GUILTY FL - Jordan Davis, 17, shot to death, Satellite Beach, 23 Nov 2012 #1

[Hatfield]

I think it's absurd to suggest we try to avoid provoking people. I hold doors, I say thank you, I motion for people to get in front of me when they are trying to merge into traffic. As good as I can be. I STILL pissed some guy off!

I was making a right turn into a driveway, but a bus was coming out and I couldn't fit. So I stopped to let him out. The guy behind me laid on his horn and starting shouting. Then he proceeded to pull around me to try and beat the bus coming out. (it was only a 2 lane road). As he did he flipped me off and called me the "N" word. Really? Like, what could I have done to avoid this?

WHOA....hold on now.......Was specifically talking about blaring extremely loud music that can have the adverse affect of causing other unstable people to freak out and maybe cause a fight and maybe could even lead to a tragedy as happened in this case.

If you want to blare your music or do other things that other people may find objectionable and freak out about, you can continue to do that.

I elect not to do those sort of things because I dont want to piss off the wrong person like what seems to have happened in this case.

But I do blare my stereo on the highway

 

[Bee Happy]

WHOA....hold on now.......Was specifically talking about blaring extremely loud music that can have the adverse affect of causing other unstable people to freak out and maybe cause a fight and maybe could even lead to a tragedy as happened in this case.

If you want to blare your music or do other things that other people may find objectionable and freak out about, you can continue to do that.

I elect not to do those sort of things because I dont want to piss off the wrong person like what seems to have happened in this case.

But I do blare my stereo on the highway

But who would think that loud music would set someone off that much? Unless it's outside your home. And what's too loud? I like my music loud. Not to show off or to offend anyone...I just like it that way. I'm not sure what it sounds like outside of my truck. There are nuts out there and trying to walk on eggshells around them isn't the right answer.

I'd like to know if Dunn ever behaved in an unstable manner before this.
I'd also like to know how he felt about someone "back-talking". A car full of teens being asked to turn down their music (not sure HOW they were asked) may laugh it off or say, "whatever." I could see something verbal happening.

Here's another question...if one of the teens threatened that Dunn should move away from their vehicle before they harmed him, would that give him a reason to shoot?

 

[Bee Happy]

My only point was that you can piss off the right person even when you seem to be doing nothing.

 

[LolaMoon08]

The shooters story definitely could be totally bogus, and I do hope he gets convicted if he is lying about the other gun.

The only reason I am thinking it MAY be true, is because he said it was a shotgun. That seems so strange to me because if he was lying about it, you would think he would have just claimed there was a handgun. That is the only part that makes me think there could be some truth to his claim.

I agree with you that he could have totally mistaken something else and just assumed a shotgun was there too. Maybe he saw sometihing long handled and thought it was a shotgun.

He needs to prove his claim, otherwise he probably should be convicted.

It has been chilly here in SW Florida, so I can only assume that it has been even colder in North Florida. Could a long sleeved shirt, if dark enough, be mistake for a shotgun? I am 100% going on the assumption that Mr. Dunn was intoxicated after attending his son's wedding reception and trying to see how in the world he could mistake anything for a shotgun unless he was drunk or he is lying.

MOO

 

[Isabelle]

Has Dunn's girlfriend made any comments?

 

[LolaMoon08]

WHOA....hold on now.......Was specifically talking about blaring extremely loud music that can have the adverse affect of causing other unstable people to freak out and maybe cause a fight and maybe could even lead to a tragedy as happened in this case.

If you want to blare your music or do other things that other people may find objectionable and freak out about, you can continue to do that.

I elect not to do those sort of things because I dont want to piss off the wrong person like what seems to have happened in this case.

But I do blare my stereo on the highway

I guess blasting Christmas music in my vehicle is out of the question this year. :truce:

 

[Bee Happy]

I guess blasting Christmas music in my vehicle is out of the question this year. :truce:

Oh I like my Xmas music LOUD. LOL

 

[Hatfield]

My only point was that you can piss off the right person even when you seem to be doing nothing.

I totally agree with you here. Its even happened to me before when I happened to bump into someone by mistake and almost got into a fist fight over it.

