FL - Jennifer Kesse, 24, Orlando, 24 Jan 2006 - #7

[drumstick]

The point is .......

Like Kelsey Smith, Jennifer Kesse did not live a high risk lifestyle.

The accused was unknown to Kelsey yet he hid her body in an isolated area anyway.

Jennifer was kidnapped from her home area. Not very many residents at the time and no one remembered seeing anything.

Kelsey was kidnapped from a high traffic parking lot at Target.
No one remembered seeing anything there either.

Imagine turning off Kelsey's phone at Target and see the two cases.

The difference in the two cases is this ...

One had good video and the other one didn't.

We can argue that Jennifer must have known and trusted her attacker
but we can see in Kelsey's case that might not be true at all.

It is highly possible that Jennifer was abducted/kidnapped by an unknown
person/s just for sex and no other reason, as in the KS case.

I just wanted you to see another point of view, that's why I brought it up.

thanks~

 

[Enrique Sparta]

yes I believe there's a better than average chance JK didn't know her abductor at all.

The security camera differences in the JK and KS cases are night and day

 

[leftcoast]

Never give up.

A few weeks ago, I mentioned the possibility of the Kesse's taking this case, the video of the POI, and creating a forum on myspace, to interact witht the public, and hope for a tip.

Well, it wasn't an original idea, as I mentioned that this was done by the son of a Chicago doctor who was savagely murdered in his office last October.

Well, I'm happy to say, that 10 months after the murder, the Chicago Police Dept, was able to make an arrest related to this case, which was just announced today.

According the the Dr.'s son, there was a specific tip recieved on the myspace page, as well as video not released to the public, and other information.

According to the press conference, the myspace forum, was an integral part of this case, since an important tip was received.

This is yet, another example, of why I believe it is important, to get as much information to the public as possible.

Many people, are afraid to call the police, or afraid the police will not take their tip seriously, or afraid that they may have an outstanding warrant, or be illegal.

Setting up a forum, in which people can interact, and give tips to the family, without their voice being recorded, or their phone number, is in my opinion important.

While it may not work in the JK case, how do we know this until it is tried?

Forgive me for being blunt, but, what is the downside to trying this?

IF LE truly has DNA, or prints, all they need is a name, and if people feel more comfortable giving tips over the net, then, why not give it a try.

All I can say, is how happy I am that the DR.'s family has closure, and knows why their family member was murdered.

BTW: The motive, was that the accused, believed that a drug prescribed by the doctor 4 years earlier, had caused him to be impotent.

And guess what, this man fled the country, right after the murder.

Obviously, there is a first for everything. Hopefully, his DNA, and prints, will be entered into the national system, to see if he is responsible for any other crimes.

That is why, in this case, OPD, and especially the Kesse's, need to keep trying, and someday, maybe a family member, former girlfriend, or someone, will have the courage, to step forward, and identify this POI.

I truly believe, that someone knows, or suspects something. Did anyone have one of their relatives all of a sudden decide to relocate, or change their appearance, or change in personality.

left

 

[Taximom]

leftcoast, that is wonderful news about the doctor. That was such a mystery. Would you let me know his name again so I can search for the latest info? It's been a while and I've forgotten it. Thanks.

 

[rd_jfc]

I agree with the larger point drumstick and ES make. However , I would like to point out the quality of the HOTG surveillance shots was just fine, it is that the face and front of body was obscured by a fence post in both shots on either side of the gate.

By the time we see his face looking back in the third photo, he is on the fringes of range of the camera angle and thus we don't have a closeup from that.

In my opinion, the closeup of the back of the side of his head in both photos one and two show amazing detail of a bruise around the suspect's neck, as well as clear detail of the back of his haircut under his hat. It is just that that particular view of a back of a man's head is not particularly identifiable.

The bruise however would have needed to have been covered up for awhile, and those who would have been in some proximity to this person through work or other exposure and seen the closeup of these photos would in my opinion be able to make a correlation, not to mention that the suspect would be heavily into law enforcement gear and this would be known by someone exposed to him.

But the odds that someone who had been in proximity to the suspect has seen my closeups to make such a correlation are next to zero.

In comparison to the Kelsey Smith photos, for example, I believe it was actually him in conjunction with his truck that triggered a correlation from someone who knew him as a neighbor, not just the photo of him walking out of the store, if memory serves here.

