Found Deceased FL - Madeline Soto, 13, Missing Child Alert, 13500 blk Town Loop Blvd, Orlando, 26 Feb 2024 *arrest* #14

[tlcya]

What Was Stephan Sterns Using the Telegram App For?

 

[Gemmie]

Wasn’t it mentioned near the beginning of the case that SS had an account on some nefarious website (telegram? I might have got the name wrong). If that is correct then I’m pretty sure he wasn’t on there swapping cookie recipes!

Yes, SS was on Telegram at ~ 11:49pm that fateful night. Shortly after JS sent them upstairs, which is why it's my belief he killed her, and then uploaded CSAM on Telegram. And it could have very well been a snuff film. JMO

There's a lot of discussion about that in earlier threads. Searching for Telegram there's a bunch of hits here:

Search results for query: telegram

www.websleuths.com

Note that some are other threads not related to Maddie's case. I can't figure out a way to search for text inside a thread, and search for a different keyword in the thread.

 

[ttjo]

I thought one of the more recent media dumps told us that she was slumped over, but her eyes were open and fixed, and that's how they knew she was dead. Am I misremembering this? Does anyone else remember this? JMO

I can't remember anything about her eyes, but I remember reading her mouth was open. if you do a search in this thread for "rigor Mortis" you will see a discussion about that and how it relates to muscles, Id summarize but there was a lot of discussion , and that it may be the reason they thought she was already deceased. (mouth open in videos)

 

[ttjo]

@Gemmie There you are!!! I was going to tag you in that last post, I knew you would remember.

 

[Gemmie]

I can't remember anything about her eyes, but I remember reading her mouth was open. if you do a search in this thread for "rigor Mortis" you will see a discussion about that and how it relates to muscles, Id summarize but there was a lot of discussion , and that it may be the reason they thought she was already deceased. (mouth open in videos)

I do not recall anything about her eyes being open and fixed. I'd like to think I'd remember a fact like that. She was slumped and hadn't moved from that position after observing her 3 times between 7:50am and 8:31am.

Pg 31 of 896:

I observed a male wearing a red shirt leaving the complex in a 2010 silver Lincoln MKZ through the rear gate at 0750 hours with a female wearing a green sweater in the front seat. This person appeared to be sitting upright with her head slumped over to her left side. At 0819 hours, I observed a male wearing a red shirt enter the complex through the front gate near N. Hoagland Boulevard in the silver Lincoln with someone in the front passenger scat wearing a green sweater and once again slumped over. At 0831 hours, the male wearing a red shirt left the complex in the silver Lincoln MKZ through the rear gate with a female in the front passenger completely slumped over to the left.

 

[Gemmie]

I can't remember anything about her eyes, but I remember reading her mouth was open. if you do a search in this thread for "rigor Mortis" you will see a discussion about that and how it relates to muscles, Id summarize but there was a lot of discussion , and that it may be the reason they thought she was already deceased. (mouth open in videos)

Hey @ttjo. GTSY.

You were right about her mouth.

Pg 35 of 896:

VCS had located a video of Stephan discarding something in the trash compactor located in his apartment complex on February 26, 2024, at 0735 hours. In this video, they observed a female wearing a green sweater in the front passenger seat of the vehicle. The female appeared to be completely slumped over and with her mouth ajar.

 

[ttjo]

<modsnip - personalizing>

Maddie does not deserve any of what happened to her. I have been clear in my belief of that. That is not changed by the possibility that she said or did something, and whatever she said or did made him angry and in that anger he reacted violently and killed her. Murder committed in the heat of the moment is considered legally different than premeditated murder. It does not make him less of a murderer, but if he can sufficiently prove it in a court, it would change his outcome. It is not victim-blaming to say that a victim might have triggered an offender.

The presence or lack thereof of exceptional pressure in strangling MS is evidence with regards to SS’s state while killing her. If his defense is that he did not plan to kill her, but acted in the heat of the moment, which is the hypothetical I was discussing, I would expect the violence to be particularly rage filled and aggressive (overkill). Apologies for starting to get graphic here, but that her hyoid bone was not broken implies to me that MS was not killed with so much strength that it would have occurred quickly, and SS wouldn’t have the time to decide to stop. If he had the time to decide to stop, that means he had the time to form intent, ie. premeditation and not heat of the moment.


