Found Deceased FL - Madeline Soto, 13, Missing Child Alert, 13500 blk Town Loop Blvd, Orlando, 26 Feb 2024 *arrest* #13

[KooshBall]

I think possibly MS wanted those coins because her and SS took care of Tamagotchi, digital pets. You have to feed and care for them, so maybe she thought it would be fun to flip a coin to decide who has to feed them.

 

[AppleTreeGreen]

A part of me wonders if Maddie was even talking to JS on the night of the February 25th? I recall being a preteen and teenager and often giving my my mom and other relatives the silent treatment when I was angry with them or they had upset me. According to her grandparents, Maddie tearfully dreaded going back home to JS on Saturday and that the next day she was understandably upset and disappointed when she realized that her mother did not get her a birthday gift.

I wouldn’t judge at all or think it is too unexpected if Maddie gave JS the cold shoulder, the silent treatment or a lot of attitude as a result. It would seem like typical adolescent behavior or behavior you would see in parent-child relationships with a lot of tension and strife, IMO.

 

[Inthedetails]

the phone was plugged in a charger at 23:38pm. page 45-46 it did show 'stairs climbed', 31 steps but not who was holding the phone, of course. after it was taken off the charger at 7:04am, there were many many steps. it was turned off at 7:16am so nothing is recorded such as going downstairs where it was 'found by JS' in Madeline's 'space'. then, its turned back on at 10:55am which could only have been done by SS.

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I'm wondering if SS took the phone off the charger at 7:04am because it buzzed or lit up with a notification that Maddie's friend had texted. Maybe that caught his notice and he took action.

I'm thinking she was gone before 7:04am but that's a guess and maybe it happened around then.

jmo

 

[Inthedetails]

A part of me wonders if Maddie was even talking to JS on the night of the February 25th? I recall being a preteen and teenager and often giving my my mom and other relatives the silent treatment when I was angry with them or they had upset me. According to her grandparents, Maddie tearfully dreaded going back home to JS on Saturday and that the next day she was understandably upset and disappointed when she realized that her mother did not get her a birthday gift.

I wouldn’t judge at all or think it is too unexpected if Maddie gave JS the cold shoulder, the silent treatment or a lot of attitude as a result. It would seem like typical adolescent behavior or behavior you would see in parent-child relationships with a lot of tension and strife, IMO.

Perhaps she was angry at JS and maybe one reason was the pointlessness of returning home that night after the party.

Grandma's house was closer to school and it would've been easier on everyone, including the birthday girl, if Maddie spent the night with Grandma. It would've been a drag to go home, imo, to Mom who insists on her sleep and SS who is a creep, just to wake up and head to school.

And, I think the story about a cozy chat on JS's bed after the party is a pack of lies.

jmo

 

[girlhasnoname]

IMO at least daily, if not more often. After all... they are young, giggling, BFF's.

Pg 107 of 896 (BFF interview): She talked to Maddie every day on the phone and would also text her every morning when she woke up. BFF thought it was odd that she did not receive a text from Maddie on Monday, February 26, 2024. When she called on the morning of February 26th, there was no answer.

And something I've said upthread... I would think Maddie would have had her phone with her in room #4, just so she could text/receive a text from her friend first thing in the morning. I'd think her habit was to reach over, grab the phone and text. Not get up, brush your teeth, change your clothes, the find your phone and then text, or reply late to your friend's text. Yet where was her phone? Not in the nightstand in room #4... it was downstairs in her makeshift room. Obvs JMO

She was 12, or maybe even younger. I can most definitely see her moods changing. Heck, it happens even with adults. I can see her totally into him one day, and "I hate him!" the next. Especially a young girl like her with her hormones kicking into gear during puberty, which is what she was likely going through the entire time SS was in her life.

From AI: A young girl's hormones start to change during puberty, which typically begins between the ages of 8 and 13.

She probably had a LOT of up and down days. IMO, more than the average person simply due to JS being her parent, and SS SAing her all through puberty.

JMO

Exactly. Madeline didn't know how to act as a normal 8.9.10.11.12 yo. She'd been subjected to SA and mind manipulation by SS and a complete lack of parental supervision by her own Mother during her most formative years.

Rewards for doing things that even as an 8 yo she might have known or felt were wrong, but it was a way for her to get things most children that age would want. She wanted to use an iPhone, she wanted coins to play a game, etc. and SS was there in her ear telling her it's fine, it's okay.

