FL - Jennifer Kesse, 24, Orlando, 24 Jan 2006 - #9

[drumstick]

I've been digging into the Developer and Property Management companies and associated names.

I noted that Millenia Luxury Condominiums had a financial interest in KW Property (per the property contract). The key contact for Millenia Luxury Condominiums is also president of a real estate development company in Miami. He has a son and they have partnered on other real estate deals in Florida. There are a number of both active and inactive corporations listing their names. I noted that they (and/or relatives) had/have companies established for painting, tile/stone, and landscaping. I wonder if those relatives and their workers were brought in to do work/live at the complex.

I have a bunch of info on this but not sure what it all means if anything - if anyone is interested in reviewing and helping me sort it out more, please PM me.

That connection to the trades is very interesting.
That could explain why the workers were allowed to live there and who was working there would not be that hard to find out if they were all connected.

There was a discussion early on about the landscapers. From what I understand, the landscapers were in fullswing finishing the vast amount of planting flowers and ground cover at the time Jennifer was abducted.

 

[Dejasade]

so, if her car was parked at noon, her nightclothes were laying around, shower wet, etc..she obviously got ready for work and left..so we are assuming she was abducted any time between what? 8 am and noon?
so there is that gap that we don't know where her car was...
I am wondering if LE has more info than they are telling us. Anything unusual in the car.
The DVD player...was that confirmed to be hers or not hers?

 

[UCFAlumni2002]

That connection to the trades is very interesting.
That could explain why the workers were allowed to live there and who was working there would not be that hard to find out if they were all connected.

There was a discussion early on about the landscapers. From what I understand, the landscapers were in fullswing finishing the vast amount of planting flowers and ground cover at the time Jennifer was abducted.

I agree that the connections here are really interesting... definitely interested in hearing more

 

[kemo]

I've been getting up to speed on this. There is a lot of good evidence but no suspect; or if there is, LE is saying nothing.

The fact that nothing is missing from her apt (and no idication of any crime scene in the unit) and the only missing items are things (like the phones) that that she would have taken with her that day, pretty much establishes that she was abducted after she left her apt.

I have been trying to find out when Security checked on her after her parents called. Does anyone the time this occured? If this was earlier than 11:50 AM, it is very significant because her car was gone. If the car was taken from her space any earlier than 11:50 AM, it would mean that the Perp had driven the car from somewhere OTHER THAN HER PARKING SPACE, to the spot he left it. This would mean that her car was probably used in the abduction and it was driven to the crime scene /dump site. The obvious explaination for the Perp's return to the complex was to retrive his own car.

LE has reported that Jen's gas tank was "about half full; about right for the distance she drove since her last know gas purchase", but this isn't good enough; The Police should have measured the exact amount of gas used used(and then retrace her known route) and they would have a pretty accurate gauge of how much gas was used/ miles were drive by the Perp. Hopefully this was done, they just aren't telling.

I have read one reference to the fact that there was some fresh "mud" on the side and undercarriage of Jen's car. Assuming that there was no know driving that Jen did off of pavement, this "mud" probably came from the crime scene/dump site.

The FBI should have been able to get a very accurate estimate of the Perp's height from the film. It took over 2 weeks but 5'3" to 5'5" is real short and LE should have been able to put together a pretty accurate "short list" of ALL workmen on that site who fit that description. They may not be able to track them all down (or even know their correct name). Workmen on site are obvious suspects but the Perp probably did not work the morning of the crime (he was doing something else). I would think that all short, slender men with ties to the site would have been checked out and poly'ed; any they couldn't track down would become high level suspects.

It is certainly possible that the perp was not a workman at the site. He could have been a resident/frequent visitor at the complex. The Perp could have known her from work or anywhere else. From what I can tell, there was no security gate if you entered the complex from Mellenia Blvd (an anyone verify this?) Anyone with ANY know ties to Jen who fit the physical description would be an obvious suspect.

It's entirely possible that they have a "strong POI" but can't make a case and haven't released any info. If they don't, it looks like this guy covered his tracks in a very effective manner and got away with it. There is a good chance he did it before and a better chance he will do it again. I think there is a good chance this guy is a budding serial killer and a real danger. These are the type of cases where it is worth investing whatever resources are necessary to solve.

