FL - Jennifer Kesse, 24, Orlando, 24 Jan 2006 - #9

[lilacwine]

I'm sure this link was posted in a previous thread....

but the story of Melissa Toot is what I find interesting

http://www.wesh.com/news/6876332/detail.html

 

[Salem]

Did the police follow up on the pings of her cell phone when Rob and her parents left voice mails to see where the phone was?

Salem

 

[lilacwine]

I read they tried to ping it but no success.

I believe that if the phone is off.. you don't get a ping. And let's face it.. every phone I've had if it goes right to voicemail it's either off or I reject the call. I suspect in her case.. the phone was off

 

[UCFAlumni2002]

I believe that LE does have ping info from the last time that Jenn's phone pinged, however have not released to the public.

Jenn's parents have said that in all the time Jenn has had a cell phone, it never directly went to voicemail until that fateful Jan morning.

 

[Salem]

I would sure like to know where the last place she pinged was..... It seems to me, and I could be wrong, that KC's phone pinged even when she didn't answer it, but that does not necessarily mean it was turned off...

Time and location of that last ping could be important, especially if it was Rod's call on that Jan morning. Maybe the Kesse's could push to get that information? Are they using a PI to help in the search for Jen or are they relying on LE and themselves, other family, friends, etc.?

Salem

 

[UCFAlumni2002]

Your phone pings when it is on. When it is off, it does not ping. Jenn's phone never was off (typically). That information would be fantastic, but I'm sure if they had that information that they are not going to release that to the general public.

 

[lilacwine]

So the abductor had the presence of mind to turn off the cell. Once again that leads me away from the transient worker. Almost 3 years ago how many people were aware enough about pings on a cell to turn it off?


Question... Did Jen turn her phone off when she charged it? (I don't but many do)

Could she have not turned it back on yet? She was on vacation and spent the night at Rob's and had it on all day and talked on it until 10:00 (assuming she wasn't talking to Rob on her landline) perhaps her phone needed a good charge.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

I thought I would also mention during investigating this case the first time, we found on one of those website pages where people rate their complex...the tenents of the prior management stated that several burglaries had been carried out with someone who had a "passkey". If the locks had not been changed...this would be another red flag to me.

 

[UCFAlumni2002]

So the abductor had the presence of mind to turn off the cell. Once again that leads me away from the transient worker. Almost 3 years ago how many people were aware enough about pings on a cell to turn it off?


Question... Did Jen turn her phone off when she charged it? (I don't but many do)

Could she have not turned it back on yet? She was on vacation and spent the night at Rob's and had it on all day and talked on it until 10:00 (assuming she wasn't talking to Rob on her landline) perhaps her phone needed a good charge.

I truly don't believe that she turned off her phone. I know I never do and charge it nightly.

 

[lilacwine]

I thought I would also mention during investigating this case the first time, we found on one of those website pages where people rate their complex...the tenents of the prior management stated that several burglaries had been carried out with someone who had a "passkey". If the locks had not been changed...this would be another red flag to me.

I came up with that too.. and that's why I wondered if she surprised them.

 

[lilacwine]

I truly don't believe that she turned off her phone. I know I never do and charge it nightly.

Another possibilty could be that an abductor would take it and shut it off just in case Jen got to the phone (slow down a distress call...)

 

[drumstick]

I thought I would also mention during investigating this case the first time, we found on one of those website pages where people rate their complex...the tenents of the prior management stated that several burglaries had been carried out with someone who had a "passkey". If the locks had not been changed...this would be another red flag to me.

Yes, and that Jennifer had made mention of someone trying her lock, rattling her door knob one night while she was home.

Her locks were never changed. Plus she had workers in and out of her condo over those two months. They would know her schedule and routine.
But they would also know that she had nothing in that condo of real value to steal. It was furnished bare bones and did not flash of any sense of wealth.
I don't think it was a robbery gone bad. No record of her bank card or any other cards being used.

I'm confused about the Sunshine Law and Jen's phone records.

Why hasn't a media outlet requested and published those records like we've seen in other cases?

Wouldn't LE know exactly what time her cell phone stopped pinging?

