FL - Jennifer Kesse, 24, Orlando, 24 Jan 2006 - #6

[Truthful Lies]

T.L.

First of all, thanks for offering to do this. Remember, you and your husband's safety come first, so, I don't want you guys to get in trouble, or jeopardize your safety (both are low probability events)

Anyway, the best scenario, would be to get the tape of you and your husband walking past the poolgate, from HOTG.

Since, this is unlikely, we may have to settle, with your hubby simply getting as high as safely possible, just underneath the camera in the peak of the poolhouse, that shot the POI photo's.

All I want to see is what someone who is a different height, but, the same distance from the curb, and time of day if possible, looks like compared to the POI.


For example, I have a feeling that your height, 5'7, will be a tad under the POI's height. But, until we see a comparison, how in the heck can we know for sure.

I don't want you or your husband to get in trouble, or risk falling from a ladder, etc.

In a perfect world, someone on the board would be friends with an employee at HOTG, who would allow these walk-throughs, and for us (me) to pay for a tape, and have the experiments taped, and then for HOTg, to give us the tape back.

Then, we'll have to blow it up, and compare to the POI.

thanks for offering. We're all here to find JK, and I think the best way to find JK, is to figure out who this dirtbag is, and then go from there.

IF I wasn't so convinced that the height is off, I would never ask anyone to do this experiment. But, with so many people, also believing the height is off, I think the experiment is well worth the effort. Of course, it is your time and effort.

left

TL AS the time nears to your trip to Orlando, and you and your hubby are still interested in doing this, any chance you could pm me, and I could write down what would be nice to see in the experiments. I know it is a lot to ask, but, trust me, it is greatly appreciated.

Leftcoast,

I appreciate your concern for our safety...we will be safe - I won't go alone. I didn't realize the cameras were that high off the ground...I do think I'll contact the administration, find the name of the person I need to talk to, write them a letter and then call as a follow up.

Maybe one reason i'm so interested is that my name is Jennifer K. also. Her story is important to me..not just because of the name..but because it could have been my best friend, my cousin, me, etc. I would not mind going at all...although my husband thinks I'm nuts (i don't care).

I will write the letter within the next couple of days and post it here so suggesstions/revisions can be made.

I have also asked my brother in law to go - he is 5'10. Should give us a good idea with those heights. We also have various helmets..my hubby is a big mtn biker.

I will PM you and RD, leftcoast. Anyone else that would like me too, I will, but will also post my progress here. I do not mind detailed instructions at all...it's better if we have a game plan and input from everyone so we cover all the bases.

 

[Truthful Lies]

Yes, and not only 18 feet up, but the gable is set back a little or inclined, it is not just a solid wall straight up and you go up and turn around.

So I hope that HOTG would take a new tape or two for their old one with your test reenactment footage.

Which brings up left's point, whatever funky things that thing does with colors won't be known without a test of that camera or type of camera. Of course if the type could be determined there might be some technical specs that would shed some light on that.

rd

I agree. Will find out what format their tapes are in and see if they're willing to swap. Will also do my very best to get specs on their camera.

 

[annemc2]

Wow rd - I'm glad you warned us about the spookiness of that face looking right back atcha!

It took me quite awhile to be able to see it but when I finally did... ((shudder))
it sure was creepy.

 

[leftcoast]

TL;

Sounds like a plan. The more people you take with you, the better. Rumor has it that HOTG is not in a good area.

As for obtaining photo's, the "best" scenario would be to get photo's of your hubby, brother-in-law, and you, via the HOTG camera's.

However, I must admit it is a longshot.

IF HOTG says "no", we can't use their camera's via our own tape, then, there is "no law" against visiting a complex that one is interested in "living" at someday, and checking out the pool area.

(AS a matter of fact, I know some people have visited Mosaic under these pretenses, just to get a look at MOsaic, and the grounds. It is perfectly legal. )

I'm sure someone lounging at the pool, would be nice enough to let a fellow resident who forgot their keys, to use their key to the pool area.

All we need is a few photo's from underneath the camera in the eave's of the poolhouse that took the "stills" of the POI.

