GUILTY FL - Jordan Davis, 17, shot to death, Satellite Beach, 23 Nov 2012 #1

[Davita]

Only when someone is actually guilty of a crime and the police have to hunt them down. :floorlaugh:

If he had nothing to hide and felt 100% confident that he acted responsible, he would have left the scene, make contact with police. If he felt threatened for his life, fine, leave the area, but call the cops.

IMO he was in a bad mood and was probably made a fool of by the teens in the car. They might have yelled obscenities to him which angered him more. That made him loose his composure, he felt humiliated and like a bloody fool.

There were witnesses who saw what happened (a witness gave the rego to the police) and he felt stupid that a few teens made a fool of him.

He used his gun to settle the score. If he felt threatened, he could have shot once into the ground or where ever to make a point, and if they then proceeded to threaten him, he could have done it a second time.

He shot 8-9 times into the SIDE of the car, imo he intended to injure at least one person. What else did he expect? Did he think his bullets were made of candy?

On his facebook page he liked a page called "F^%$ the Government". This guy has anger issues and as time goes on, it will come out. His eyes are angry.

I also think that something happened at the wedding that caused him a bit of anger. Perhaps he was even asked to leave the reception. Or perhaps he got upset and left early.

Whatever the reason is he left early, if he really enjoyed his evening, they would have stayed longer. I mean, after all, it is his only son's wedding.

 

[Davita]

One last thing and then I'm out of here. Too many baseless opinions.

There is a reason the shooter killed someone, it may have started over loud music but that is not the reason. It's clear beyond a shadow of a doubt the shooter didn't wake up that morning and think, I want to ruin my life today, I think I will go to a gas station and shoot someone!

Huh? There is a reason the shooter killed someone? Reason? Whatever the reason, it is never reason enough. It is not clear beyond a shadow of a doubt that he did NOT wake up that morning with some anger for whatever reason. Whatever the reason for his anger, he took it out on all those in the car, and killed one of them.

They might have flipped him the bird, swore at him, humiliated him, threatened him, whatever, but he got angry and shot 8-9 times into the side of a car. That is ALL we know.

Two parents lost a child because Dunn got trigger happy.

Lets see, how many times have Jordan been in trouble with the law?

Lets now see, how many times have Dunn been in trouble with the law... or... the FBI?

 

[Davita]

What is so hard to understand about Law Enforcement saying that the teens were not armed with a gun? We know there was not a gun. Mr. Dunn's lawyer can spout off about a shotgun all she wants, but it is simply not true. Mr. Dunn can try and argue that to a jury too. The fact is, there was no gun.

Maybe Mr. Dunn assumed the teens had a gun based on his own paranoid prejudices? But, have fun explaining that to a jury too.

MOO

These teen boys came from the Mall. I dont think they would have gone to the mall taking a shotgun with them into the mall. I also do not think that they would have left the shotgun in the SUV while walking around in the mall.

There was no shotgun. Police would have interrogated the other teens by now and they would have asked them intensely about a supposed shotgun. If there was a gun, it would have been in the news by now.

The defence can say anything to make it stick.

Also, IF Mr Dunn really saw a gun, or THOUGHT he saw a gun, he would have called the police after he left the scene. But he did not, he fled the scene.

Same as a hit and run. If you are driving your car and you accidentally hit a person, and you know you are not at fault, you will stop. The only reason you will not stop is because you have something to hide. Either you are drunk, etc.

Mr Dunn will do time for this murder. He killed that child in cold blood.

 

[~n/t~]

I think someone would have found the shotgun by now had they had one. Clearly they couldn't have driven far and gotten back, even if Dunn's attorney is telling the truth. So where is the shotgun? You know folks at businesses nearby would've noticed it with this story all over the news.

There were witnesses to this, and someone who made sure to take down info. Attention was being paid to the situation, and I don't believe that the alleged gun could have gotten far. It's not like some nearly-deserted gas station in the middle of the night, remember.

writer, just jumping off your post because I've been following this case on and off so I'm not up to speed on all the information that has been released. My post is not directed at you but wondered if you or anyone has the answers to my questions below:

What happened after the shooting? Where did the shooter go? Where did the teens go? Did the witnesses see the actual shooting? When did Jordan get medical attention? Who called 911?

BTW...I was really impressed with Jordan's dad and my heart goes out to him and Jordan's mom and his entire family. What a senseless tragedy.

 

[Elley Mae]

Argument over loud music led to teen's fatal shooting, cops say (orlandosentinel.com)

more at the link, with pictures

This is cold blooded murder to me.

 

[Steely Dan]

BBM:
OMG his son will be so proud, and his sons wife & family will have a cow.

He's divorced.

If he had nothing to hide and felt 100% confident that he acted responsible, he would have left the scene, make contact with police. If he felt threatened for his life, fine, leave the area, but call the cops.

IMO he was in a bad mood and was probably made a fool of by the teens in the car. They might have yelled obscenities to him which angered him more. That made him loose his composure, he felt humiliated and like a bloody fool.

There were witnesses who saw what happened (a witness gave the rego to the police) and he felt stupid that a few teens made a fool of him.

He used his gun to settle the score. If he felt threatened, he could have shot once into the ground or where ever to make a point, and if they then proceeded to threaten him, he could have done it a second time.

He shot 8-9 times into the SIDE of the car, imo he intended to injure at least one person. What else did he expect? Did he think his bullets were made of candy?

On his facebook page he liked a page called "F^%$ the Government". This guy has anger issues and as time goes on, it will come out. His eyes are angry.

