL

 

[leftcoast]

Anybody watch Dateline tonight?

Chris Hansen did a story about IPOD theft, and how it is becoming an epidemic in the United States.

Very informative.

First of all, I don't own one, don't care to. But, related to this case, it could be crucial in tracking down JK, since her's was missing on that day.

First of all, when new IPODS are purchased, they are plugged into computers, and the owner's information, and serial number are given to apple, and usually recorded by the computer used to enter this information.

According a NYPD detective, used IPODS that are stolen, are almost impossible to trace, since adding new songs, is not regulated, and Apple does not keep track of stolen IPODS, nor does Apple assist police in their cases.

So, it is very difficult to track stolen IPODS.

However, if JK's IPOD was recovered, and taken to Apple, they would know that it was JK's, as long as it was registered after she purchased it.

This IPOD theft ring, is usually prevalent among the young people, especially 17-20 year olds, and has even resulted in murder.

Months ago, I wondered why LE hadn't been pursuing this angle, and trying to locate JK's IPOD. I thought Apple would be able to track when new songs to added to an existing account, but, so far, Apple is not willing to pay for such a technology. At least, that is what they are saying publicy. Personally, I find it hard to believe that Apple couldn't flag a serial number, and record when new songs are added, the credit card, etc.

Supposedly, Apple is now under pressure from LE, and is applying for a patent, in order to trace IPODS, and require users to prove they own an IPOD, before they can add songs to an existing IPOD account.

So, in summary, there is no database for stolen IPODS at the current time.

IF I were the Kesse's, I still would try to follow this lead.

Maybe, someone in the ORlando area, noticed a loved one, with an IPOD, around the time JK disappeared. OR, the IPOD could have been sold on EBAY, or the flea market, and giving out the serial number, and asking the public to check their IPODS for Jk's IPOD, may be worth the attempt.


SS has asked, have we covered all the areas.

What about someone breaking into JK's car, or attempting to, and JK fighting back, and somehow being injured.

WE know her IPOD is missing, why can't we try to find that.

What if robbery was the motive, and Jk fought back? I know it is unlikely, but, why not?

RD: I've always wondered if the POI is carrying an IPOD in his right hand as he passes the poolgate. Is it possible, the thing you see around his neck, is earplugs, which connect to an IPOD?

THis case is getting old, and cold. I agree with SS, we have covered everything under the sun. Question is, just how much time does OPD have to work this case.

I've begged the Kesse's before, and I'm begging them again. Please, consider hiring a private detective. Even for one month, and just see how it goes. We need answers, and time is not on Jk's side, but the POI's.

Let's get this SOB, and put this case to rest. Whether the motive was the r word, robbery, carjacking, or all. Let's close it out, before someone else is abducted, and another family has to go through what the Kesse's are going through.

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[SeriouslySearching]

Maybe we need to go into private practice, get a license, and set up shop, Left. We could do a Non-profit PI firm to join along side Equusearch. They search for leads on the ground while we search for leads from everywhere else. Between the two groups, we could break open so many of these cases and bring people home to their families.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

BTW, the postal service won't allow me to talk to their postman. The only way to accomplish this would be to happen to see him on his route and strike up a convo. Since I have never even been to Florida and don't anticipate going anytime soon, this could be difficult. Cat, where are you and don't you need to find out about the price of stamps from some mailman somewhere?! LOL

The IPOD angle is an interesting one! I recall you did mention wanting those numbers early on and wanting to find the literature or box her's came in. Now we know there is a way to at least get the numbers. I think IPOD doesn't want to serve as a host to LE for that information knowing what the cell phone industry has gotten themselves into. I can't blame them entirely, however. Not only would LE be constantly after their records...so would the record companies and artists while looking for pirates. It would open up a huge can of worms for them.

The chance of finding one single IPOD would be a daunting task, but if they had the capabilities to track one through electronic means via downloads...they may already have their perp in this case, IF he was stupid enough to keep her IPOD.

 

[leftcoast]

SS

Yes, just about everything is traceable, even cash when the serial numbers are recorded.

Call me crazy, but, I'm convinced in the POI's right hand, is a white object, 4 x 6 in size. Could be large for an IPOD, but, they do have larger one's with LCD screens, which show pictures stored on the IPOD.

So, we need to know which IPOD model JK has.

Robbery may not have been the primary motive, but, if a person finds something that is valueable during a crime, they are going to take it. Plus, it keeps LE guessing as to the motive.

I doubt the POi would be stupid enough to buy music, and add it to the IPOD, but you never know. Most criminals think it can't be traced. Publicly, that is true. However, if Apple knows the person's name, or has the computer the IPOD was registered on, or the box with the serial number, it can be traced. Behind the scenes, there is no way that Apple is going to be allowed to not cooperate with LE in the long run. They have a responsibility to assist LE, and just like the cell companies, it will cost time and resoures, but, it is a cost of doing business. Heck, if someone was making "fake" IPODs, and selling them, IPOD would be the first one's to call LE, and demand help in tracking down the illegal IPOD"S. So, it's a two-way street. The FEDS need to put more pressure on Apple. IMO

My guess, is that the POI either threw it away, or sold it on ebay, or at a flea market, or to a friend.

Again, this IPOD thing points to a younger person. Us old people, just aren't into all of this new technology. IF the POI was older than 30, I would be shocked.

Is it a long shot? Absolutely. But, if the serial number is released, and people are asked to check their IPOD for the serial number of JK's IPOD, and a 10,000 reward for turning in Jk's IPOD is announced, you never know.

IF the person came upon JK's IPOD legally, ie, buying it from a friend, flea market, etc. they may just take the 10,000. My guess is, that LE is hoping the POI keeps the IPOD, and the physical evidence could tie him to this case. But, it is 18 months later, time for Plan B.

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Hmmm...what do you think this guy would keep as a "trophy" from Jenn? My guess would be something more personal. Was she wearing jewelry? I don't recall any mention of it. Some keep drivers license, photos, hair, or clothing...so anything else that you can think of? The talk of the IPOD made me think...he probably wouldn't have kept it...so you could be onto something there, but what DID he keep that would trace back to her???