Madeline probably felt like JS was okay with the situation too as she encouraged SS and Madeline to sleep together so she rest comfortably, so maybe it isn't really all wrong? She was a child, an innocent 8 year old who was subjected to the gross conduct of SS and her brain thoughts and reactions were not comparable to an 8 year old living in a healthy home environment.

Poor Madeline was doomed, she had nobody to protect her and care for her best interests, and she ended up murdered because of that. It's unfathomable, but it's what happened to this young girl who knew nothing different than what she had lived in for years. JS, well I can't comment what I really think of her within TOS rules.

It breaks my heart and I hope SS goes straight to Florida's Death Row, one of the few times I believe in Capital Punishment because there is irrefutable proof of videos of the violations he perpetrated.

JMO

 

[AppleTreeGreen]

Perhaps she was angry at JS and maybe one reason was the pointlessness of returning home that night after the party.

Grandma's house was closer to school and it would've been easier on everyone, including the birthday girl, if Maddie spent the night with Grandma. It would've been a drag to go home, imo, to Mom who insists on her sleep and SS who is a creep, just to wake up and head to school.

And, I think the story about a cozy chat on JS's bed after the party is a pack of lies.

jmo

I agree and it also doesn’t make sense for JS to say she wanted Maddie home that night because she didn’t get to see her when she stayed over at her grandparents and yet after finally getting her daughter home she kicks her out the bedroom, only speaks to her for 30-45 minutes and prioritizes sleep.

What was the point of making Maddie come home that Sunday if JS predicted she was barely going to bond with her due to how tired she was? What real difference did Sunday and Monday make in that case? Couldn’t she have just let Maddie stay with her grandparents that night and then catch up with her daughter after school on Monday?

Also, I am not entirely sure I understand why she felt Maddie needed SS as a babysitter at 12, let alone 13? She is capable enough to walk the dog alone, walk to her grandmother’s office after school alone, both walk away and come back home on her own after having an argument with her mother, have friends come over and be perfectly fine even when the supposed adult supervision barely made an appearance (SS)and walk safely to school with her friends in the morning after JS dropped her off. So why didn’t JS trust her kid to shower and get dressed for bed in the span of two hours?

It is not like the house would be completely empty considering she had two trusted roommates who also cared for Maddie available to check in now and then?

If she was worried about the medicine why not just give it to her when she came home from work? It is not like Maddie wasn’t awake when she got back anyway.

Or just let her stay with her grandparents one more night and let her bring the necessary school items and change of clothes as need be?

Why was SS’ presence there so vital that night when it didn’t lead JS to spending more time with her daughter on Sunday or Monday morning like she said she wanted, he wasn’t even invited to the birthday party nor did he buy Maddie a gift?

I also wonder if it is possible that during the phone call the Saturday before if Maddie had actually told or asked SS not to come back to the house to watch her? She didn’t want to return home that Saturday and perhaps she was so fed up with both JS and SS, who kept enabling each other, she figured out that if she kept SS from returning to Kississime she could kill two birds with one stone by avoiding both interacting SS at all and forcing JS to let her stay with her beloved grandparents another week so that she could have someone watch over her while her mother adjusted to work?

Could that have set SS into the spiral noted by his parents as Maddie rightfully set up barriers and defense mechanisms, like limiting access to herself and her environment by staying with her grandparents? Perhaps she was learning to say no or learning how to protect or advocate for herself in the face of predatory opportunists who have taken advantage of factors in her life that made her vulnerable?

JMO/JMT

 

[Inthedetails]

I agree and it also doesn’t make sense for JS to say she wanted Maddie home that night because she didn’t get to see her when she stayed over at her grandparents and yet after finally getting her daughter home she kicks her out the bedroom, only speaks to her for 30-45 minutes and prioritizes sleep.

What was the point of making Maddie come home that Sunday if JS predicted she was barely going to bond with her due to how tired she was? What real difference did Sunday and Monday make in that case? Couldn’t she have just let Maddie stay with her grandparents that night and then catch up with her daughter after school on Monday?

Also, I am not entirely sure I understand why she felt Maddie needed SS as a babysitter at 12, let alone 13? She is capable enough to walk the dog alone, walk to her grandmother’s office after school alone, both walk away and come back home on her own after having an argument with her mother, have friends come over and be perfectly fine even when the supposed adult supervision barely made an appearance (SS)and walk safely to school with her friends in the morning after JS dropped her off. So why didn’t JS trust her kid to shower and get dressed for bed in the span of two hours?