I think it’s plenty logical for a person in SS’s situation and with his known history to have participated in the online exchange of CSAM and/or pursue inappropriate relationships online. But with this case in particular, we are aware of tons of evidence. I’ve personally requested evidence from at least three different LE agencies. There has been nothing publicly released that at all points to SS doing anything illegal online. In fact, the then Chief of Kissimmee PD said they believe the abuse was isolated to the home, and no one has ever amended that.



<modsnip - personalizing>

for the record :
According to the Medical Examiner, it appeared the hyoid bone in Madeline's neck had been broken, saying the cause of death was strangulation and the manner of death was homicide.
source: Police reports hint at Madeline Soto's cause of death, her alleged killer's concerning search history

the article above also talks about:
"Part of the report includes details of Google searches allegedly done by Sterns, which included searches for Sevoflurane, described as a "volatile anesthetic" commonly used in surgeries. The report notes it can induce hypnosis and amnesia and cause a person to be unable to move their muscles" it is also used for dogs.

Sevoflurane for Dogs - Drugs.com

Learn about Sevoflurane for Dogs including: active ingredients, directions for use, precautions, and storage information.

www.drugs.com

I get what you mean about him possibly getting set off. it could have been a scream or a struggle and he panicked. Not that she did anything to antagonize or provoke him, it is more about his reaction. Who knows what will come out in court?
I dont think the tox reports have come out yet, so we dont know if she had anything in her system or if after 5 days it would even show up. For all we know, she could have passed out ( OD) from the sevoflurene and the abduction/strangulation story was their cover up?
I never used to think jenn was involved but after those police interviews, she tries too hard to cover his a$$, why?

 

[Gemmie]

for the record :
According to the Medical Examiner, it appeared the hyoid bone in Madeline's neck had been broken, saying the cause of death was strangulation and the manner of death was homicide.
source: Police reports hint at Madeline Soto's cause of death, her alleged killer's concerning search history

That's how I remembered it as well. Here's a few other ways I've seen it said from MSM:

the right portion of Madeline’s hyoid bone “was not intact, which could possibly be related to her being strangled.” Madeline’s death was later officially ruled a homicide by strangulation. SOURCE

the doctor said it was possible that Madeline was strangled, as the right portion of the aforementioned bone "was not intact," SOURCE

the article above also talks about:
"Part of the report includes details of Google searches allegedly done by Sterns, which included searches for Sevoflurane, described as a "volatile anesthetic" commonly used in surgeries. The report notes it can induce hypnosis and amnesia and cause a person to be unable to move their muscles" it is also used for dogs.

Sevoflurane for Dogs - Drugs.com

Learn about Sevoflurane for Dogs including: active ingredients, directions for use, precautions, and storage information.

www.drugs.com

Yanno... every time I I hear something like "unable to move their muscles" in relation to this case it makes me wonder about SS's kinks. Because if he's wanting a person unable to move their muscles, AND he wanted his ex-GF to just lay there "as if she was dead", AND in a lot of the CSAM Maddie appeared to be asleep during it.... it just really begs the question if he had a necro kink IMO.

Pg 75:
REDACTED disclosed that Stephan had a tough time having an erection. REDACTED described one "very weird" occasion where Stephan had her lay face down completely flat, as if she was "dead" and had sexual intercourse with her. REDACTED said that was the only time he was very erect.

https://www.scribd.com/document/761306492/24001896-Stephen-Sterns-Documents-released-by-Kissimmee-PD-regarding-the-investigation-into-Madeline-Sotos-murder

With all that said... I've brought up before why would he be on Telegram at 11:49pm shortly after JS sent them upstairs to sleep? Was it to upload the 'holy grail' to other CSAMers? A snuff video perhaps? It's disgusting to even think about but then again, so is SS and this case.

I get what you mean about him possibly getting set off. it could have been a scream or a struggle and he panicked. Not that she did anything to antagonize or provoke him, it is more about his reaction. Who knows what will come out in court?
I dont think the tox reports have come out yet, so we dont know if she had anything in her system or if after 5 days it would even show up.

I don't know that we'll ever see the tox report as it's part of the autopsy report, which is off-limits to the public when it comes to deceased minor victims of domestic violence.