Sometimes no matter what we do, it doesnt matter. I do wish crazy unstable people had a light on their forehead so we know when to avoid them. LOL

 

[Steely Dan]

I've been in bad areas of Jacksonville 50 times.

And every time you went there you were shot at? Why were you going to those areas?

Going to his home is on the run?

Going to his hotel without calling police and then hauling :censored: home the next day without notifying police he was leaving the area = on the run. JMO

Ok, so it's come out in the MSM that ONE of the injurred teenagers had a previous run in with the law, which was at the time of the death of his dad. This fact doesn't change the dynamics of this case at all. The only one saying the teens had a weapon (which has NOT been located by LE) and the only one saying the teens threatened him is the shooter.

Burglarizing cars is a far cry from having a weapon. It is a nonviolent crime. The teen has apologized to the victims and he's been serving probation. Yes he was out past his court appointed curfew that fateful night, but that has nothing to do with his friend being shot dead in the same car he was in. It isn't justification for ANYONE to open fire on an occupied car.

Playing loud music is not a crime. Shooting an unarmed teenager is a crime. Perhaps the teens could have avoided trouble by not playing their music so loud, but the shooter didn't have to park next to the teens either.

While we're at it, perhaps they should do mental evaluations on people before they purchase a gun or get a permit to carry. Which, btw, they haven't been able to verify this guy had a permit to carry. From everything brought out in the MSM, the only possible crime here is shooting a person who was not doing any harm to the shooter. The deceased victim was in the back seat of the car.

So listen you all, please do NOT sleuth the victims. The just linked article is ok, because it is MSM. But let's not go there that he was looking for trouble. Like I said, loud music is not a capital crime punishable by death.

Let's not re-victimize the victims here.

TIA
fran

BBM

They've recently been able to identify psychopaths through the usage of MRI brain scans, DNA tests and a questionnaire. What should be done with the people who are identified as pyschopaths is a interesting question.

One last thing and then I'm out of here. Too many baseless opinions.

There is a reason the shooter killed someone, it may have started over loud music but that is not the reason. It's clear beyond a shadow of a doubt the shooter didn't wake up that morning and think, I want to ruin my life today, I think I will go to a gas station and shoot someone!

There is no proof beyond a shadow of a doubt that he didn't want to kill someone. I'd say the chances are very low about that though. However, I don't think there are too many people who do that before shooting someone.

He flew off the handle and did something he's wanted to do, IMO, and thought he found the excuse to get away with it. JMO

What is so hard to understand about Law Enforcement saying that the teens were not armed with a gun? We know there was not a gun. Mr. Dunn's lawyer can spout off about a shotgun all she wants, but it is simply not true. Mr. Dunn can try and argue that to a jury too. The fact is, there was no gun.

Maybe Mr. Dunn assumed the teens had a gun based on his own paranoid prejudices? But, have fun explaining that to a jury too.

MOO

BBM

I respectfully disagree. I'm over 90% sure there wasn't a gun, but it's still possible there was one that was gotten rid of before the police arrived. I'm just saying I need to know more before I make that assumption.

 

[LolaMoon08]

BBM

I respectfully disagree. I'm over 90% sure there wasn't a gun, but it's still possible there was one that was gotten rid of before the police arrived. I'm just saying I need to know more before I make that assumption.

Snipped for space.

I am more like 95% sure there was no gun. If we're dealing with a bunch of teenagers packing heat, then I have a hard time seeing them not firing back especially if they were the ones to first pull out a gun. I would think it would be instinct to start shooting at someone who is shooting at you if you already have a weapon in hand.

Do we know how much time elapsed between the actual shooting and the time of Mr. Dunn's apprehention? I know it was sometime the next day, but with a license plate number readily available, did police arrive at his home before he did? Maybe it was a rental car and it took longer to get that information?

Ugh! I need to know more.

I ask this because I am pretty positive these teens were held at a police station for many, many hours the night of the shooting to give sworn statements and then, if they were all minors, they would be released to their parents. So, I am trying to sort out any time they would have to go back to retrieve this gun and get rid of it before Mr. Dunn's arrest and statement that there was a gun involved.

We need a better timeline.