It is not like the house would be completely empty considering she had two trusted roommates who also cared for Maddie available to check in now and then?

If she was worried about the medicine why not just give it to her when she came home from work? It is not like Maddie wasn’t awake when she got back anyway.

Or just let her stay with her grandparents one more night and let her bring the necessary school items and change of clothes as need be?

Why was SS’ presence there so vital that night when it didn’t lead JS to spending more time with her daughter on Sunday or Monday morning like she said she wanted, he wasn’t even invited to the birthday party nor did he buy Maddie a gift?

I also wonder if it is possible that during the phone call the Saturday before if Maddie had actually told or asked SS not to come back to the house to watch her? She didn’t want to return home that Saturday and perhaps she was so fed up with both JS and SS, who kept enabling each other, she figured out that if she kept SS from returning to Kississime she could kill two birds with one stone by avoiding both interacting SS at all and forcing JS to let her stay with her beloved grandparents another week so that she could have someone watch over her while her mother adjusted to work?

JMO/JMT

The whole thing about SS getting MS ready for bed or overseeing the process is weird. Not only does a newly-turned 13yo not need help (other than reminders, at most), what grown man even wants to!? Most guys are not tuned into bedtimes routines for little kids (hence the trope of dad getting the kids riled up with wrestling games before bed when mom is exhausted and just wants quiet)....let alone for a tween/teen. And he isn't even the dad but mom's ex-boyfriend.

I can't help but wonder if those conversations about the bedtime routine were coded words. Why is he texting JS about her kid's meds and showers? In this particular case, that's weird.

jmo

 

[Pruddennce]

It's possible her phone battery had died while at the party and didn't get plugged in to charge til after she got home. But seems unlikely.

there was movement on her phone at 10:09pm, 9 steps taken and 11:19pm 31 steps. so it appears the battery had juice.

at 11:38pm it was connected to the charger.

LE tracked her phone health app starting at 8:30pm around the time she would be coming home from the party. they did not release any usage info prior to 8:30pm on the 25th.

if her phone was with her at the party, LE did not chron any info as to its status as being on or off during that time. all we know is she was dropped off between IIRC 8:30-8:45pm and the health app isnt tracking upon arrival home until 10:09pm, 9 steps taken.

if Madeline's phone was with her at the party, and it was turned off, I would think LE would list the time it was turned back on when she got home for it to register those 9 steps.

 

[charminglane]

What newly 13 year old girl turns her phone off at all?
Especially at her own birthday party, where she might want to use her camera?

 

[PawneeDew]

A part of me wonders if Maddie was even talking to JS on the night of the February 25th? I recall being a preteen and teenager and often giving my my mom and other relatives the silent treatment when I was angry with them or they had upset me. According to her grandparents, Maddie tearfully dreaded going back home to JS on Saturday and that the next day she was understandably upset and disappointed when she realized that her mother did not get her a birthday gift.

I wouldn’t judge at all or think it is too unexpected if Maddie gave JS the cold shoulder, the silent treatment or a lot of attitude as a result. It would seem like typical adolescent behavior or behavior you would see in parent-child relationships with a lot of tension and strife, IMO.

Her mother didn't get her a Birthday gift???

 

[Gemmie]

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I'm wondering if SS took the phone off the charger at 7:04am because it buzzed or lit up with a notification that Maddie's friend had texted. Maybe that caught his notice and he took action.

If that's the case, I'm thinking that would fit in very well in LE's timeline. Like... did an unanswered call come in from her BFF because 1 minute later is when 113 steps were taken. The first of the day I might add.

02/26/2024 at 0705 hours - 113 steps

02/26/2024 at 0715 hours- 50 steps

Source is an old post HERE.

 

[callmehenry]

Her mother didn't get her a Birthday gift???

Nope! How terribly sad for poor madeleine. Her birthday and I’m not even sure her mom cared that much imo

 

[AppleTreeGreen]

Her mother didn't get her a Birthday gift???

According to one of Orange County’s Incident Reports detailing a interview with one of Maddie’s best friend Maddie was disappointed that she didn’t receive a lot or enough money for her birthday and didn’t any money as a birthday gift from her mother JS.

