FL - Jennifer Kesse, 24, Orlando, 24 Jan 2006 - #9

[Myserty64]

Was there really evidence from Jennifer's car?
When the 48 Hours special screened it featured the cases of Tara Grinstead and Jennifer Kesse.

In Tara's case much was made of new information regarding a latex glove and the male DNA and fingerprint the glove yielded. And rightly so because that evidence means there is a good chance that case can be solved.

In Jennifer's segment there was no mention of any DNA evidence.
Furthermore, with reference to her car the voiceover stated:

'...........no indentifiable finger prints except for Jennifer's...........'

What does this mean?
Is there no evidence from the car?

Is the only reference we have for evidence from her car mere 'hear say'?

It was stated that the 'best evidence at this point is the grainy pictures of the POI at the pool gate.'

Where is the DNA?

 

[cloudajo]

Was there really evidence from Jennifer's car?
When the 48 Hours special screened it featured the cases of Tara Grinstead and Jennifer Kesse.

In Tara's case much was made of new information regarding a latex glove and the male DNA and fingerprint the glove yielded. And rightly so because that evidence means there is a good chance that case can be solved.

In Jennifer's segment there was no mention of any DNA evidence.
Furthermore, with reference to her car the voiceover stated:

'...........no indentifiable finger prints except for Jennifer's...........'

What does this mean?
Is there no evidence from the car?

Is the only reference we have for evidence from her car mere 'hear say'?

It was stated that the 'best evidence at this point is the grainy pictures of the POI at the pool gate.'

Where is the DNA?

I saw that in the 48 Hours program too. However, in May 2007, at the same time they released info at a news conference that POI was actually driving car and was a suspect, it was reported that they had a fingerprint and "possible" DNA but no matches yet. I couldn't find tape of the actual news conference with Orlando police, only an edited version of Drew introducing the video of suspect. I think Drew confirmed this in another interview as well but I can't find it at the moment.

May 17, 2007

• LE announces publicly that person previously identified as a “Person of Interest” is actually a “Suspect” and confirms full video showed him driving Jennifer’s car. (They hoped the person they identified only as "a person of interest" previously might come forward if he or she didn't know police had video of the car being parked.)
• Orlando police have fingerprint and possible DNA evidence from inside Jennifer Kesse's car. But so far that evidence does not match anyone in criminal databases (see References for video) (Note: News anchor on video says “Cops say the have found a fingerprint and possible DNA from the person in the video” e.g., the suspect.)
• Fox35 article and video here: http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/p...n=6&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=VSTY&pageId=1.1.1

 

[Myserty64]

I remember that too cloudajo. I'm glad you mentioned 'possible DNA' because I thought 'possible' was used too.
That term bothers me a bit because I wonder what 'possible DNA' is.
It doesn't sound too convincing.

The late 'leftcoast' who posted a lot on this case often asked......'if they have found DNA how do they know it belongs to the suspect?'

It was a good question then and it's a good question now.

 

[drumstick]

I remember that too cloudajo. I'm glad you mentioned 'possible DNA' because I thought 'possible' was used too.
That term bothers me a bit because I wonder what 'possible DNA' is.
It doesn't sound too convincing.

The late 'leftcoast' who posted a lot on this case often asked......'if they have found DNA how do they know it belongs to the suspect?'

It was a good question then and it's a good question now.

I'm hoping they have tested DNA results and fingerprints from anyone who would have had legitimate access to Jennifer's car, (Family-Friends) and ruled them out.
That would be the only way to know if the DNA and fingerprint came from a stranger. Rule out the obvious.

~

 

[UCFAlumni2002]

In the most recent interviews- Dec 22, 2008 and Dec 24, 2008, there is mention of a latent print that has yet to match anything in the system and there is mention of DNA that has yet to match anything in the system.... will edit momentarily to include links

Added: CNN PRIME NEWS UNSOLVED CASES from Dec. 24, 2008
Part 1 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xomIl8Hyy64

Part 2 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6nXgUEE73M

Added:
http://www.mysuncoast.com/Global/story.asp?S=9568791

when clicking on this link, there is video of the Kesse interview that is 23 minutes long- it is a good watch and suggest everyone do so. thanks

 

[lilacwine]

Depending on where the DNA was found and what type of DNA it is... it might be possible to connect it to the last person who drove the car.

Example today... I broke a nail and it got caught in the ignition...I'm not suggesting they have anything that obvious... but if it was a fluid... or depending where it was found....I think it's possible.

 

[UCFAlumni2002]

Depending on where the DNA was found and what type of DNA it is... it might be possible to connect it to the last person who drove the car.

Example today... I broke a nail and it got caught in the ignition...I'm not suggesting they have anything that obvious... but if it was a fluid... or depending where it was found....I think it's possible.

