Found Deceased FL - Lane Graves, 2, Walt Disney World, 14 June 2016 #1

[Wyle_E_Coyote]

im so sad about the traumatic injuries :*( I hope it was over quick and he didn't suffer.

why would his parents be charged????

Same reason people wanted gorilla mom charged.

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[cvaldez1975]

makes me angry. they were right there w their child.

Same reason people wanted gorilla mom charged.

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[sonjay]

When I look at video and photos of that beach area, I keep wondering what the purpose is of having it when there are alligators present. No one should be using it, it's too dangerous. Why not build a low wall and elevate the ground area? Allow people to walk along and look down at the water instead of sitting or standing near it.

BBM. The problem with that statement is that it vastly overestimates the risks.

According to Florida Fish & Wildlife, there have been 23 fatal gator attacks in Florida since 1948. (well, 24 counting little Lane; their list was last updated in April.)
http://myfwc.com/media/310203/Alligator-GatorBites.pdf

The risk of a gator attack is exceedingly low. Less than 400 non-fatal gator bites in the state since 1948. It doesn't make any sense to say that anywhere gators are present is too dangerous and no one should be using it. No one would be able to swim or do anything else in or near the water anywhere in the state.

Meanwhile, children die by the thousands in car accidents, pool drownings, accidental poisonings, falls, and other accidents.

I don't mean for an instant to minimize the loss suffered by the Graves family, but it was a freak accident that was highly unlikely to happen and is highly unlikely to happen again. We need to be realistic about the actual risks associated with various activities, and the risk of dying from a fatal gator attack is so low that it wouldn't even make a list of the top 100 risks of fatal injuries & accidents.

Gators are everywhere in Florida. So are people. The vast majority of the time, we co-exist just fine. We kill a lot more of them than they do us.

 

[LaborDayRN]

Mom Shares Photo of Different Boy Playing in Lagoon an Hour Before Alligator Attack at Disney World

Jennifer Venditti says her son was wading in the same spot at Disney’s Grand Floridian Resort on Tuesday where an alligator grabbed 2-year-old Lane Graves less than an hour later.

“I’ve already seen posts criticizing the parents. I can assure you alligators were not on my mind at all when Channing was in the water. It’s a tiny beach, surrounded by pools, water slides, a restaurant and a fire pit. I can’t conceive that an alligator would be in such a busy, small space,” Venditti wrote.


http://ktla.com/2016/06/16/mom-shar...on-an-hour-before-alligator-attack-at-disney/

This little one and his family were very lucky

 

[Renee110]

I am glad they found his body for peace of mind, however, sad ending to a sad week in Orlando. I just don't understand how people don't think alligators would be in Florida. I feel this is something you learn as a part of geography in school....what animals live in the desert, Everglades, plains, etc. It's disturbing and sad to think people have to be told and warned continuously about dangers. I'm not referring to just this incident but unfortunately they don't listen to the warnings anyways. People will continue to go round and round placing blame but sometimes things are just freak accidents. I could say they shouldn't have been in the water (depending on the story you've heard) or why the child was near the water that late at night. But either way that means nothing now. Hopefully everyone just becomes more aware of their surroundings no matter the situation or location. [emoji20]


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BBM

We can only hope and pray this is so. The week is not over yet.

 

[ATasteOfHoney]

Not just regionally... Disney gets visitors from all over the world. Would tourists from Finland or Morocco or Greece know to watch for alligators?

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Very true....regions can mean various regions of the world.

 

[Renee110]

I feel like a lawsuit could come down to exactly where the child was when the incident happened. That's assuming that Disney offers to settle and the family refuses the offer and it goes to a jury. There's been so many conflicting reports. I wonder if Disney got the whole thing on camera? At least enough to tell where Lane and his parents and the gator were when it happened?

I'm of the opinion that since this was so highly publicized and covered by all media thoroughly, that Disney is NOT going to Victim blame and they will offer a VERY generous settlement. They don't want to be known as the evil company that was so insensitive to the horror of the death and the trauma the surviving family will forever bear that they turned their backs. IMO

 

[ATasteOfHoney]

Mom Shares Photo of Different Boy Playing in Lagoon an Hour Before Alligator Attack at Disney World

Jennifer Venditti says her son was wading in the same spot at Disney’s Grand Floridian Resort on Tuesday where an alligator grabbed 2-year-old Lane Graves less than an hour later.

“I’ve already seen posts criticizing the parents. I can assure you alligators were not on my mind at all when Channing was in the water. It’s a tiny beach, surrounded by pools, water slides, a restaurant and a fire pit. I can’t conceive that an alligator would be in such a busy, small space,” Venditti wrote.