 

[songline]

For those of you who don't know Jacksonville is one of the murder capitals of the country. Jacksonville has lead the State of Florida's Murder rate 11 years out of the last 12 years. There will be about 110 Murders in Jacksonville this year, Population, around 850,000. NYC will have about 400 murders, population about 8,500,000. Most of them happen within 5 miles of the center of Jacksonville (75sq miles). The city of Jacksonville covers 885sq miles, NYC covers 468.5 sq miles! If you go anywhere near downtown Jacksonville you are at a high risk of being found dead!

If you are a good psychic maybe I should leave NYC
But I love it here.

 

[flourish]

My only point was that you can piss off the right person even when you seem to be doing nothing.

Seriously!!! I had some guy the other day honking and screaming at me to turn left at an intersection. Turning left in the intersection would have meant hitting several pedestrians. I pointed to said pedestrians to indicate that, gee, maybe that's why I'm not turning, but dude didn't care--it was as though he could only see one car ahead of himself.

In any case, courtesy is an awesome thing and I love to practice it and see it being practiced everywhere. However, a lack of courtesy is never a valid reason for violence.

 

[eileenhawkeye]

Seriously!!! I had some guy the other day honking and screaming at me to turn left at an intersection. Turning left in the intersection would have meant hitting several pedestrians. I pointed to said pedestrians to indicate that, gee, maybe that's why I'm not turning, but dude didn't care--it was as though he could only see one car ahead of himself.

In any case, courtesy is an awesome thing and I love to practice it and see it being practiced everywhere. However, a lack of courtesy is never a valid reason for violence.

Where I'm from, people beep their horns if you don't turn the second the light turns green. I've been honked at because I wouldn't turn into incoming traffic. Also, there have been many, many times where I've seen no one move to the side lanes when an ambulance is coming with sirens blaring. -_-

 

[Sonya610]

The only reason I am thinking it MAY be true, is because he said it was a shotgun. That seems so strange to me because if he was lying about it, you would think he would have just claimed there was a handgun. That is the only part that makes me think there could be some truth to his claim.

Yuppers. I agree completely and thought the same thing.

I think they pointed a sawed off shotgun and things got out of control, and he started firing and hit the wrong youth. The youth with the shotgun went scurrying fast.

I do think he may have been tipsy. If someone points a sawed off shotgun at me at point blank range WITH loved ones in the car I am going to say "Sorry Sir" and back the vehicle out of there.

Shot gun trumps handgun.

 

[writer7]

I think someone would have found the shotgun by now had they had one. Clearly they couldn't have driven far and gotten back, even if Dunn's attorney is telling the truth. So where is the shotgun? You know folks at businesses nearby would've noticed it with this story all over the news.

There were witnesses to this, and someone who made sure to take down info. Attention was being paid to the situation, and I don't believe that the alleged gun could have gotten far. It's not like some nearly-deserted gas station in the middle of the night, remember.

 

[writer7]

Davis's dad is on HLN right now, btw.

 

[Steely Dan]

They're in commercial right now! I think I missed it. :banghead:

 

[Steely Dan]

Yep, after commercial they had Clark Howard on. Clark Howard really annoys me. :banghead:

 

[songline]

shades of Trayvon/Zimmerman confrontation?

I really am not a fan of Florida's current gun laws, or maybe its simply how they are being interpreted and enforced that frightens me. Not sure.

BBM (I just got on this thread still reading)
Only if this guy ends up with a record as some Bad Azz kid. I think Z is innocent.
Not so sure about this guy? but I wonder why while with his GF he could; not control himself? WHAT really happened there that would provoke 8 shots?
OR How could his GF hang out with a wild man?

Wat's going on?

 

[flourish]

Yuppers. I agree completely and thought the same thing.

I think they pointed a sawed off shotgun and things got out of control, and he started firing and hit the wrong youth. The youth with the shotgun went scurrying fast.

I do think he may have been tipsy. If someone points a sawed off shotgun at me at point blank range WITH loved ones in the car I am going to say "Sorry Sir" and back the vehicle out of there.

Shot gun trumps handgun.

As far as I know, there's no credible evidence pointing to a shotgun even existing in this situation, so unless there is a new link with LE stating a shotgun was found or that they have evidence there was one used here, there was no "youth with a shotgun" to go scurrying anywhere at any speed.

So, got a link regarding that alleged shotgun? If not, please don't make statements that indicate a fact when it's not a fact. tia