To be fair though, perhaps I assumed wrongly meant Maddie didn’t receive any type of gift from JS when it is possible that perhaps she received something else?

 

[Pruddennce]

I agree and it also doesn’t make sense for JS to say she wanted Maddie home that night because she didn’t get to see her when she stayed over at her grandparents and yet after finally getting her daughter home she kicks her out the bedroom, only speaks to her for 30-45 minutes and prioritizes sleep.

What was the point of making Maddie come home that Sunday if JS predicted she was barely going to bond with her due to how tired she was? What real difference did Sunday and Monday make in that case? Couldn’t she have just let Maddie stay with her grandparents that night and then catch up with her daughter after school on Monday?

Also, I am not entirely sure I understand why she felt Maddie needed SS as a babysitter at 12, let alone 13? She is capable enough to walk the dog alone, walk to her grandmother’s office after school alone, both walk away and come back home on her own after having an argument with her mother, have friends come over and be perfectly fine even when the supposed adult supervision barely made an appearance (SS)and walk safely to school with her friends in the morning after JS dropped her off. So why didn’t JS trust her kid to shower and get dressed for bed in the span of two hours?

It is not like the house would be completely empty considering she had two trusted roommates who also cared for Maddie available to check in now and then?

If she was worried about the medicine why not just give it to her when she came home from work? It is not like Maddie wasn’t awake when she got back anyway.

Or just let her stay with her grandparents one more night and let her bring the necessary school items and change of clothes as need be?

Why was SS’ presence there so vital that night when it didn’t lead JS to spending more time with her daughter on Sunday or Monday morning like she said she wanted, he wasn’t even invited to the birthday party nor did he buy Maddie a gift?

I also wonder if it is possible that during the phone call the Saturday before if Maddie had actually told or asked SS not to come back to the house to watch her? She didn’t want to return home that Saturday and perhaps she was so fed up with both JS and SS, who kept enabling each other, she figured out that if she kept SS from returning to Kississime she could kill two birds with one stone by avoiding both interacting SS at all and forcing JS to let her stay with her beloved grandparents another week so that she could have someone watch over her while her mother adjusted to work?

Could that have set SS into the spiral noted by his parents as Maddie rightfully set up barriers and defense mechanisms, like limiting access to herself and her environment by staying with her grandparents? Perhaps she was learning to say no or learning how to protect or advocate for herself in the face of predatory opportunists who have taken advantage of factors in her life that made her vulnerable?

JMO/JMT

as you pointed out she can walk from school to gm's, etc. AND, more importantly, JS's 'early bird bedtime and morning' roommate N and son would already be home, Madeline would not be ALONE.

I think back on the original 'missing statements' written down by LE: SS (notated as stepfather by LE) PICKED HER UP and took her to school. listening to their media interviews, both were very careful not to talk about the morning. there was no waking up, etc. IMO, the original story they began with deliberately omitted SS being there overnite.

JS originally lying about seeing her at 8am in her written statement and initially used the term 'we' dropped her off:

-both of their written statements avoid waking up:

JS writes bare bones info for the missing report: "Today around 8am I saw Madeline getting ready for school. Im not sure what time they departed. SS took her to school and dropped her off close to school......"<----- as an aside, uses the word departed??????
-his written statement: first sentence: "Dropped off about a block from school sometime around 8:20-8:45am."

IMO, I sometimes think that Madeline was not expecting him that nite, and was relieved. was it going to be the original story that he showed up in the morning to take her to school but roommate A was a witness hearing sounds in Room #4 and then seeing him several times in the morning....so they had to amend the story...which of course revealed her lie.

IMO Madeline might have been caught off guard because her aunt said she was happy when she dropped her off. if she was crying to gm about going home on saturday, something changed when her party was concluded and she was ok. and this: roommate N's statement said she didnt even KNOW SS was there and stayed the nite OR that Madeline spent the nite there. I find that really odd she had no idea Madeline was home (she explains, she keeps the TV ON LOUD). hmmm.

 

[Pruddennce]

According to one of Orange County’s Incident Reports detailing a interview with one of Maddie’s best friend Maddie was disappointed that she didn’t receive a lot or enough money for her birthday and didn’t any money as a birthday gift from her mother JS.

To be fair though, perhaps I assumed wrongly meant Maddie didn’t receive any type of gift from JS when it is possible that perhaps she received something else?