I agree

 

[Drivenon]

You are right Beyond Belief because the 'painter' reference is a tad obscure. Perhaps I was drawing a long bow with this but on the 48 Hours documentary shown last year Police Sgt. Roger Brennan said:

'.....the clothing looks to be, maybe someone who is a painter or some type of worker.'

At least we got a teeny tiny clue as to what LE might be thinking.

On the same show Detective Joel Wright said 'in 21 years of law enforcement this is the most difficult case I have been involved in.'

Right back near the beginning of the investigation the then lead detective; Detective Ring said 'this is as close to a vanishing as I have seen.'

One would have to think this is going to be one tough case to solve. The case is three years old and counting.

Good observations and I agree, I also heard the lead investigator on Tara's case say that the Det. for Jenn's case feel that her abduction was more of a "stranger abduction", following their presentation to them; I sincerely hope there is alot of info we do not know about this case that leads them to that, because from where I sit, a known offender cannot be ruled out. There has not been a development in this case really since day one (they had the tape from day one) except for the Kesse's finding of images on Jenn's camera.

Can anyone tell me why the FBI has not taken a more active role in this case?

 

[cloudajo]

In the most recent interviews- Dec 22, 2008 and Dec 24, 2008, there is mention of a latent print that has yet to match anything in the system and there is mention of DNA that has yet to match anything in the system.... will edit momentarily to include links

Added: CNN PRIME NEWS UNSOLVED CASES from Dec. 24, 2008
Part 1 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xomIl8Hyy64

Part 2 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6nXgUEE73M

Added:
http://www.mysuncoast.com/Global/story.asp?S=9568791

when clicking on this link, there is video of the Kesse interview that is 23 minutes long- it is a good watch and suggest everyone do so. thanks

Thanks. I also noted:

Part 1 - Joyce says, "...left her condo, locked the door, and at some point between 7:30 and 8:00 in the morning, she was vanished. She never showed up for work..."

So is that a time that was perhaps identified from the last cell phone ping to a tower?

 

[Drivenon]

Thanks. I also noted:

Part 1 - Joyce says, "...left her condo, locked the door, and at some point between 7:30 and 8:00 in the morning, she was vanished. She never showed up for work..."

So is that a time that was perhaps identified from the last cell phone ping to a tower?

Great question, but unfortunately, Pings have about a 3MI variance, which would double the perimeter of her home and where the car was. IMO, the pings from 1/23, am of 1/24 should be released. How in the world do you expect to encourage potential witness's to come forward if you cannot say for certain the window of time she/the perp may have been seen. Respectfully, that is LE 101.

 

[Drivenon]

In the most recent interviews- Dec 22, 2008 and Dec 24, 2008, there is mention of a latent print that has yet to match anything in the system and there is mention of DNA that has yet to match anything in the system.... will edit momentarily to include links

Added: CNN PRIME NEWS UNSOLVED CASES from Dec. 24, 2008
Part 1 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xomIl8Hyy64

Part 2 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6nXgUEE73M

Added:
http://www.mysuncoast.com/Global/story.asp?S=9568791

when clicking on this link, there is video of the Kesse interview that is 23 minutes long- it is a good watch and suggest everyone do so. thanks

I agree, watch it, in order. The Kesse's are a portrait of stength and grace.
Wow. What a contrast to the way they handled this over the A's. I SO want to help them any way I can.

 

[Myserty64]

I have been trying to find a statement from the OPD regarding the DNA and fingerprint evidence.

I don't want to sound like a broken record but I am concerned about the vagueness of this evidence.
Even Jennifer's parents were hesitant when asked about the DNA.

As the parents of a missing daughter and having endured emotional upheaval that we cannot imagine I believe they are entitled to know exactly what evidence LE have.

How on earth can this case be compromised by LE confirming they do indeed have finger print and DNA evidence in the Jennifer Kesse case?

It appears to me the story about this evidence started from a well known news service in the US.
I'm concerned it has been repeated by journalists researching a story about Jennifer's disappearance.

I'm also concerened LE might be letting the story about evidence 'run'.

If anyone can find a statement direct from LE confirming they have evidence please post it here.
Thank you.

 

[Myserty64]

LE claim to have had a thousand leads in this case.
Surely from all these they must have a suspect of some description.

I have read of cases over twenty years old and still unsolved where they have at least had a real person of interest. That is, they have a suspect they believe committed the crime but they can't prove it.

I wonder what the status is in Jennifer's case?

I guess the obvious answer is if they had a real suspect they could just run a DNA and finger print test.

While I think of it how far behind is the uploading of DNA into the data banks?
Last year I heard they were a couple of years behind.

 

[drumstick]

So, what's your theory about what happened?

Here's a young lady who was not living a high risk lifestyle.
She loves her family and friends and has a good education, good job, nice bf, and is a high achiever.
She was living the American dream.