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http://ktla.com/2016/06/16/mom-shar...on-an-hour-before-alligator-attack-at-disney/

This little one and his family were very lucky

Perhaps these pics are a tad misleading? Do we have images of nighttime pics & how far was this poor child in the water? I've seen various reports!?

And I'm not putting blame anywhere but I do want to see a level of accuracy..

 

[Wyle_E_Coyote]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ut-alligator-attacks-according-to-jack-hanna/

"When a gator comes out of the water, it’s like a bullet,” Hanna told ABC News. “They can outrun any human being on Earth in the first 20 to 30 feet.”

Hanna told major news stations that the best advice he can give to people is: maintain a safe distance.

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[oceanblueeyes]

The Internet has been a beautiful invention, it has brought our immense unimaginable Earth into our tiny homes. However, along with the good always comes the bad. And I AM SICK OF IT!!! I read a blog post today that spoke exactly what I have been thinking especially over the last month .
It was written on a blog by a mom (initials MF) of four boys (that gives you some info to google it). In it she brings up 2 situations that if you are at least 35 -40 you should recall. I will paraphrase a bit of it below.

35 years ago a mom left her 6 year old son with another group of boys while she looked for something while shopping at the mall.
30 years ago, we sat helpless in front of the TV as workers spent hours trying to free an 18 month old that was stuck in her aunt's well.

That first boy was Adam Walsh and of course the second was Baby Jessica.

Guess what else those 2 events have in common? The entire country LOVED them and SUPPORTED them. I would be naive to think there weren't snarky thoughts entering minds back then...but they didn't have the ability to publicly shame.
And just because we have that ability now does not mean we should.
As the mods say to us here at WS- "scroll and roll," and as my mama always has said "your words have the power to heal and the power to destroy. Use your power carefully."

RIP beautiful Lane. Your life was short, but it reminds me how precious my children are and how easy accidents happen. I pray for your family, currently walking though a blurry unimaginable existence , that each day will bring a renewed strength to cope with coming years. I pray for the big sister left to grow in the shadow of this tragedy, that her life is blessed with unconditional love and support.

This is one of the most heartfelt post I do believe I have ever read on WS. Thank you from the bottom of my heart. I can feel your pain and sadness.

My grandmother always told me the very same thing and I have always remembered her words.

I have long been saying many in our society seem to have become more and more mean spirited almost like it has become some kind of sport or pastime for some. There was a time citizens all over the nation all joined together to support families in grief but I began to see it really change around 2004-2005 iirc where no longer were the parents of a missing or dead child being supported, but instead were being accused immediately of the wrongdoing or being at fault themselves way before the actual truth came out showing otherwise. Since then it has only gotten even worse. How in the world did our society get like this?

Your post saddens me because I know what you have posted is true. I really wish it could go back to the way it use to be where until evidence was shown, parents were fully supported if they had lost a child/children due to horrific circumstances. We are too far gone to ever go back though with more and more on social media sites. Its become more common place to be highly negative and critical than rare these days.

The internet does give many a platform to post their negativity. I have even seen death threats made by internet posters against some parents on many other social sites. It seems so many have become hyper-critical/judgmental of almost everyone now that finds themselves in the harsh spotlight of the media instead of showing compassion, love, understanding, and support. The ones who seem to do it though are those who don't know the families and are being critical from afar. Communities and citizens that know the parents and the child or children still do come together to show tremendous love and support. Thank goodness that still does happen and happens often showing there really is a lot of good people left in our country.

I decided a long time ago I would make absolutely sure the parent or parents are at fault/involved before I made accusations. I patiently waited for the facts to come out whether it led to their guilt or innocence. I knew there would be plenty of time after then to be highly critical of the parents if it became known they were the wrongdoers and involved.

I just cant do it but that's just me. I know I am responsible for the words I write and I don't want to ever accuse anyone falsely of doing something they are totally innocent of doing. My conscience just want let me go there. The saying of 'sticks and stones may break my bones but words can never hurt me' is flat out wrong, imo. Emotional scars from abusive words said run much much deeper than physical scars ever will and they are much harder to heal.

As Tricia has told us from time to time to remember we own what we write. She knows all too well how powerful written words can be. That is why she and the Mods are often telling us we must all abide by TOS. It not only protects WS but they are trying to protect all of us as well.

You have a very kind heart and it shows Jenves.

My heart is breaking for this entire family. As I have posted before........this was to be one of the happiest times of their lives where beautiful memories are meant to last for a lifetime...........now they take their little boy home for his last ride and this time he will be in a tiny little casket to be laid to rest. I cant even begin to comprehend the tremendous pain and grief his mommy and daddy are feeling along with his siblings.

