GUILTY FL - Jordan Davis, 17, shot to death, Satellite Beach, 23 Nov 2012 #1

[gxm]

It's also called scared of someone still being armed and without more rounds being able to shoot back.

I don't think that's gonna fly with a jury. More like a cowardly bully who unloads his gun into a car full of teenagers and then turns and runs. As I said before, if the teens had been armed, there would have been an exchange of gunfire. The attack was completely one-sided. Dunn's attorney may very well argue that Dunn fled in fear for his life, but without a witness or physical evidence to back it up, IMO, the jury will see him for the cowardly killer he is.

 

[mobeydick]

Oh, so this is an ageist thing, then? I can't imagine why else a person would be willing to take one person's word over a group of younger people's words unless their is some ageism involved. IMO.

Both side of this case may have reasons to lie. The shooter, that we know of, has never shown a personallity trait that would make a reasonable person believe him cold blooded killer. Shots were sent down range for a reason, do you know that reason, It sure as hell wasn't loud music!

 

[mobeydick]

RBBM
Some things are making more sense to me. It appears that you feel that teenagers have frequent altercations with old white folks. Huh. So...bullies of all ages never have altercations with people of other varieties of race and age? Very very interesting. :waitasec:

Regardless of age, race Individuals don't try and bully four other people,<modsnip>

 

[mobeydick]

I don't think that's gonna fly with a jury. More like a cowardly bully who unloads his gun into a car full of teenagers and then turns and runs. As I said before, if the teens had been armed, there would have been an exchange of gunfire. The attack was completely one-sided. Dunn's attorney may very well argue that Dunn fled in fear for his life, but without a witness or physical evidence to back it up, IMO, the jury will see him for the cowardly killer he is.

Cowardly Bully think about that for a moment!

So now he is a cowardly killer instead of a cold blooed one!

 

[gxm]

Cowardly Bully think about that for a moment!

So now he is a cowardly killer instead of a cold blooed one!

One can be both cold-blooded and cowardly. IMO, the two character traits are often found together.

Frankly, I don't know what to make of Mr. Dunn. It was certainly a cold-blooded act to unload his weapon into a car full of unarmed teens and it was certainly cowardly to then turn tail and run. It would make more sense to me if he'd been so drunk that he hadn't had the consciousness of guilt to flee the scene. It would have made more sense if he'd had an ounce of compassion to call 911. Nothing the man did that night makes sense. Everything he did makes him look both cold-blooded and cowardly. Not a good combination to present to a jury, IMO.

 

[mobeydick]

One can be both cold-blooded and cowardly. IMO, the two character traits are often found together.

Frankly, I don't know what to make of Mr. Dunn. It was certainly a cold-blooded act to unload his weapon into a car full of unarmed teens and it was certainly cowardly to then turn tail and run. It would make more sense to me if he'd been so drunk that he hadn't had the consciousness of guilt to flee the scene. It would have made more sense if he'd had an ounce of compassion to call 911. Nothing the man did that night makes sense. Everything he did makes him look both cold-blooded and cowardly. Not a good combination to present to a jury, IMO.

Coward and Bully at the same time?! <modsnip>!

That because you are bias toward him and cannot fathom the teens being teens. You clearly think they were somehow being mature blasting loud music!

 

[gxm]

Coward and Bully at the same time?! <modsnip>!

That because you are bias toward him and cannot fathom the teens being teens. You clearly think they were somehow being mature blasting loud music!

Actually, I am fully aware how obnoxious teenagers can be. That's still no reason to use deadly force against them. Loud music is not something to kill anyone, teen or elderly, over. Call the police and register a complaint, yes. Pull out a gun and shoot someone to death, absolutely not.

 

[writer7]

I don't know how many people here are 'biased' against Mr. Dunn because of anything other than his own behavior, because his own behavior is just so hinky. If he and his girlfriend had contacted police ASAP and tried to have the situation looked into as soon as possible, I'm sure I'd be more inclined to believe them.

Certainly, folks might occasionally run into bad teens. We know more about the situation now, though, and the evidence is just not on Mr Dunn's side, imho.