 

[UCFAlumni2002]

I've been getting up to speed on this. There is a lot of good evidence but no suspect; or if there is, LE is saying nothing.

The fact that nothing is missing from her apt (and no idication of any crime scene in the unit) and the only missing items are things (like the phones) that that she would have taken with her that day, pretty much establishes that she was abducted after she left her apt.

I have been trying to find out when Security checked on her after her parents called. Does anyone the time this occured? If this was earlier than 11:50 AM, it is very significant because her car was gone. If the car was taken from her space any earlier than 11:50 AM, it would mean that the Perp had driven the car from somewhere OTHER THAN HER PARKING SPACE, to the spot he left it. This would mean that her car was probably used in the abduction and it was driven to the crime scene /dump site. The obvious explaination for the Perp's return to the complex was to retrive his own car. This has not been publicly released that I can find... I've always been curious on the last time someone saw Jenn's car there as well.

LE has reported that Jen's gas tank was "about half full; about right for the distance she drove since her last know gas purchase", but this isn't good enough; The Police should have measured the exact amount of gas used used(and then retrace her known route) and they would have a pretty accurate gauge of how much gas was used/ miles were drive by the Perp. Hopefully this was done, they just aren't telling. Her last known gas purchase was down in South Florida on Monday January 23, 2006 before she returned to Ocoee, FL for work, and then home after work. About half full would be about right from South Florida to Ocoee and then home (I've made that same drive many times)

I have read one reference to the fact that there was some fresh "mud" on the side and undercarriage of Jen's car. Assuming that there was no know driving that Jen did off of pavement, this "mud" probably came from the crime scene/dump site. Her car was normally not "clean", however my hope is that they did take samples of it and test it

The FBI should have been able to get a very accurate estimate of the Perp's height from the film. It took over 2 weeks but 5'3" to 5'5" is real short and LE should have been able to put together a pretty accurate "short list" of ALL workmen on that site who fit that description. They may not be able to track them all down (or even know their correct name). Workmen on site are obvious suspects but the Perp probably did not work the morning of the crime (he was doing something else). I would think that all short, slender men with ties to the site would have been checked out and poly'ed; any they couldn't track down would become high level suspects. The height is probably one of the things in this case that bother lots of us... I'm not sure if 5'3-5'5 is exactly right, but hopefully it's close. Jenn was 5'8 so its hard to imagine someone of the 5'3-5'5 height being able to overpower Jenn.

It is certainly possible that the perp was not a workman at the site. He could have been a resident/frequent visitor at the complex. The Perp could have known her from work or anywhere else. From what I can tell, there was no security gate if you entered the complex from Mellenia Blvd (an anyone verify this?) Anyone with ANY know ties to Jen who fit the physical description would be an obvious suspect. The only entrance to the complex is off of Conroy and there is no entrance (car) via Millenia Blvd. The one entrance is gated, and supposedly was guarded 24 hours however the guard didn't exactly take down the correct info all the time.

It's entirely possible that they have a "strong POI" but can't make a case and haven't released any info. If they don't, it looks like this guy covered his tracks in a very effective manner and got away with it. There is a good chance he did it before and a better chance he will do it again. I think there is a good chance this guy is a budding serial killer and a real danger. These are the type of cases where it is worth investing whatever resources are necessary to solve. That is the biggest worry in this case- that this is someone who is an abductor or people who are abductors in the community and who knows when they will strike next.[/quote]

Welcome Kemo... thanks for your thoughts

 

[Unsolved]

OK guys, I'm back over from the Caylee Anthony thread because I keep getting told from posters over there even though I pm'd a poster here with most of this that I should still put this over here for all to look at. Even though we're all sure it's nothing. Don't shoot me lol :bang:

Just in case! I'm going to throw out a lot of stupid things here, so if you have time please look through them

I wondered if anyone else thought these looked alike - look how high the heel is (right is Casey A):

I thought the walk on the surveillance video and the clips of her walking, and the heel and toe position in the pictures looked so similar. Not a picture here but if you look at the front foot on the video it also looks similar as the front toes are up in the air instead of striking the ground. The arm also goes back pretty far in both:

Her hair up under a cap:

She has a shamrock tattoo.
She is 5'2", close enough to perp estimates?