May he rest in eternal peace!

 

[LaborDayRN]

Perhaps these pics are a tad misleading? Do we have images of nighttime pics & how far was this poor child in the water? I've seen various reports!?

And I'm not putting blame anywhere but I do want to see a level of accuracy..

Misleading how? It's just this one mothers experience. Just to be clear, those are pictures of her child, not Lane. I honestly don't know the answers to your other questions. I just thought it was interesting to show that other families felt it was safe at the waters edge as well.

 

[ATasteOfHoney]

When I look at video and photos of that beach area, I keep wondering what the purpose is of having it when there are alligators present. No one should be using it, it's too dangerous. Why not build a low wall and elevate the ground area? Allow people to walk along and look down at the water instead of sitting or standing near it.

It's a vacation area so aesthetics is important. But perhaps safer would be living our lives on concrete or inside a bubble. Fences, barriers, gates, concrete, barbed wire, warning signs, warning labels. Not very appealing. Disney is a business & part of that business derives from aesthetics.

Life includes risks when actions are taken. When man invades natures habitat, there's unforeseen & uncontrollable risks.

That being said, rip poor little guy.

 

[Wellmymymy]

Ironically, a few days before this attack, I saw some wildlife expert say if you are about to get attacked by a gator, your best last-ditch effort is to hit them in the nose or snout. Hope I never have to try this out.

 

[Renee110]

Perhaps these pics are a tad misleading? Do we have images of nighttime pics & how far was this poor child in the water? I've seen various reports!?

And I'm not putting blame anywhere but I do want to see a level of accuracy..

I believe in her post the mom says these pics were taken less than an hour poor Lane was taken.

 

[ATasteOfHoney]

Misleading how? It's just this one mothers experience. Just to be clear, those are pictures of her child, not Lane. I honestly don't know the answers to your other questions. I just thought it was interesting to show that other families felt it was safe at the waters edge as well.

<mod snip> Showing a pic of a kid during daytime sticking his toe barely in the water would appear to be safe & probably was safer than the situation that really occurred.
Just like when defense attorneys like to show us pictures of perpetrators from 10 years ago with their Boy Scout uniform on.
It's purposefully misleading & paints a vision that is not factual.

Moo

 

[ATasteOfHoney]

I believe in her post the mom says these pics were taken less than an hour poor Lane was taken.

Can't be....Lane was taken after 9pm when it was dark.

Moo

 

[Renee110]

Can't be....Lane was taken after 9pm when it was dark.

Moo

Jennifer Venditti says her son was wading in the same spot at Disney&#8217;s Grand Floridian Resort on Tuesday where an alligator grabbed 2-year-old Lane Graves less than an hour later.
http://ktla.com/2016/06/16/mom-shar...on-an-hour-before-alligator-attack-at-disney/

 

[ATasteOfHoney]

Jennifer Venditti says her son was wading in the same spot at Disney&#8217;s Grand Floridian Resort on Tuesday where an alligator grabbed 2-year-old Lane Graves less than an hour later.
http://ktla.com/2016/06/16/mom-shar...on-an-hour-before-alligator-attack-at-disney/

Well it's about 7pm here in Florida now & the lighting looks similar to what is seen in that mom's pic. Her pic is not time stamped so perhaps she's not as accurate as what she thinks? If Lane was taken by the alligator at around 9:30pm, it certainly was well past sundown an hour before.

Moo

 

[LaborDayRN]

<mod snip> Showing a pic of a kid during daytime sticking his toe barely in the water would appear to be safe & probably was safer than the situation that really occurred.
Just like when defense attorneys like to show us pictures of perpetrators from 10 years ago with their Boy Scout uniform on.
It's purposefully misleading & paints a vision that is not factual.

Moo

<mod snip> I wasn't posting the story to make any kind of a point about it being safe at the waters edge. Obviously it wasn't. I believe the sheriff is quoted earlier in the thread as saying that Lane was about a foot into the water, so I agree it is unlike this photo. My point was that other families did walk in the water. There are many photos online (trip advisor in particular) but I can't post the photos for you as they are not MSM. You will have to look on your own if you are interested.

 

[LaborDayRN]

Well it's about 7pm here in Florida now & the lighting looks similar to what is seen in that mom's pic. Her pic is not time stamped so perhaps she's not as accurate as what she thinks? If Lane was taken by the alligator at around 9:30pm, it certainly was well past sundown an hour before.

Moo

911 call came in at 9:15 pm. Sunset tonight is at 8:25 pm.