I follow the evidence; I have no reason to originally assume Mr Dunn is a bad middle-aged man or the teens are bad teens. That part starts as equal in my mind. They all get the benefit of the doubt, and evidence is what makes me lean one way or the other.

PS - I was a very good teen I looked a little punk, but I always hated when folks assumed teens always acted immaturely, etc. I was a good citizen, lol.

 

[flourish]

Both side of this case may have reasons to lie. The shooter, that we know of, has never shown a personallity trait that would make a reasonable person believe him cold blooded killer. Shots were sent down range for a reason, do you know that reason, It sure as hell wasn't loud music!

Right--we DON'T know the shooter's temperament and personality traits to know whether or not it's reasonable to believe him to be a cold-blooded killer. We don't know the teenagers' temperaments and personality traits, either, but we do know LE didn't find a gun, and as gxm mentioned, there was no EXCHANGE of gunfire, just one person shooting at several youths.


Do you know what the reason was if it wasn't loud music? People have been killed over much less than loud music, so I'm not comfortable writing that off as the reason.

I'm still just not understanding why you feel it's appropriate to always choose to believe an older person over a group of younger people.

 

[flourish]

Regardless of age, race Individuals don't try and bully four other people,<modsnip>

Really? Interesting, because when I was a teenager, I did experience individuals trying to bully me and my friends when we were in a group. I suppose my friends and me are the only group that's ever happened to?

There seems to be a lot of black/white always/never assumptions being made here.

But that still doesn't explain your willingness to always accept an older individual's words against a group of younger people's word--again, sure smells a lot like ageism. IMO

 

[flourish]

Cowardly Bully think about that for a moment!

So now he is a cowardly killer instead of a cold blooed one!

A lot of bullies really are cowards--hence their need to bully--they want to appear strong and tough. Also, many bullies tend to pick on people more vulnerable that they are--pretty cowardly in my book!

 

[flourish]

Coward and Bully at the same time?! <modsnip>!

That because you are bias toward him and cannot fathom the teens being teens. You clearly think they were somehow being mature blasting loud music!

So playing loud music in one's vehicle is immature? I guess I better let every driving adult I know about this!!!

 

[mobeydick]

Right--we DON'T know the shooter's temperament and personality traits to know whether or not it's reasonable to believe him to be a cold-blooded killer. We don't know the teenagers' temperaments and personality traits, either, but we do know LE didn't find a gun, and as gmx mentioned, there was no EXCHANGE of gunfire, just one person shooting at several youths.


Do you know what the reason was if it wasn't loud music? People have been killed over much less than loud music, so I'm not comfortable writing that off as the reason.

I'm still just not understanding why you feel it's appropriate to always choose to believe an older person over a group of younger people.

Because a group of people will try and bully single people. That is a known fact of life.

 

[flourish]

I don't know how many people here are 'biased' against Mr. Dunn because of anything other than his own behavior, because his own behavior is just so hinky. If he and his girlfriend had contacted police ASAP and tried to have the situation looked into as soon as possible, I'm sure I'd be more inclined to believe them.

Certainly, folks might occasionally run into bad teens. We know more about the situation now, though, and the evidence is just not on Mr Dunn's side, imho.

I follow the evidence; I have no reason to originally assume Mr Dunn is a bad middle-aged man or the teens are bad teens. That part starts as equal in my mind. They all get the benefit of the doubt, and evidence is what makes me lean one way or the other.

PS - I was a very good teen I looked a little punk, but I always hated when folks assumed teens always acted immaturely, etc. I was a good citizen, lol.

Great post, writer
Having never heard of Mr. Dunn before this case, of course my opinion of him is based on the information I do know, and I agree with writer7 that the evidence doesn't look good for him.

OT: I was an "unusually-dressing" teenager who was accused of actually killing the lab mice in my psych class and had to go see the school counselor because I had a peace sign earring on, which they interpreted as being some sort of Satanic sign. (Yeah, that's more what I'd consider naivete to be) I never got in trouble, was an excellent student, and have continued to be a law-abiding, productive citizen since then.