My musings are could her "job" have been to get rid of Jennifer's car, and then was she threatened? After all, we know she ditched her own car after Caylee's body had been in the trunk, it was even backed into a space.

Then I read this info on another website about JK with some info about clothing maybe being marked as a security guard of some sort, and that makes me think about her dad being one:

http://www.justiceforchandra.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3033

I'm not real sure about the photo the poster mentions on there about the suspect in his May 30 post - he mentions the Kelsey Smith(?) case, but then it also looks like he means JK case too?

Then in a total stretch and in a totally other direction, lots to read on this thread trying to see if any ties between this person and KC and toward the end it shows that this Frank M. person is also a licensed security guard (be sure and look at the strange fake weapon he makes, and also compare his photo in the 2nd link to one in post above) BTW notice in the links he was arrested in 2007 for impersonating an officer :

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=76169

http://www.newcougar.org/forums/transaction-feedback/123599-warning-fjmckeever-3.html

He claims no knowledge of KC, but there were 17 texts between them on one day....

Now I will now go back to the other thread and leave you all in peace

 

[Valiant]

I always thought it made sense that someone that knew Jennifer committed the crime somewhere else and the car was brought back to the area of her condo to keep suspicion away from where the crime actually occurred. But there are problems with my theory:
1) If she was attacked where she tried to mail the phone, how would they know where to take the car back? Maybe the return address?
2) If she had made it to work, the phone likely would have been mailed an she probably would have made her morning call/text to her boyfriend.
But I have a problem with the crime scene at the condo. It's just too neat to have happened there and not be a shred of evidence somewhere.

 

[cloudajo]

so, if her car was parked at noon, her nightclothes were laying around, shower wet, etc..she obviously got ready for work and left..so we are assuming she was abducted any time between what? 8 am and noon?
so there is that gap that we don't know where her car was...
I am wondering if LE has more info than they are telling us. Anything unusual in the car.
The DVD player...was that confirmed to be hers or not hers?

Her parents have said in interviews they believe she went missing between 7:30-8:00AM. Then gap until Noon until her car was parked.

I believe the DVD player was Jennifer's.

 

[txsvicki]

I have a question about the dna. If they have it, can't LE have it tested to see if it came from a male, female, and get the race of the person? The pics/video of the POI really bugs me, and I'm not sure that a worker is responsible. Unless the POI changed into clothes out of his norm, the saggy pants wouldn't fit with most apartment construction professions. There could be others to consider, such as someone who might have been targeting the other girl in the condo unit as well, someone from the mall across the street, someone who trolled the area looking for a victim, and even someone from Jennifer's old address area.

 

[kemo]

UCF Alum:
Cloudajo has answered the issue of when Security checked on the Car. We can't infer that Jen's car was used in the abduction but I still think it is likley was. If the perp used his own vehicle for the abduction and only moved Jen's car as a "red herring", he waited a long time to do it. The 4 hour time gap surprises me. I would guess that when an organized criminal goes about a caper like this, they would tend to work quickly and efficiently and would try to wrap up all loose ends ASAP. 4 hours after an abduction, people are bound to be coming around asking questions. I would think he would avoid the crime scene unless absolutly necessary. Of course, retriving his own car would be necessary. (It would be less risky if he had some reason to be parked there). I found an earlier post of someone (Beyond belief 2/22/06) who said he/she had a photo of Jen's car that showed more muddy splash marks than could be explained by normal Florida driving. The picture is no longer available however. That seems to be a significant lead.

The Height estimate of the Perp is probably pretty accurate. A few measuments and some basic geometric calculations should have provided the Perp's height. 5'3"-5'5" is very short for a man (and the figure IS a man) I have looked around in groups of people and any man that short stands out. Most men that short tend to be rather "stocky" (particularly latins). Our guy is short but rather slender; a fairly rare body type. I wonder if there is any way to screen current inmates by "hieght".

Cloudajo:
Thanks for the info.

Txsvicki:
I've heard of DNA being used to identify race but "latin" isn't a race. The guy appears to be "white"; ie light complected. The DNA will probably verify this but it won't help LE much. The clothes don't appear to fit a construction worker but, he was not at work that morning. He was probably wearing casual "day off" clothing. That sure looks like a hat (really a "cap") he is wearing. The FBI must know for sure. If it is a cap, he probably wore it often and it would help ID him. I'll bet LE went around the complex, the neighborhood, the mall and anywhere that Jen had ties to, looking for and asking about short slender men. I'm surprised they didn't find him.