 

[lilacwine]

Even if they weren't intending to rob her... what if they were intending to rob the neighbor's condo (who was away) and she saw something...They could have also been storing stuff in abandoned apartments or something.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Great question about the Doc dump, but there is no reason for the OPD to file anything which the media would have access to receive since there is no suspect etc. The reason we are seeing it in the other case is due to there being a defendant and motions being filed.

Everything here is strictly within the ongoing investigation guidelines which we would not be privy to even with a doc dump.

 

[Drivenon]

Great timeline!

I'd like to suggest that the workers possibly started at 8:00 AM and stopped at 5:00 PM with a lunch break at 12:00-1:00 PM.

The workers living at the complex may have been up and around prior to the start work hour.

The neighbor lady walking her dog that morning gave a statement but it was never made public.

Also the young lady who lived upstairs was wisked away immediately by her father and moved back to her home State days after Jen was abducted.

Interesting that the well check call was made after 11:00 AM that morning and the word went out among the management and security to look for Jen or her car.
We know the car was parked at noon that same day.
Could it be just a coincidence?
Or could it be they were caught offguard not realizing people would look for her so quickly?

Where was her car until it was parked at noon?

Great thoughts, were any of the tenants questioned in spots near Jenn's as to whether or not her car was there in the am?

Do you know what the dog walking lady told investigators?

 

[Drivenon]

Yes, and that Jennifer had made mention of someone trying her lock, rattling her door knob one night while she was home.

Her locks were never changed. Plus she had workers in and out of her condo over those two months. They would know her schedule and routine.
But they would also know that she had nothing in that condo of real value to steal. It was furnished bare bones and did not flash of any sense of wealth.
I don't think it was a robbery gone bad. No record of her bank card or any other cards being used.

I'm confused about the Sunshine Law and Jen's phone records.

Why hasn't a media outlet requested and published those records like we've seen in other cases?

Wouldn't LE know exactly what time her cell phone stopped pinging?

DO we have a date on when her door/lock was tried? I find that astounding and did not know that. The active investigation docs would not be applicalble to PI law, but unless there is something on the cell phone records, which would of course indicate it may have been someone she knew, they would probably be releasable if requested, that drives me nuts that no-one has tried.

I do not believe that robbery was a motive here either.

 

[Myserty64]

Truthful Lies,

I'm sorry I missed your post four or five pages back. There was no need for apologies but it was nice of you anyway.

I don't believe any of us know much about this case at all.
We are amost three years on from the abduction and it's still the same information being rehashed over and over.

There is still confusion about any evidence from Jennifer's car. On a TV show one detective stated outright there was no evidence from the car. Nothing.
Then we hear there is a fingerprint and DNA.
What is the truth.

LE seem to think the POI was dressed as a painter. If this was the case I wonder if Jennifer's condo needed any re-painting. Were the painters local residents or were they illegals?
Were many painters living in 'empty' condos at Mosaic?

 

[Beyond Belief]

I have been lurking here, so I need to comment abt the "painter" clothing. This is the first time I have heard that. I guess I missed it someplace..

 

[Drivenon]

I believe that LE does have ping info from the last time that Jenn's phone pinged, however have not released to the public.

Jenn's parents have said that in all the time Jenn has had a cell phone, it never directly went to voicemail until that fateful Jan morning.

I would agree, and am hopeful they do, but in a cold case scenario, where there are no new leads in 18 months+, it had better be inconclusive or within the appropriate radius margin of error.

 

[Myserty64]

You are right Beyond Belief because the 'painter' reference is a tad obscure. Perhaps I was drawing a long bow with this but on the 48 Hours documentary shown last year Police Sgt. Roger Brennan said:

'.....the clothing looks to be, maybe someone who is a painter or some type of worker.'

At least we got a teeny tiny clue as to what LE might be thinking.

On the same show Detective Joel Wright said 'in 21 years of law enforcement this is the most difficult case I have been involved in.'

Right back near the beginning of the investigation the then lead detective; Detective Ring said 'this is as close to a vanishing as I have seen.'

One would have to think this is going to be one tough case to solve. The case is three years old and counting.