Even though it won't be from the same height, we can still get a "rough" estimate of the change in height between the POI, and your photo's.

Here is a video from WESH that shows LE estimating the POI's height. Notice the "woman officer" who is posing as the POI, and view for yourself if you think she is shorter than the POI.

You can also see the palm tree in the video, where the POI is next to, in the third POI photo.

The actual measurement is at .30 seconds of the tape.

http://www.wftv.com/video/6885628/detail.html

thanks again

left

 

[drumstick]

I have an idea of how to help you in a "safe" way.

If you get a local member of the press to do a story on the public's lack of confidence in le's measurement, that person could assist you in getting permission for their story.

If you gathered as many people as possible for different height comparison's, you could almost do a parade of sorts around the fence where the suspect was captured on film.
Maybe the residents of HOTG would even help you with that.

Just an idea.... I want you to be safe.

Let me know if I can help.. ~

 

[rd_jfc]

Wow rd - I'm glad you warned us about the spookiness of that face looking right back atcha!

It took me quite awhile to be able to see it but when I finally did... ((shudder))
it sure was creepy.

It really is. Especially when you wonder what he is doing parking Jennifer's car and walking away. Back to the Mosaic? I don't know, but I would have hated to have been a real witness there that day and catching him looking back at me like that photo did.

rd

 

[leftcoast]

I have an idea of how to help you in a "safe" way.

If you get a local member of the press to do a story on the public's lack of confidence in le's measurement, that person could assist you in getting permission for their story.

If you gathered as many people as possible for different height comparison's, you could almost do a parade of sorts around the fence where the suspect was captured on film.
Maybe the residents of HOTG would even help you with that.

Just an idea.... I want you to be safe.

Let me know if I can help.. ~

Wonderful idea Drumstick.

Now, does anybody have any connections to the local press?

I know in my case, all I had to do was email a local tv station, and they immediately wanted to do a story about my research. I don't know about the press in Orlando. I do think it has to be someone "local". IF I lived in Orlando, I'd do it myself. But, I think the person who emails the news stations must be "convinced" and knowledgeable about the case.

I'd love for a local news station to do the entire thing.

Heck, not only could they get copies of the tape, but, they have the expertise to blow up the photo's, etc, not to mention getting press for the case.

Maybe RD can add to the list. Here's what I want tested.

1) Obviously, the height, using people of all different heights.

2) The sex. Can we tell the difference between men and women via that camera.

3) The color clothing. What color's show up light, dark, etc.

4) The headgear. Is that the POI's hair? What would a baseball cap look like? a helmet? a do-rag? Hair in a bun? knit cap, or chef's gear?

5) The items which may or may not be in the POI's hands. Will an item, such as a IPOD, show up in the hand, or an evelope. IF someone carries a duffel bag in that outside or left arm, is it visible through the legs, and behind the POI?

6) Can you really tell if a person is just wearing a plain old t-shirt, or a shrit with badge's, lettering, etc, like RD is suggesting.

7) I would like to test RD's theories, such as the holster, badge, and see if the person turns around by the tree, is this noticeable?

8) I want to see all photo's done at noon, and then maybe one or two at night, just to make certain the time on the tape is correct, and to see what a "night time" photo looks like.

9) On the POI's pant leg, can we have one person wear pants with elastic, and have another simply put a rubber band around the pant leg.

10) Can we tell the difference between white, asian, and black people via the camera, or does everyone look the same?

Obviously, these are the most important items.

I can't believe that none of the local tv stations have done any "behind the scene's" on this case. Greta came down and did a decent job, but, now that we know the POI is for sure the person who parked the car, she needs to do an update.

Question is: Does OPD have a suspect, and know his name, but, doesn't have enough to make an arrest?

Based on reading between the lines, I don't think that OPD has a clue to the identity of the POI. I wish they did, but, once they get a "good suspect", I believe there will be something, like a hair or print, to place him in that car.

imo

left

 

[Beyond Belief]

Getting the press involved in an excellent idea. Of course cover all the points of interests, but also make sure some cameras are running on the spectators, perhaps if the perp is still in the area, all the activity will peak his curiosity and he will make an appearance. Lots of interviews and getting the public to participate. Something needs to be done to get this guy to come out of the woodwork.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Since we have the one clearer video...I would like to see a video of someone walking around the pool from where the car was found. There is one point on that video which would be a good way to indicate height as well...using the fence post or another solid object to test against.