 

[CanManEh]

If you werent familliar with the area where are you gonna go in what 4 hours time pariod i mean you wouldnt have time to really get rid of any body if u were a foreiner just there to work they would have found her dumped somewhere it seems to me that who ever did it must of hald on to her for some time before disposing of her body otherwise i think we would have found her by now...

 

[cloudajo]

I have a question about the dna. If they have it, can't LE have it tested to see if it came from a male, female, and get the race of the person? The pics/video of the POI really bugs me, and I'm not sure that a worker is responsible. Unless the POI changed into clothes out of his norm, the saggy pants wouldn't fit with most apartment construction professions. There could be others to consider, such as someone who might have been targeting the other girl in the condo unit as well, someone from the mall across the street, someone who trolled the area looking for a victim, and even someone from Jennifer's old address area.

Hello, just a comment on the suspect's clothes and workers. I did note that in the 48 Hours show, it looks like they did some filming at the Mosaic complex, and a couple of workers are shown. One worker is wearing what I think looks similar to the suspect clothing - white t-shirt, khaki pants. I'm not saying the pic is the suspect, I just noted that the clothing of the worker shown was similar if you compare side by side. IMO.

48 Hours, Part 2
Start at 6 minutes in when they talk about remodeling at the complex and show a few workers.
http://www.jenniferkesse.com/48hours.htm

 

[Dejasade]

Her parents have said in interviews they believe she went missing between 7:30-8:00AM. Then gap until Noon until her car was parked.

I believe the DVD player was Jennifer's.

~ Thank you for the response!!

Im still going w/ one of the workers...he probably isn't in the area anymore.

 

[UCFAlumni2002]

If you werent familliar with the area where are you gonna go in what 4 hours time pariod i mean you wouldnt have time to really get rid of any body if u were a foreiner just there to work they would have found her dumped somewhere it seems to me that who ever did it must of hald on to her for some time before disposing of her body otherwise i think we would have found her by now...

Just because you were not from the area doesn't mean you don't know the area...

 

[lilacwine]

Especially if it was pre-meditated...

and I find it hard to believe that she had someone trying her doorknob one night.. and then disappears soon after...

and not be pre-meditated

 

[UCFAlumni2002]

Definitely premediated in my book

 

[lilacwine]

Wouldn't it be great.. if youtube had the video of the POI on its homepage?

So many people hit that site daily... I wish they'd partner to feature things like this so we can bring people like Jennifer home to her family.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

There was no investigation done on the inside of Jenn's apartment largely due to the statements of the family. I feel this was a serious error on LE's part. She was last known to be alive INSIDE the apartment when talking to Rob. The investigation should have started from that point forward, imo.

We do not know if the perp made his way into the apartment at any point. The abduction could have taken place and a sexual assault could have occurred while inside. No investigation was done to determine if there were bodily fluids, fingerprints, DNA, or other evidence present on the interior of her apartment/condo. There are not always indications of struggle to determine these things have taken place.

Her camera, laptop, and other things were not checked by LE which is another serious error.

 

[UCFAlumni2002]

In just 4 short days, it will be 3 years since this hellish ordeal began. Please keep Jenn, the Kesse Family, and friends in your thoughts and prayers as they deal with yet another sad milestone in this tragic nightmare. Thanks

 

[Imajica]

In just 4 short days, it will be 3 years since this hellish ordeal began. Please keep Jenn, the Kesse Family, and friends in your thoughts and prayers as they deal with yet another sad milestone in this tragic nightmare. Thanks

I know, it's incredibly hard to believe it been so long without a single peep of information about Jennifer's whereabouts. It hurts my heart to think about her smiling beautiful face, with her whole life ahead of her, out there somewhere alone.

I keep Jennifer and her family in my nightly prayers, and I send extra tight hugs and kind thoughts your way for working so long and hard to keep Jennifer's case in the forefront of everyone's minds. My deepest wish is that 2009 brings some resolution to Jennifer's case, so that her family and friends can have the answers they so dearly deserve.

*hugs & prayers*

:blowkiss: