Found Deceased FL - Madeline Soto, 13, Missing Child Alert, 13500 blk Town Loop Blvd, Orlando, 26 Feb 2024 *arrest* #13

[Gemmie]

But I think what he probably meant was JS started the family bed. And that much is true, family bed predated SS. Whether JS started that because SHE needed MS beside her or if it was a misguided way to protect her, JS has some ugly ownership in that. Letting an unrelated adult man sleep in the same bed, granted with her in it, with her very young daughter. But SS has full culpability here. He should have refused. At a minimum, JS should have been always between them. But serious boundary issues all around, to put it mildly.

SBMFF

As far as starting the family bed... You KNOW SS was having the same "reaction" in the morning with Maddie snuggled up against him like he told his ex-GF when he was fishing (IMO) for new prey. Hard to imagine (excuse the unintended pun there) that she never noticed that was happening when Maddie was snuggled against him.

And I've brought it up before... why in the world didn't JS sleep in the middle?!?! That way Maddie wouldn't have been up against him.

 

[Megnut]

SBMFF

As far as starting the family bed... You KNOW SS was having the same "reaction" in the morning with Maddie snuggled up against him like he told his ex-GF when he was fishing (IMO) for new prey. Hard to imagine (excuse the unintended pun there) that she never noticed that was happening when Maddie was snuggled against him.

And I've brought it up before... why in the world didn't JS sleep in the middle?!?! That way Maddie wouldn't have been up against him.

I know. Awful. Dereliction of duty, of the highest order. It's truly appalling.

So how does this happen? We know it happens. We even know, as hou highlight it, SS was getting a feel for this new lady's boundaries. He's a predator. And a predator can't prey without access to prey. Lazy and patient, 1000 nights nothing happens. Maybe nothing ever happened in that (beyond wholesale, gross boundary violations -- boiling the frog), and JS, for reasons that are unfathomable, decided he was trustworthy and never ever even once reevaluated. And that is insanity.

But here we are.

JS, sadly, was an easy target. SS didn't even have to work to get and maintain access, always finding a way back in. And sadly, like too many, JS relied on externals to alert her to trouble, then deflected those alarms, ultimately putting the responsibility on SS, the pedophile, to self-report or MS, the victim, to tell the very thing the pedophile groomed her not to tell.

Like lighting a fire and asking it not to burn.

JMO

 

[Pruddennce]

Not to be that guy but it’s not really shocking SS’s parents are trying to throw JS under the bus. I would even say that it’s understandable and the average person would agree with it. The two “options” are:

1. They know the goose of the monster son they created, failed to try to stop, or enabled is cooked and in an effort to continue burying their heads in the sand and/or enabling the monster, they’re throwing JS under the bus.
2. While not directly trying to defend or downplay their son’s actions, they don’t want someone else who they believe has culpability to get away without repercussions as well.
3. Some combo of the above two.

Family wants to protect its own even beyond all comprehension sometimes. But even if you were someone who “tried” to fix your monster relative and did not make excuses for them…would you want another party you believed was also culpable to get away? MOO.

I agree. CS and DS said it more than once their son is a liar, but they vacillate between that and finding excuses. they do not want him to be alone in culpability. I can see how they want to hold JS responsible for setting up a situation that was dangerous for Madeline but was it a case of them really not knowing Madeline was at risk for SA by their son? OR: were they aware of SS's predilections and knew JS was aware as well?

his mother stated she confronted JS about the sleeping arrangements which she says she heard from Madeline herself. she claims that the few times they stayed at their home, Madeline slept with her. Im wondering why she felt strongly about separating Madeline from SS and JS at bedtime. is it simply 'not right' or...

IMO, SS and JS are alike. they cant hold jobs, battling mental health issues which caused them to be high maintenance (JS's ex explained that strain), taking medications which perhaps were at times self-medicating and not as prescribed. IMO. it appears his parents wanted someone with SS who would oversee him, take care of him like they have which is what they have been doing all of his life, emotionally AND financially. IMO obviously, JS was not that person.

Im looking at dates and this call that was released was on May 13th. looking back on the LE narrative, SS calls his dad on April 10. his father then called LE on April 11 advising he found a hard drive in his storage unit. (turns out not relevant). he was also turning over thumb drives (Im still not sure where CS found them). in this narrative, CS also states to LE he found the watch in the storage unit, a watch which SS previously said was in his bedroom.

so fast forward to this released audio call in May and SS is asking if they found the watch. why didnt CS tell SS they found the watch in the storage unit? again, why is CS holding back this info from SS and CS dancing all around these 'toy containers' that SS mentioned in that call?

page 49 SS calls CS - CS calls LE about storage unit, drive and watch

https://www.scribd.com/document/761331151/24001809-Stephen-Sterns-Documents-released-by-Kissimmee-PD-regarding-the-investigation-into-Madeline-Sotos-murder

 

[wcsleuth]

I agree. CS and DS said it more than once their son is a liar, but they vacillate between that and finding excuses. they do not want him to be alone in culpability. I can see how they want to hold JS responsible for setting up a situation that was dangerous for Madeline but was it a case of them really not knowing Madeline was at risk for SA by their son? OR: were they aware of SS's predilections and knew JS was aware as well?

his mother stated she confronted JS about the sleeping arrangements which she says she heard from Madeline herself. she claims that the few times they stayed at their home, Madeline slept with her. Im wondering why she felt strongly about separating Madeline from SS and JS at bedtime. is it simply 'not right' or...

IMO, SS and JS are alike. they cant hold jobs, battling mental health issues which caused them to be high maintenance (JS's ex explained that strain), taking medications which perhaps were at times self-medicating and not as prescribed. IMO. it appears his parents wanted someone with SS who would oversee him, take care of him like they have which is what they have been doing all of his life, emotionally AND financially. IMO obviously, JS was not that person.

Im looking at dates and this call that was released was on May 13th. looking back on the LE narrative, SS calls his dad on April 10. his father then called LE on April 11 advising he found a hard drive in his storage unit. (turns out not relevant). he was also turning over thumb drives (Im still not sure where CS found them). in this narrative, CS also states to LE he found the watch in the storage unit, a watch which SS previously said was in his bedroom.

so fast forward to this released audio call in May and SS is asking if they found the watch. why didnt CS tell SS they found the watch in the storage unit? again, why is CS holding back this info from SS and CS dancing all around these 'toy containers' that SS mentioned in that call?

page 49 SS calls CS - CS calls LE about storage unit, drive and watch

https://www.scribd.com/document/761331151/24001809-Stephen-Sterns-Documents-released-by-Kissimmee-PD-regarding-the-investigation-into-Madeline-Sotos-murder

BBM
In an interview, I remember DS saying that JS and SS would sleep in SS' bed while MS was relegated to the floor. The room was filthy so DS would allow MS to sleep with her in the bed.

 

[sunspun]

BBM
In an interview, I remember DS saying that JS and SS would sleep in SS' bed while MS was relegated to the floor. The room was filthy so DS would allow MS to sleep with her in the bed.

And where would CS sleep while MS was sleeping with DS in her bed? Or did Stephan's parents not sleep together in the same bed??

 

[ttjo]

And where would CS sleep while MS was sleeping with DS in her bed? Or did Stephan's parents not sleep together in the same bed??

They talked about it in one of the interviews, that snoring was a problem. They did mention sleeping separately but I cant remember the details. I can try and find which interview it was if you want to know exactly what was said.

 

[AnyNameIWish]

And where would CS sleep while MS was sleeping with DS in her bed? Or did Stephan's parents not sleep together in the same bed??

CS and DS are 'sleep divorced', as they said. The unit is happiest in separate bedrooms for sleeping.

I hadn't heard this term until DS said it in the interview.

 

[ttjo]

And where would CS sleep while MS was sleeping with DS in her bed? Or did Stephan's parents not sleep together in the same bed??

here is the part about being sleep divorced, 12:43 to 14:00

 

[Pruddennce]

I know. Awful. Dereliction of duty, of the highest order. It's truly appalling.

So how does this happen? We know it happens. We even know, as hou highlight it, SS was getting a feel for this new lady's boundaries. He's a predator. And a predator can't prey without access to prey. Lazy and patient, 1000 nights nothing happens. Maybe nothing ever happened in that (beyond wholesale, gross boundary violations -- boiling the frog), and JS, for reasons that are unfathomable, decided he was trustworthy and never ever even once reevaluated. And that is insanity.

But here we are.

JS, sadly, was an easy target. SS didn't even have to work to get and maintain access, always finding a way back in. And sadly, like too many, JS relied on externals to alert her to trouble, then deflected those alarms, ultimately putting the responsibility on SS, the pedophile, to self-report or MS, the victim, to tell the very thing the pedophile groomed her not to tell.

Like lighting a fire and asking it not to burn.

JMO

JS didnt evaluate or revaluate.....she used him. IMO

consider this: JS LE interview:

her being asked why she doesnt question SS as to where he was or went or why....the end result how she 'deals' with SS is shown below, who according to her is not the smartest man... interesting statement since this not very smart man was able to pull off SA'g Madeline for years and she is now deceased AND he was able to exit the home with her, dump her belongings and eventually place her body elsewhere. if he is not very smart, who helped him?