In cases of domestic violence resulting in death, an autopsy may be conducted to determine the victim’s specific cause of death. Under s. 406.135, F.S., a photograph or video or audio recording of an autopsy held by a medical examiner is confidential and exempt from public record requirements under s. 119.07(1), F.S. and art. 1, s. 24(a), of the Florida Constitution. The exemption provides an exception for a surviving spouse to view and copy a photograph or video recording or to listen to or copy an audio recording of the deceased spouse’s autopsy. If the deceased has no surviving spouse, then his or her surviving parent or adult child may have access to such records. A local governmental entity, or a state or federal agency, may also access such photographs or recordings by making a written request submitted for the purpose of performing an official duty. Additionally, upon a showing of good cause, a court may issue an order authorizing any other person to view or copy a photograph or video recording of an autopsy or to listen to or copy an audio recording of an autopsy under the supervision of the custodian of records and may order any appropriate restrictions or stipulations on such access. If a petition making such a request is filed, the court must provide the surviving spouse or other family member with notice and a copy of the petition and an opportunity to be present and heard at any hearing on the petition. However, current law does not exempt a medical examiner’s written autopsy report from public record requirements. As such, an autopsy report containing graphic details about the nature of the deceased’s injuries may be obtained and publicly shared without the surviving family member’s knowledge or consent

More at the source: https://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2023/273/Analyses/h0273c.EEG.PDF

For all we know, she could have passed out ( OD) from the sevoflurene and the abduction/strangulation story was their cover up?

That's an interesting theory and one I hadn't considered. Hmmm...

 

[ttjo]

That's how I remembered it as well. Here's a few other ways I've seen it said from MSM:

the right portion of Madeline’s hyoid bone “was not intact, which could possibly be related to her being strangled.” Madeline’s death was later officially ruled a homicide by strangulation. SOURCE

the doctor said it was possible that Madeline was strangled, as the right portion of the aforementioned bone "was not intact," SOURCE

Yanno... every time I I hear something like "unable to move their muscles" in relation to this case it makes me wonder about SS's kinks. Because if he's wanting a person unable to move their muscles, AND he wanted his ex-GF to just lay there "as if she was dead", AND in a lot of the CSAM Maddie appeared to be asleep during it.... it just really begs the question if he had a necro kink IMO.

Pg 75:
REDACTED disclosed that Stephan had a tough time having an erection. REDACTED described one "very weird" occasion where Stephan had her lay face down completely flat, as if she was "dead" and had sexual intercourse with her. REDACTED said that was the only time he was very erect.

https://www.scribd.com/document/761306492/24001896-Stephen-Sterns-Documents-released-by-Kissimmee-PD-regarding-the-investigation-into-Madeline-Sotos-murder

With all that said... I've brought up before why would he be on Telegram at 11:49pm shortly after JS sent them upstairs to sleep? Was it to upload the 'holy grail' to other CSAMers? A snuff video perhaps? It's disgusting to even think about but then again, so is SS and this case.

I don't know that we'll ever see the tox report as it's part of the autopsy report, which is off-limits to the public when it comes to deceased minor victims of domestic violence.

In cases of domestic violence resulting in death, an autopsy may be conducted to determine the victim’s specific cause of death. Under s. 406.135, F.S., a photograph or video or audio recording of an autopsy held by a medical examiner is confidential and exempt from public record requirements under s. 119.07(1), F.S. and art. 1, s. 24(a), of the Florida Constitution. The exemption provides an exception for a surviving spouse to view and copy a photograph or video recording or to listen to or copy an audio recording of the deceased spouse’s autopsy. If the deceased has no surviving spouse, then his or her surviving parent or adult child may have access to such records. A local governmental entity, or a state or federal agency, may also access such photographs or recordings by making a written request submitted for the purpose of performing an official duty. Additionally, upon a showing of good cause, a court may issue an order authorizing any other person to view or copy a photograph or video recording of an autopsy or to listen to or copy an audio recording of an autopsy under the supervision of the custodian of records and may order any appropriate restrictions or stipulations on such access. If a petition making such a request is filed, the court must provide the surviving spouse or other family member with notice and a copy of the petition and an opportunity to be present and heard at any hearing on the petition. However, current law does not exempt a medical examiner’s written autopsy report from public record requirements. As such, an autopsy report containing graphic details about the nature of the deceased’s injuries may be obtained and publicly shared without the surviving family member’s knowledge or consent

More at the source: https://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2023/273/Analyses/h0273c.EEG.PDF

That's an interesting theory and one I hadn't considered. Hmmm...

well, that theory is a bit of a stretch, just something I thought about with no evidence other than his searches and his ability to possibly access sevoflurane. For dogs, it seems it's an inhalent, which was interesting to me. Who would have even thought about using that? Wasn't he looking for tranquilizers after the alleged " distressing " phone call?
Take it with a grain of salt it's just some wild theory I came up. Mostly because I still can't wrap my head around Jenn's reactions. Her support of him, and seemingly trying to raise doubt to LE, " She may have not even known about the sevoflurane ( if even used at all) and thinks she was double dosed with her meds? IDK, to me, her reactions felt like she may have been aware of some part of it. For someone whose biggest fear was the "woody Allan thing" she had an odd reaction to the photos she was shown. If that was your biggest fear, I would think she would be hypersensitive and horrified, but instead, she hesitated and couldn't recognize parts at first. Also Stephen trying to imply it was a high human trafficking area ( seed planter) .... as if, and if he believed that why would he drop her off there?? It's like it was just part of his/their narrative.
Totally MOO, not even an opinion, just a thought. @Gemmie correct anything I have wrong .

 

[Gemmie]

She may have not even known about the sevoflurane ( if even used at all) and thinks she was double dosed with her meds? IDK, to me, her reactions felt like she may have been aware of some part of it. For someone whose biggest fear was the "woody Allan thing" she had an odd reaction to the photos she was shown. If that was your biggest fear, I would think she would be hypersensitive and horrified, but instead, she hesitated and couldn't recognize parts at first.

Well, I hate to sound like I'm on Team JS, I'm not, but I can see someone having denial slam the doors shut of reason and logic in their brains as soon as they viewed a pic as she did. Especially since it was an immediate reaction. That wouldn't surprise me at all about human nature. But, given some time I'll bet that door would start to crack open to view what was inside. I can still see her thinking "No... it can't be" (because she doesn't want it to be), but then have nagging doubt about that as time went on. It's like a defense mechanism to protect ourselves from bad things.

It's kinda like how family of killers and/or other horrible actions can be so adamant their son/daughter/husband/wife could NEVER do whatever it is they're accused of. "Not my Johnny!!! He wouldn't hurt a fly!!"... when associates of that person saw the red flags a loved one missed.

JMO!

 

[ttjo]

Well, I hate to sound like I'm on Team JS, I'm not, but I can see someone having denial slam the doors shut of reason and logic in their brains as soon as they viewed a pic as she did. Especially since it was an immediate reaction. That wouldn't surprise me at all about human nature. But, given some time I'll bet that door would start to crack open to view what was inside. I can still see her thinking "No... it can't be" (because she doesn't want it to be), but then have nagging doubt about that as time went on. It's like a defense mechanism to protect ourselves from bad things.

It's kinda like how family of killers and/or other horrible actions can be so adamant their son/daughter/husband/wife could NEVER do whatever it is they're accused of. "Not my Johnny!!! He wouldn't hurt a fly!!"... when associates of that person saw the red flags a loved one missed.

JMO!

I agree shock/denial is a real thing. I gave her that at first, but those police interviews turned me. "are you saying we're looking for a dead body?" and that was after being shown pictures. Her answers did not seem genuine ( to me) not given the circumstances. I was a holdout for her probably longer than most people, but, something is wrong there. When your daughter is missing, do your instincts tell you to stay home and take care of your mental health? ( meds and sleep) Granted I don't know anything about her baseline behavior, but it's the little things that make her behavior seem off to me. I keep thinking about the simplest answer, who wouldn't be out searching? maybe someone who knows more than they are admitting. I can hardly wait for that trial.

 

[Gemmie]

I agree shock/denial is a real thing. I gave her that at first, but those police interviews turned me. "are you saying we're looking for a dead body?" and that was after being shown pictures. Her answers did not seem genuine ( to me) not given the circumstances. I was a holdout for her probably longer than most people, but, something is wrong there. When your daughter is missing, do your instincts tell you to stay home and take care of your mental health? ( meds and sleep) Granted I don't know anything about her but her baseline behavior, but it's the little things that make her behavior seem off to me. I keep thinking about the simplest answer, who wouldn't be out searching? maybe someone who knows more than they are admitting. I can hardly wait for that trial.

One thing that always comes to mind when I read comments like yours is that we're looking at it from our position. I wouldn't put JS in the same mental league as many (all!) of us. She's just.... off/different/has issues/foggy from meds, etc. So when you're dealing with someone that's not 'mentally' the same caliber as you are, I think it's hard to understand why people like her do the things they do, so it's totally understandable why their actions don't make sense. Sure, she could be guilty of something and/or know more than she says, but I think a large part of it is what I said above. At least add that to the mix. lol JMO!

And a comment I want to say about myself and likely a whole lot of you as well... I'm a thinker. I need time to think. My mind is always processing, even after I think I'm done thinking about it, it's still being mulled around in the back of my head subconsciously. So if I got hit with something huge like murder/SA of my child that came out from left field... my immediate reactions and thoughts would be different once I've been given time for the wheels to turn. It's like a puzzle my brain would be completing. I'd be mentally putting pieces together, but that takes time. And during interviews with LE... they are not given time to think. They are hammered over and over and over. A lot of times to break them. It's a tactic.

 

[ttjo]

One thing that always comes to mind when I read comments like yours is that we're looking at it from our position. I wouldn't put JS in the same mental league as many (all!) of us. She's just.... off/different/has issues/foggy from meds, etc. So when you're dealing with someone that's not 'mentally' the same caliber as you are, I think it's hard to understand why people like her do the things they do, so it's totally understandable why their actions don't make sense. Sure, she could be guilty of something and/or know more than she says, but I think a large part of it is what I said above. At least add that to the mix. lol JMO!

And a comment I want to say about myself and likely a whole lot of you as well... I'm a thinker. I need time to think. My mind is always processing, even after I think I'm done thinking about it, it's still being mulled around in the back of my head subconsciously. So if I got hit with something huge like murder/SA of my child that came out from left field... my immediate reactions and thoughts would be different once I've been given time for the wheels to turn. It's like a puzzle my brain would be completing. I'd be mentally putting pieces together, but that takes time. And during interviews with LE... they are not given time to think. They are hammered over and over and over. A lot of times to break them. It's a tactic.

I agree, very true about perspective, thats why I say I dont know what she is normally like. I dont know if its denial that I have an issue with, its more the comments like : "do you want the address to the weed shop so you can look at the cameras?" things like that, like overly helpful but I have forgotten so much already I'd have to rewatch.

 

[Gemmie]

I agree, very true about perspective, thats why I say I dont know what she is normally like. I dont know if its denial that I have an issue with, its more the comments like : "do you want the address to the weed shop so you can look at the cameras?" things like that, like overly helpful but I have forgotten so much already I'd have to rewatch.

I think it's likely a combination of things with JS. I wish more info was forthcoming! Like... where the heck has she been all this time? There's been no JS sightings that I'm aware of.

 

[girlhasnoname]

Well, I hate to sound like I'm on Team JS, I'm not, but I can see someone having denial slam the doors shut of reason and logic in their brains as soon as they viewed a pic as she did. Especially since it was an immediate reaction. That wouldn't surprise me at all about human nature. But, given some time I'll bet that door would start to crack open to view what was inside. I can still see her thinking "No... it can't be" (because she doesn't want it to be), but then have nagging doubt about that as time went on. It's like a defense mechanism to protect ourselves from bad things.

It's kinda like how family of killers and/or other horrible actions can be so adamant their son/daughter/husband/wife could NEVER do whatever it is they're accused of. "Not my Johnny!!! He wouldn't hurt a fly!!"... when associates of that person saw the red flags a loved one missed.

JMO!

I agree with your theory in some cases, except SS and MS had been in an unhealthy boundary relationship with JS's full knowledge, approval, and at times encouragement from the time Madeline was 8 yo. The "Go upstairs and sleep together because I need my rest" is not a normal thing for any Mother to suggest between her off/on again boyfriend and young daughter.

In all the years JS and SS were a 'couple' it's impossible for me to believe she had absolutely no thoughts or suspicions about the relationship SS had with Madeline, there were plenty of red flags over the years. I think she chose to ignore them out of her own selfish convenience verses the welfare of her daughter. She appears detached and had no 'Motherly Instinct' in her body whatsoever to me.

Poor Madeline had no one to protect her best interests and look where we are today.

All JMO

 

[IzzyBlanche]

New body cam footage

 

[IzzyBlanche]

It's always bothered me so much how JS keeps repeating that Maddie "never made it." I've always thought that wording extremely strange. One time maybe, but she uses the phrase over and over.