So what happened?

 

[cloudajo]

Great question, but unfortunately, Pings have about a 3MI variance, which would double the perimeter of her home and where the car was. IMO, the pings from 1/23, am of 1/24 should be released. How in the world do you expect to encourage potential witness's to come forward if you cannot say for certain the window of time she/the perp may have been seen. Respectfully, that is LE 101.

Agree.

 

[cloudajo]

For reference.

CNN HLN, Part 2

Drew: “We almost don’t believe she made the car. The car was probably taken off premises to make as if she did go to work. We had bloodhounds from the car go directly back to her condo building when they did find the car.”

“I believe it is 1 latent print that does not match up to anyone that was found within the car, and supposedly there is some type of, and I’m not quite sure, either fabric or some type of DNA that’s just not hitting, nothing within any databases right now.”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6nXgUEE73M

 

[cloudajo]

I'm sure this link was posted in a previous thread....

but the story of Melissa Toot is what I find interesting

http://www.wesh.com/news/6876332/detail.html

Thanks, interesting.

Frightening encounter with apparent workman. Lie-detector given - I wonder if it was given to this guy? I would think she would be able to look at the suspect photos and at least have an idea if it looked like him, no?

"There's not enough detail in the person-of-interest photos released Saturday to know if he might be the man who approached Kesse" Toot said.

 

[Drivenon]

So, what's your theory about what happened?

Here's a young lady who was not living a high risk lifestyle.
She loves her family and friends and has a good education, good job, nice bf, and is a high achiever.
She was living the American dream.

So what happened?

1) Someone she knew was upset about her weekend get away, confronted her and something went wrong, was covered up.

2) She was targeted by a very organized offender, whom she may or may not have known, had been in their sites, and again the weekend get away was the catalyst to what happened. Has her work and home computers been searched? This person would need a level of access and would never in a million years risk detection by abducting her in broad daylight.

From listening to the Kesse's and the CNN interviews/report, I believe either
LE has a POI and nothing to tie it to and are hopeful finding a body will make a case.

OR

They do not have a thing since this case started, in which case, how active of an investigation is this? It is not uncommon knowledge without new leads there is nothing to investigate after almost 3 years. With sincere respect to the Kesse's, I am hoping they are asking for a detailed activity on what is being followed up on, what has been followed up on so far. If none of it has yieleded anything, release it to the media/public and see if that generates anything new. These people deserve to bring this girl home already.

I am not knocking LE, what I am saying is what I learned, as we all did,

"If what your doing is not producing results, try something different".

JMHO of course.

 

[UCFAlumni2002]

I have been trying to find a statement from the OPD regarding the DNA and fingerprint evidence.

I don't want to sound like a broken record but I am concerned about the vagueness of this evidence.
Even Jennifer's parents were hesitant when asked about the DNA.

As the parents of a missing daughter and having endured emotional upheaval that we cannot imagine I believe they are entitled to know exactly what evidence LE have.

How on earth can this case be compromised by LE confirming they do indeed have finger print and DNA evidence in the Jennifer Kesse case?

It appears to me the story about this evidence started from a well known news service in the US.
I'm concerned it has been repeated by journalists researching a story about Jennifer's disappearance.

I'm also concerened LE might be letting the story about evidence 'run'.

If anyone can find a statement direct from LE confirming they have evidence please post it here.
Thank you.

Personally, I dont think you are ever going to find LE saying much more about Jenn's case and it frustrates me to no end. The Kesse's have no need to lie about anything with the case and I'm sure if they are saying they have a latent print and dna that does not match from their own lips that it is truth.

 

[UCFAlumni2002]

1) Someone she knew was upset about her weekend get away, confronted her and something went wrong, was covered up.

2) She was targeted by a very organized offender, whom she may or may not have known, had been in their sites, and again the weekend get away was the catalyst to what happened. Has her work and home computers been searched? This person would need a level of access and would never in a million years risk detection by abducting her in broad daylight.

From listening to the Kesse's and the CNN interviews/report, I believe either
LE has a POI and nothing to tie it to and are hopeful finding a body will make a case.

OR

They do not have a thing since this case started, in which case, how active of an investigation is this? It is not uncommon knowledge without new leads there is nothing to investigate after almost 3 years. With sincere respect to the Kesse's, I am hoping they are asking for a detailed activity on what is being followed up on, what has been followed up on so far. If none of it has yieleded anything, release it to the media/public and see if that generates anything new. These people deserve to bring this girl home already.

I am not knocking LE, what I am saying is what I learned, as we all did,

"If what your doing is not producing results, try something different".

JMHO of course.

From the CNN Prime News interview, Joyce pointed out that Jenn had lived at Mosaic at Millenia for exactly 2 months to the day. I lean towards a stalker of some sort.