I have posted that photo as published in the news media (not a very good resolution) below my blow up of the Jennifer Kesse suspect's head from photo three, and even though it is a difference of a full frontal view directly in front of the camera versus an out of range glancing shot, it is not all that much better. Obviously it's better, but due to range and direction, not "quality" of the surveillance picture.

The face of this suspect when he is directly in front of the camera is obscured by posts, but his sheriff's shoulder patch in photo one and taser holster and baton in photo two are not.

And the bruise type marking around his neck is remarkably clear in both.

rd

 

[leftcoast]

leftcoast, that is wonderful news about the doctor. That was such a mystery. Would you let me know his name again so I can search for the latest info? It's been a while and I've forgotten it. Thanks.

Sure, it's Dr. Cornbleet.

Yes, it is wonderful news. We can never give up.

left

 

[Taximom]

Sure, it's Dr. Cornbleet.

Yes, it is wonderful news. We can never give up.

left

Thanks, left. I found the thread. I was surprised by the reason for the murder. I guess nothing should surprise me anymore.

 

[rd_jfc]

Wonderful news, left, however, coming at this time it was not the MySpace exposure but national airing of the video on i-Caught on ABC last week that would have triggered an arrest today.

It was the first I had seen of this video and crime, but I don't follow other types of crimes closely. Given that the person walked directly into the office building and into the doctor's office at end of day with a hat pulled over his face, it was clear he was intent on walking in and murdering the doctor. The only question was motive, and if there had been indications of extreme anger such as a failed lawsuit and subsequent correspondence he should have been investigated to start with, starting with finding out he left the country after the murder.

Exposure to people who know this such as ABC provided or on a site like this allows people to puts the pieces together, but they have to see it.

rd

 

[leftcoast]

I agree with RD that the haircut of the POI is obvious in both pictures 1 and 2.

It is obvious, there is a difference, in both color, and texture, of what is on his head, versus the hairline. The hair looks lighter in color as well.

In Kelsey Smiths' case, yes, It is true, that the photo of the suspect's truck, was crucial in identifying him.

The neighbors were not certain, until they saw his dark chevy truck, and then called. It almost seemed, as if they were hesitant to call, until the photo of the truck appeared.

Don't forget, in the Smith case, LE thought the POI was 6 ft tall, and about 20 years old.

He ended up being 5"8, and about 26, if my memory serves me right.

There is no such thing as a case which can't be solved.

Times have changed. We have the internet, CCTV, DNA, hairs, fibers, cell phones to track location, GPS in cars.

In my opinion, cases are like anything in life. YOu don't give up, and you keep trying new things, until you find something that works. This will be caught, it may take a while, but, he will be caught.

left

 

[leftcoast]

RD:

ARe you sure? I agree the timing is suspicious, but, according to the article below:

According to the news: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...bleetaug15,0,3471332.story?coll=chi_home_util,

Chicago Police issued a warrant for the arrest of this guy June 8th, which was two months before the tv show, "I-caught".

In addition, French authorities arrested the man August 6th, which was before the show was on tv on the 7th.

In the news conference, available on the web, the Dr. son, said it was a myspace tip, that "helped".

Don't forget, we don't know the tip.

Le had video of the guy going to a car, and his DNA, and other clues we aren't privy to.

Related to JK, something tells me, that LE has other clues, they are not releasing, and I wouldn't be surprised, if Cat's tip about other video is correct.

this case just goes to show, the families must stay involved,

Question is: Did this alledged murderer, commit any other crimes in our country, and when will his DNA and prints be entered into the national databases.

left

 

[Enrique Sparta]

I agree with the larger point drumstick and ES make. However , I would like to point out the quality of the HOTG surveillance shots was just fine, it is that the face and front of body was obscured by a fence post in both shots on either side of the gate.

By the time we see his face looking back in the third photo, he is on the fringes of range of the camera angle and thus we don't have a closeup from that.

In my opinion, the closeup of the back of the side of his head in both photos one and two show amazing detail of a bruise around the suspect's neck, as well as clear detail of the back of his haircut under his hat. It is just that that particular view of a back of a man's head is not particularly identifiable.

The bruise however would have needed to have been covered up for awhile, and those who would have been in some proximity to this person through work or other exposure and seen the closeup of these photos would in my opinion be able to make a correlation, not to mention that the suspect would be heavily into law enforcement gear and this would be known by someone exposed to him.