IIRC, the bestie originally thought she was not happy because JS wasnt there to celebrate. not that Madeline said it to her, she just 'thought' that. I cant recall her referencing JS not gifting her. her bestie said Madeline was perturbed with her about giving her a BD gift instead of money.

there was never any statement by JS or anyone else that JS celebrated with Madeline on her actual birthday, Feb 22 or any day the previous week.

 

[AppleTreeGreen]

IIRC, the bestie originally thought she was not happy because JS wasnt there to celebrate. not that Madeline said it to her, she just 'thought' that. I cant recall her referencing JS not gifting her. her bestie said Madeline was perturbed with her about giving her a BD gift instead of money.

there was never any statement by JS or anyone else that JS celebrated with Madeline on her actual birthday, Feb 22 or any day the previous week.

Maybr you’re right. I interpreted it as Maddie confiding to her friends that she was upset about not getting enough money for her birthday and JS also not gifting her money that year even though it was common for her to receive such as a gift.

 

[PawneeDew]

as you pointed out she can walk from school to gm's, etc. AND, more importantly, JS's 'early bird bedtime and morning' roommate N and son would already be home, Madeline would not be ALONE.

I think back on the original 'missing statements' written down by LE: SS (notated as stepfather by LE) PICKED HER UP and took her to school. listening to their media interviews, both were very careful not to talk about the morning. there was no waking up, etc. IMO, the original story they began with deliberately omitted SS being there overnite.

JS originally lying about seeing her at 8am in her written statement and initially used the term 'we' dropped her off:

-both of their written statements avoid waking up:

JS writes bare bones info for the missing report: "Today around 8am I saw Madeline getting ready for school. Im not sure what time they departed. SS took her to school and dropped her off close to school......"<----- as an aside, uses the word departed??????
-his written statement: first sentence: "Dropped off about a block from school sometime around 8:20-8:45am."

IMO, I sometimes think that Madeline was not expecting him that nite, and was relieved. was it going to be the original story that he showed up in the morning to take her to school but roommate A was a witness hearing sounds in Room #4 and then seeing him several times in the morning....so they had to amend the story...which of course revealed her lie.

IMO Madeline might have been caught off guard because her aunt said she was happy when she dropped her off. if she was crying to gm about going home on saturday, something changed when her party was concluded and she was ok. and this: roommate N's statement said she didnt even KNOW SS was there and stayed the nite OR that Madeline spent the nite there. I find that really odd she had no idea Madeline was home (she explains, she keeps the TV ON LOUD). hmmm.

Moo, seems to me that a lot of circumstancial evidence against JS.....I need to see an arrest soon and justice for Madeline.
Eta. Imo, there's absolutely (evidence?) suggesting JS and SS were on the same 'team' and covered for each other. Maybe that's why Maddie was upset? Moo, she knew her mother would side with SS and not her.....Moo, maybe gang up on Maddie?
Also wanted to add; imo, that's so messed up!

 

[Gemmie]

According to one of Orange County’s Incident Reports detailing a interview with one of Maddie’s best friend Maddie was disappointed that she didn’t receive a lot or enough money for her birthday and didn’t any money as a birthday gift from her mother JS.

What the interview said was she didn't get enough money, nor any money from a short redacted name. I've always thought that redaction was her mom, but it just dawned on me unless that redacted name is 'Jenn', it has to be someone else as that redaction is so short (~4 characters long). I supposed the BFF could have said 'Jenn', which is what the interviewer took down, but usually I've seen JS's name longer, meaning it would have been spelled out 'Jennifer'.

Pg 107 of 896:

For example, in the same interview/page... the BFF obviously calls her Jennifer, not Jenn, as the redaction is longer. JMO

 

[Gemmie]

IIRC, the bestie originally thought she was not happy because JS wasnt there to celebrate. not that Madeline said it to her, she just 'thought' that. I cant recall her referencing JS not gifting her. her bestie said Madeline was perturbed with her about giving her a BD gift instead of money.

there was never any statement by JS or anyone else that JS celebrated with Madeline on her actual birthday, Feb 22 or any day the previous week.

I couldn't find in the 896 data dump where her BFF said Maddie was unhappy because JS wasn't there. She did say she was unhappy because it was well advertised and hardly anyone attended. Pg 113:

BFF stated that Maddie was upset at her birthday party because she advertised it well but that not many people showed up nor did many bring presents.

 

[Teche]

DBM