 

[flourish]

Really? Interesting, because when I was a teenager, I did experience individuals trying to bully me and my friends when we were in a group. I suppose my friends and me are the only group that's ever happened to?

Because a group of people will try and bully single people. That is a known fact of life.

Maybe it's a fact in your life, but clearly others, like myself, have experienced different things.

Since you're so adamant about this, do you have some say, peer-reviewed articles you can provide so we can be more educated about this topic?
Thanks in advance.

 

[mobeydick]

Really? Interesting, because when I was a teenager, I did experience individuals trying to bully me and my friends when we were in a group. I suppose my friends and me are the only group that's ever happened to?

There seems to be a lot of black/white always/never assumptions being made here.

But that still doesn't explain your willingness to always accept an older individual's words against a group of younger people's word--again, sure smells a lot like ageism. IMO

I was a teenager, Maybe you were also, I was most likely the most honest one I knew. Almost all the rest couldn't be trusted with telling the truth, biggest bunch of liars ever. So no I don't think things have changed in that earthly relationship!

 

[mobeydick]

A lot of bullies really are cowards--hence their need to bully--they want to appear strong and tough. Also, many bullies tend to pick on people more vulnerable that they are--pretty cowardly in my book!

An old man is going to pick on four teenagers!

 

[mobeydick]

So playing loud music in one's vehicle is immature? I guess I better let every driving adult I know about this!!!

Yes, you should, its not mature especially if they are imposing there likes on others in an public area some who may have hearing problems! That is completely immature!

 

[Sonya610]

Maybe it's a fact in your life, but clearly others, like myself, have experienced different things.

Since you're so adamant about this, do you have some say, peer-reviewed articles you can provide so we can be more educated about this topic?
Thanks in advance.

Are you serious? Do you know how often mobs of "teens" attack lone "non-teen" individuals these days? It is a RAMPANT problem in many cities.

There is NO DOUBT groups of teens attack lone individuals FAR FAR more often than the other way around! Virtually all of the teens look similar as well!

Here is a site devoted to chronicling the incidents. Most of these incidents do NOT make the national news. Many of the incidents show photos of the teen attackers.

http://violentflashmobs.com/

 

[flourish]

I was a teenager, Maybe you were also, I was most likely the most honest one I knew. Almost all the rest couldn't be trusted with telling the truth, biggest bunch of liars ever. So no I don't think things have changed in that earthly relationship!

Amazingly enough, I was a teenager once, too! I'm sorry to hear that you feel you were the only teenager you knew who was trustworthy. What a lonely existence. Fortunately, not all teenagers are those teenagers--you weren't the only teenager to ever exist who was truthful. Making a huge sweeping statement about a group of people usually stems from ignorance or some sort of prejudice.

An old man is going to pick on four teenagers!

Was that supposed to be a question or a strong statement? It could be argued that telling them what to do was indeed picking on them. Also, have you never met an older person who has a poor attitude or temperament?

Yes, you should, its not mature especially if they are imposing there likes on others in an public area some who may have hearing problems! That is completely immature!

For the record, I tested out the volume on my car when I first bought it, in order to tell how loud my music had to be before it was audible outside the car. I'm actually a courteous person who considers others, so I do tend to turn it down in town while letting it go full force on the highway. People do a lot of things in public that others don't want to see or hear---I can't be the only person whose stood in a line behind an amorous couple and was presented with a grope-fest. I personally find crucifixes to be super creepy, as well as people who talk really loudly in stores. I also hate it when someone's on a cell-phone with an earpiece and they start talking (like in a store) when I'm the only person around them and then they act as though I'm insane for turning around thinking they're talking to me.

LOTS OF THINGS BOTHER LOTS OF PEOPLE! Personally, I think it's more immature to confront and complain to those people about a lot of the annoying things people do in public, because IT'S PUBLIC--everyone's allowed to be there and I'm a mature adult who is able to ignore or get over whatever irritant is around. If it's a safety issue or such a huge problem you can't deal with it, then there's store owners, landlords, law enforcement officers you can go to so they can take care of issues on thei own property.

It's not necessary and is immature to try to boss the whole world around.