LE: do what he does? meaning?
JS: Im sorry...
LE: you said "I let him do what he does"...what does that mean?
JS: yeah...if he wants to just get up and go to the store I'll ask where you're going but I won't stop him just let him go on his way um just let I'll let him do what he wants to do

 

[arielilane]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1851491219022757909

NEW Jail Call: Stephan Sterns & Parents | Madeline Soto Murder​

 

[ttjo]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1851491219022757909

NEW Jail Call: Stephan Sterns & Parents | Madeline Soto Murder​

Sorry if this is a stupid question, but I have never heard the term " dick punch" I have heard gut punch( hurt) sucker punch ( blindsided) , all slangs and all have different meanings around being surprised.
Does "dick punch" mean anything specific? Ive looked it up in the urban dictionary and it's not clear, just wondering if using that term has any significance or if it's just another term for feeling surprised?
That phrase coupled with "I didnt start it" or " I wouldn't have wanted this for Maddie" makes me wonder about what really happened and a 1st degree charge made it feel like a "dick punch" Could dick punch mean a betrayal? or could it mean throwing the book at him by police? It may mean nothing, but thats why I am asking for opinions.

 

[Gemmie]

Sorry if this is a stupid question, but I have never heard the term " dick punch" I have heard gut punch( hurt) sucker punch ( blindsided) , all slangs and all have different meanings around being surprised.
Does "dick punch" mean anything specific? Ive looked it up in the urban dictionary and it's not clear, just wondering if using that term has any significance or if it's just another term for feeling surprised?
That phrase coupled with "I didnt start it" or " I wouldn't have wanted this for Maddie" makes me wonder about what really happened and a 1st degree charge made it feel like a "dick punch" Could dick punch mean a betrayal? or could it mean throwing the book at him by police? It may mean nothing, but thats why I am asking for opinions.

Personally I think it means the same as a gut punch, but a dick punch is his crude way of saying it.

Slang dictionary says

Urban Dictionary: Punch in the dick

A punch, slap, reverse spank, flick, or swat at the genital area of a man or woman. The authority of the hit is not important, as it will take some time for the victim to completely feel the effects.

www.urbandictionary.com

Another says:

Spoiler: Using a Spoiler so it's not censored

Source: Urban Dictionary: punch dick

 

[ttjo]

same video as above just the whole video.

 

[Megnut]

@Seattle1 posted this to the media thread and I just watched it. O.M.G.

At the very end of this 16 minute video, YIKES.

In December of 2023, MS texted SS about coins that Amazon sells. "We need these." They're coins for taking turns parenting a baby.

Could she have been pregnant that far back? Was he manipulating her into thinking they were going to be a family? Run off when she turned 13? How many ways did SS infect her innocent head????? Usually we think of these predators using the internet to catfish. SS was right there under the roof. Had he convinced MS they were in a relationship? He is so messed up.

Whether she was or wasn't, it might be why he killed her.

JMO

https://twitter.com/x/status/1851693048901833048

 

[shetalksinstereo]

@Seattle1 posted this to the media thread and I just watched it. O.M.G.

At the very end of this 16 minute video, YIKES.

In December of 2023, MS texted SS about coins that Amazon sells. "We need these." They're coins for taking turns parenting a baby.

Could she have been pregnant that far back? Was he manipulating her into thinking they were going to be a family? Run off when she turned 13? How many ways did SS infect her innocent head????? Usually we think of these predators using the internet to catfish. SS was right there under the roof. Had he convinced MS they were in a relationship? He is so messed up.

Whether she was or wasn't, it might be why he killed her.

JMO

https://twitter.com/x/status/1851693048901833048

I don't think she was pregnant, even with her interest in these coins. I think it was more about asking permission for things from SS and JS.

 

[Gemmie]

@Seattle1 posted this to the media thread and I just watched it. O.M.G.

At the very end of this 16 minute video, YIKES.

In December of 2023, MS texted SS about coins that Amazon sells. "We need these." They're coins for taking turns parenting a baby.

Could she have been pregnant that far back? Was he manipulating her into thinking they were going to be a family? Run off when she turned 13? How many ways did SS infect her innocent head????? Usually we think of these predators using the internet to catfish. SS was right there under the roof. Had he convinced MS they were in a relationship? He is so messed up.

Whether she was or wasn't, it might be why he killed her.

JMO

https://twitter.com/x/status/1851693048901833048

Holy moly. I've always wondered if she was pregnant from the get go. Especially since I thought her dress looked a little poofy/drapey (not from her belly poofing it out, but just a poofy/drapey style). Also because as I have posted upthread... she did this odd belly clutching thing in her party video which really made me question whether or not she was pregnant. And yes, she could have been pregnant that far back. He left in Nov or Dec according to several documents, one being the 896 pg data dump.