But the odds that someone who had been in proximity to the suspect has seen my closeups to make such a correlation are next to zero.

In comparison to the Kelsey Smith photos, for example, I believe it was actually him in conjunction with his truck that triggered a correlation from someone who knew him as a neighbor, not just the photo of him walking out of the store, if memory serves here.

I have posted that photo as published in the news media (not a very good resolution) below my blow up of the Jennifer Kesse suspect's head from photo three, and even though it is a difference of a full frontal view directly in front of the camera versus an out of range glancing shot, it is not all that much better. Obviously it's better, but due to range and direction, not "quality" of the surveillance picture.

The face of this suspect when he is directly in front of the camera is obscured by posts, but his sheriff's shoulder patch in photo one and taser holster and baton in photo two are not.

And the bruise type marking around his neck is remarkably clear in both.

rd

yes the circumstances of the camera in the Smith case are better, that's what I meant. The camera wasn't great quality but it was in color and the range and direction with nothing blocking the guy was good.

I wish the JK photos were at least in color.

left, I think your idea about opening up a myspace page is really good. myspace is very popular and those who might not have ever been to the findjenniferkesse website may have a myspace profile and it will get tons of exposure.

 

[rd_jfc]

interesting timing. He "learned" there was a warrant for his arrest the day before i-Caught aired the story of the son's search for his father's killer and aired the video.

I would say based on that news article that he was identified through the MySpace effort (the $25,000 to be awarded by the son to someone with a tip) and the i-Caught research and publicity was going to expose him to the degree he turned himself in and confessed.

So with a lot of help from the family and the internet, the police got their man.

Hope it happens again for Jennifer.

rd

 

[Myserty64]

In the Dr Cornbleet case was there a crime scene?

 

[UCFAlumni2002]

I believe so MM, and also, there was a body...

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Sooo...when is LE going to use the sonar equipment they touted before?!?!?! Hmmmm...guess when they said they were "considering" it...they meant just that.

"Say Chief...let's sit and ponder using this equipment which could find more evidence in Jennifer's disappearance!" said the officer to the decision maker. <<Hypothetical situation, of course.

I HAVE to ask this question: WHEN ARE THE KESSES GOING TO GET ANGRY ENOUGH TO GET SOME REAL ACTION FROM LE OR THE FBI?

 

[rd_jfc]

Based on my experience of closely following Chandra Levy's disappearance, I can tell you that the status quo stays the status quo even with polite followups. Chandra's parents met with the DC police chief six years after her disappearance, five years after her remains were found, to "get an update" on her case, and I would guess to get reassurance it wasn't a cold case.

In my opinion, if it looks like a cold case, acts like a cold case, and sounds like a cold case, hearing that it isn't a cold case from the police chief is somewhat meaningless.

But that's what they were told.

It's only been a year and a half in Jennifer's case, and her remains not found yet, just to compare.

And the Levys decided early on to have private investigators, who actually discovered most of the information that was obtained.

rd

 

[CatLynnette]

Some families can't face the possibility that their missing family member is most likely deceased. These families have entertained a scenario in their minds that someday their beloved family member will return home very much alive. Such families will never call on Texas EquuSearch or encourage searches because it goes against what they have envisioned. These families may not be ready to accept the stark reality of the situation.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

It wouldn't stop me from getting angry and getting some action or at least some hard questions answered!

 

[drumstick]

Some families can't face the possibility that their missing family member is most likely deceased. These families have entertained a scenario in their minds that someday their beloved family member will return home very much alive. Such families will never call on Texas EquuSearch or encourage searches because it goes against what they have envisioned. These families may not be ready to accept the stark reality of the situation.

Great insight!

In this case there is nothing to suggest that Jennifer might be deceased.
No messy crime scene or direct implication pointing in that direction.

If anyone read the search links I provided in an earlier post you saw that every area that can be searched was searched by over a thousand people along with OPD.
Where else would someone search?
Without a tip in a specific area, I don't see how any search group would be effective.

tipline~1-407-772-2162

 

[Myserty64]

Sometimes there are no answers.

Sometimes people live in denial. I don't blame them for that; I could very well do the same.

I do think though it would have been wise to to have tried a reputable PI.