Don't forget to include the knit rolled cap in your experiment! (rolled ski cap should work just as well for this.)

You might try using a "bistro" apron in a shot, too. It is the shortest version which is worn alot by bar staffers.

I like the idea of getting the media involved as this would put pressure on LE to reconsider their height measurement.

 

[Beyond Belief]

Your really going to have to be careful, Foxnews was just talking about Orlando, some camera people and reporter were covering some activity this morning and got caught in the crossfire.
Well, maybe you ought to go to Fox for help.

 

[UCFAlumni2002]

The media has been very receptive in Jenn's case when you email them to keep her story out there, especially the local Orlando media. I can tell you that from what I've seen in the past, they approach the Kesse's before doing stories on anything that might be out of the norm for them. Local 6 and On the Record with Greta Van Suestran as well as John Cutter from Orlando Sentinel have all been very good at keeping Jenn's name out there. Also Fox 35 News in Orlando. If you can get the media, I'd be impressed.

 

[Truthful Lies]

I have just e-mailed Fox 35 in Orlando - we will see if they respond.

I have friends who are alumni of UCF journalism school...will see what connections they have, as well.

 

[drumstick]

Thank you ... let us know what happens.

 

[UCFAlumni2002]

[email protected] is one of the reporters for Fox 35 who has covered it.

David W McDaniel [[email protected]] is a reporter for WESH 2 (NBC affiliate)

[email protected] Kate Santich is a reporter from the Oralndo Sentinel who did a really touching story about the Kesse's and Jenn

 

[UCFAlumni2002]

Just hoping that with 18 months coming up on Tuesday that the media keep Jennifer on the mind's of the community, nation and world. We need to keep Jenn's story alive. AWARENESS is key and even once we figure out the height, etc we still need the public to help solve this.

 

[rd_jfc]

Ideally the police would revise their description of the height of the suspect and the press would have a significant new update to report.

Maybe enough independent information can be generated to encourage them to do that, I don't know.

rd

 

[SeriouslySearching]

One thing is for certain...this would put her case back in the spotlight for at least a day or two! How could the press resist someone going in and trying to redo what LE has already done? LOL

 

[rd_jfc]

Oh, and maybe someone would actually know about a potential person who could be in that photo that was well over 5'5" but...

rd

 

[leftcoast]

or, who's to say that this guy's name has been called in, but, LE passed on investigating him since he was a too tall, and didn't have a record.

I can imagine that LE was overwhelmed with tips, and they probably focused on people with criminal records, who are 5"4, and especially sexual offenders.

If this guy is a first time offender, or is taller, he could have slipped through the cracks.

Don't forget, this technically isn't a "homicide", although it has been assigned to the homicide division. IT is a "missing, suspicious circumstances", and I'm sure LE has plenty of cases to work on.

That is why I think it could be a small thing, such as height, or possibly someone 5"4, who slipped through because their alibi wasn't checked out properly.

I really think that when this case is solved, and it will be, it is going to be someone who is not a stranger to that complex, or JK. Doesn't mean it is a friend of JK, but, someone she knew of, or recognized. That wouldn't surprise me at all.

imo

left

 

[UCFAlumni2002]

I really do not believe that OPD discounted a tip because of height or no prior convictions. There are fingerprints in Jenn's car and they do not match anything currently in the national database. Same goes for DNA. That has been stated. Yes, I realize only one station reported it but still I'm 99.8% confident with the fact that they have it. I truly feel it is someone who has not been caught before- doesn't mean they didn't necessarily commit a crime before, but I just don't think they've been caught. I doubt OPD is dumb enough to sit there and go oh that person is 5'8- that wouldn't fit- let's not even check into it. I do agree that from all accounts of Jenn, she is really safety conscious, etc, so I don't necessarily it is going to be completely random but someone that she would let her guard down, even if just a smidge, for them to be able to take her.