Pg 341: Stephan had moved out of the home in the later part of 2023 (November/December).

And...

Some women may begin noticing the first early signs of pregnancy a week or two after conception, while others will start to feel symptoms closer to four or five weeks after conception. Some women may not feel symptoms until their period is noticeably late, or even farther into pregnancy. SOURCE

A baby bump can start showing around 4 months, depending on the woman. SOURCE

Four months is usually reason to celebrate: You’re feeling better, people know you’re pregnant and are asking you a million exciting questions, and you may even be seeing the beginnings of a bona fide baby bump.

4 Months Pregnant: Symptoms, Belly, Baby’s Development, More

Being 4 months pregnant is reason to celebrate: You’re feeling better, and you may even have a baby bump. What else can you expect? We’ll clue you in.

www.healthline.com

And... keep in mind JS told LE in her interview that she kept pregnancy tests under her bathroom sink. Sure, they could have been for her, but then again, they could have been for Maddie4.

So let's say it was 11/1 for argument's sake... She could have known by 12/16, which is the date of the "coin" text. That could have put her at about 6.5 weeks. As of 2/26 she could have been 18.5 weeks, or approximately 4.5 months.

From your posted video. Note that she said "WE need this", and "get it for US":

Poofy/drapey dress style, which can hide any baby bumps:

SOURCE

Video SS source to keep things together:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1851693048901833048

 

[IzzyBlanche]

I don't think Madeline wanted SS to buy the coins because she was pregnant.

But I think it's possible that she wanted them because SS was laying the groundwork for a Woody Allen situation.

This is all JMO.

 

[Pruddennce]

I don't think Madeline wanted SS to buy the coins because she was pregnant.

But I think it's possible that she wanted them because SS was laying the groundwork for a Woody Allen situation.

This is all JMO.

IMO I believe that there was a 'possibility' which put SS in a whirlwind on saturday when he was looking for meds at his parents house....his mother said Madeline called, but she didnt talk to her to know that for sure.

Madeline's mindset from her teacher/counselor who met with her for check-ins 6 times (Sept thru Feb)...Madeline was doing so much better for their monthly check ins, mostly discussed JS, (JS yelling at her about things), said things were better at home and school in Dec Jan and Feb. she had no "unscheduled" visits with her due to panic/anxiety which occurred in the past. she told her she didnt like SS, made her feel uncomfortable, eats all their food and she was glad that SS was moving out...in December. Madeline called him weird.

no commentary:

Madeline texted SS about these coins in December, but she told this counselor she didnt like him and was glad he was moving out. IMO I think we can all agree something happened on saturday in all 3 of their universes. there is only one interview released for JS's mother. she said Madeline was crying and didnt want to go home on saturday. there isnt any follow up question by LE in this interview asking why Madeline was crying. I cant imagine why it wasnt asked. which leads me to believe LE hasnt released all of the interviews. lots of redacted pages.

Im wondering if anything was recovered from Madeline's phone and if anything else was found in her room in written form or on her computer besides the s/explicit drawings in the math book. IMO, Im hoping Madeline left behind alot of missing pieces which is being withheld from the public.

 

[Gracenotes]

The parents may suspect, or even know, that JS has knowledge about, or has contributed towards Maddie's death. They've made several comments to implicate her, just as some of us here have believed. I think the parents, and especially the father, realize their son will be found guilty and is never getting out in their lifetime. He said as much with his comment that the charges he faces are a minimum of 40 years in prison. This tells me they are not in denial and have accepted his guilt, at least for the CSAM, and the murder is more of a mystery for all of us, including his parents.
MOO.

They are the most “rational” parents of a suspect I’ve ever heard. There’s no “oh my poor baby I know you are innocent we will get you out.” Especially the father. The mom is still a mom and as such it’s hard not to think about your child’s well being.

 

[Forest_Wood]

They are the most “rational” parents of a suspect I’ve ever heard. There’s no “oh my poor baby I know you are innocent we will get you out.” Especially the father. The mom is still a mom and as such it’s hard not to think about your child’s well being.

I completely agree with you! Rational is a great word to describe the two of them during this apparent family crisis. I can't figure out the dynamics here. Did they know their son was capable of these crimes all along, and therefore accepted the circumstances right from the date of charges? Or are they so rational in life that they easily came to terms with it quickly.
"Well, you know, the penalty for the crime you've been charged with carries a minimum 40 year sentence. Obviously, we're going to be gone, Rick will be gone, we'll all be gone. We're sad about that obviously because there won't be anybody here for you when you come out."
It's such a rational statement.
MOO.
ETA: Although we all know he won't be getting out.