I also think that something happened at the wedding that caused him a bit of anger. Perhaps he was even asked to leave the reception. Or perhaps he got upset and left early.

Whatever the reason is he left early, if he really enjoyed his evening, they would have stayed longer. I mean, after all, it is his only son's wedding.

:goodpost:

 

[Sonya610]

Not finding the "alleged" shot gun doesn't mean there wasn't one. Most youths have cell phones these days, it is not hard to ditch a weapon and then call a friend and tell them where it is so they can retrieve it.

In a case like this if there was an alleged weapon then the teen that had it would KNOW he was in big trouble.

 

[Jovi Girl]

Why didn't they shoot at Dunn, if they had a gun ?

 

[Isabelle]

I believe Dunn lied about seeing a shotgun, or his attorney lied for him. Reason being, it would allow him to use the SYG law to protect himself.

 

[songline]

He's divorced.

Shooter is divorced but wasn't he coming from his sons wedding? (most likely DRUNK)

 

[songline]

Huh? There is a reason the shooter killed someone? Reason? Whatever the reason, it is never reason enough. It is not clear beyond a shadow of a doubt that he did NOT wake up that morning with some anger for whatever reason. Whatever the reason for his anger, he took it out on all those in the car, and killed one of them.

They might have flipped him the bird, swore at him, humiliated him, threatened him, whatever, but he got angry and shot 8-9 times into the side of a car. That is ALL we know.

Two parents lost a child because Dunn got trigger happy.

Lets see, how many times have Jordan been in trouble with the law?

Lets now see, how many times have Dunn been in trouble with the law... or... the FBI?

I totally agree with you.
<modsnip>.
but I know some posters DO come in here from the suspect side
with intention to create reasonable doubt.... (just saying)
CANT WORK on this case it is clearly a heartless murder

There is no reason other then depraved, disassociated, indiference.

The man would have stayed and not run if there was any merit to his claim at all.

 

[songline]

These teen boys came from the Mall. I dont think they would have gone to the mall taking a shotgun with them into the mall. I also do not think that they would have left the shotgun in the SUV while walking around in the mall.

There was no shotgun. Police would have interrogated the other teens by now and they would have asked them intensely about a supposed shotgun. If there was a gun, it would have been in the news by now.

The defence can say anything to make it stick.

Also, IF Mr Dunn really saw a gun, or THOUGHT he saw a gun, he would have called the police after he left the scene. But he did not, he fled the scene.

Same as a hit and run. If you are driving your car and you accidentally hit a person, and you know you are not at fault, you will stop. The only reason you will not stop is because you have something to hide. Either you are drunk, etc.

Mr Dunn will do time for this murder. He killed that child in cold blood.

I AGREE and I hope he never sees the light of day again.

If he thought he saw a gun he could have shoot their tires out and called 911.
they would not be able to move, but he would be able to move away till the cops got there.
He is full of crap.

 

[songline]

Why didn't they shoot at Dunn, if they had a gun ?

EXACTLY... But now the shooter will say they had a fake gun. He is just a <mod snip>, he is the one who ran away.

 

[Sonya610]

Why didn't they shoot at Dunn, if they had a gun ?

Because one of them was playing like a tough guy and when Dunn started shooting they panicked?

 

[rossva]

BBM What are you basing that thought on?

Shooter is divorced but wasn't he coming from his sons wedding? (most likely DRUNK)

 

[rossva]

You think you see some one pointing a gun at you, and instead of shooting at the person who in your mind could kill you, you would shoot at the tires?

I AGREE and I hope he never sees the light of day again.

If he thought he saw a gun he could have shoot their tires out and called 911.
they would not be able to move, but he would be able to move away till the cops got there.
He is full of crap.

 

[daisy7]

One of the recent articles (sorry, don't have the link handy) said that it hadn't yet been confirmed that Dunn had a CW permit. Has anyone seen anything else about whether he did or did not have one?

 

[Davita]

You think you see some one pointing a gun at you, and instead of shooting at the person who in your mind could kill you, you would shoot at the tires?

No, but a warning shot next to the car would be good, not 8-9 shots directed at the occupants of the car. He also could have yelled out to the bystanders to call the cops.

He saw NO gun, if he did, he would have said so to his girlfriend when she got to the car, instead he said "I just fired at these kids". He said nothing about a gun. Only when he got legal representation, did he come up with this genius idea.

Guilty! Next please!

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2012/11/30/fatal-shooting-music-martin-case/1736879/

 

[Steely Dan]

JMO, but I don't think it's fair to say he was probably drunk. We have no evidence that he was. His son says he wasn't too. I know his son isn't the most trusted source because he's a family member, but I think we need more evidence before assuming he was drunk.

I've referred to him as probably drunk before in this thread, but I've been thinking about it, and it just doesn't seem right to jump to that conclusion. JMO

 

[Davita]

I hope it comes to light at what stage the music was turned down. If the music was so loud, how did he hear them yelling back at him words to the extent of "kill the m-ukker..."

And thinking about it, did they actually hear him when he TOLD them to turn the volume down?

Cant wait to hear what the bystanders and the other teens have to say.

Another thing that I have been thinking about. 17 is very very young, inexperienced, innocent, etc. If NONE of the boys had any violent records, or trouble with the law, I cant see that they will have the state of mind to hide a gun, especially in the light of their friend just being shot to death in front of them. There is NO way that they would be able to hide a shotgun so well that not even LE could find it.

Question, is it perhaps possible that the teens saw trouble coming and pulled out a cricket bat? Seeing that some say Jacksonville is a violent place, is it possible that they carried bats with them?