 

[ttjo]

It's always bothered me so much how JS keeps repeating that Maddie "never made it." I've always thought that wording extremely strange. One time maybe, but she uses the phrase over and over.

same with "close to the school"
b/c she's embarrassed of SS car (which is normal for her) even tho him driving her is not normal nor was the vehicle he was driving. ( not his usual vehicle )
Maddi accidentally left her phone at home ( which is also normal for her) b/c she has adhd and is very forgetful. Stephan pipes in that they are also forgetful, like what he's like matters.
She dismisses a lot of behaviors as being normal for maddi. as if to say " nothing to be alarmed about" Jenn wants to unload her story, with no questions asked and just have it accepted that maddi ran away and then must have been abducted in the process. ( IMO)

and whats up with the runaway text? jenn said that on ( Feb 2) maddi sent texts to a friend stating she wanted to run away. shows the officer her phone , he doesnt see it. He askes her to show him the specific text, but she cant find it now. Both SS and JS can recall the text saying "she was mad at her mom and wanted to run away to the woods when she turned 18." Jenn Minimizes again. " I dont recall getting into a fight and saying that to her, but okay we will go with that" She still can't find it after keyword searching Maddie's phone for" runaway" and "woods". then she needs to call her sister who was the one who went through the phone,
sister calls back and Jenn asks
" I'm looking for a text that said she wanted to run away. Who did she send that to? " Really, Jenn?
she says that SE's dad clarified for us. that the text said "Wouldn't it be fun to go camping in the woods and have a bonfire" running away vs a campout and a bonfire, how did she get that confused?
This is what I mean about her knowing more than she says, she's not in shock. She is way too crafty to be in shock. ( IMO)
Not to mention that she couldnt wait for stephan to get home but left at 2:30 to pick up maddi, and maddi doesnt even get out till 4:04. Plenty of time for her to be seen.
she is such a cluster you know what, its hard to even keep track of all the things that dont make sense. She over explains, like a rehearsed speech.
we dropped her off close to the school because, she wanted to walk because she is embarassed , blah blah blah, and she never made it. Feels like she is explaining the "why" she was dropped there to avoid any scrutiny. she is like stephan, and will explain before you even ask. She also makes sure everyone knows she is so fragile. so don't rattle too much b/c she really needs to take care of her mental health because she doesn't want to go back to being depressed.

 

[girlhasnoname]

same with "close to the school"
b/c she's embarrassed of SS car (which is normal for her) even tho him driving her is not normal nor was the vehicle he was driving. ( not his usual vehicle )
Maddi accidentally left her phone at home ( which is also normal for her) b/c she has adhd and is very forgetful. Stephan pipes in that they are also forgetful, like what he's like matters.
She dismisses a lot of behaviors as being normal for maddi. as if to say " nothing to be alarmed about" Jenn wants to unload her story, with no questions asked and just have it accepted that maddi ran away and then must have been abducted in the process. ( IMO)

and whats up with the runaway text? jenn said that on ( Feb 2) maddi sent texts to a friend stating she wanted to run away. shows the officer her phone , he doesnt see it. He askes her to show him the specific text, but she cant find it now. Both SS and JS can recall the text saying "she was mad at her mom and wanted to run away to the woods when she turned 18." Jenn Minimizes again. " I dont recall getting into a fight and saying that to her, but okay we will go with that" She still can't find it after keyword searching Maddie's phone for" runaway" and "woods". then she needs to call her sister who was the one who went through the phone,
sister calls back and Jenn asks
" I'm looking for a text that said she wanted to run away. Who did she send that to? " Really, Jenn?
she says that SE's dad clarified for us. that the text said "Wouldn't it be fun to go camping in the woods and have a bonfire" running away vs a campout and a bonfire, how did she get that confused?
This is what I mean about her knowing more than she says, she's not in shock. She is way too crafty to be in shock. ( IMO)
Not to mention that she couldnt wait for stephan to get home but left at 2:30 to pick up maddi, and maddi doesnt even get out till 4:04. Plenty of time for her to be seen.
she is such a cluster you know what, its hard to even keep track of all the things that dont make sense. She over explains, like a rehearsed speech.
we dropped her off close to the school because, she wanted to walk because she is embarassed , blah blah blah, and she never made it. Feels like she is explaining the "why" she was dropped there to avoid any scrutiny. she is like stephan, and will explain before you even ask. She also makes sure everyone knows she is so fragile. so don't rattle too much b/c she really needs to take care of her mental health because she doesn't want to go back to being depressed.

Bravo, spot on.

 

[Pruddennce]

That's how I remembered it as well. Here's a few other ways I've seen it said from MSM:

the right portion of Madeline’s hyoid bone “was not intact, which could possibly be related to her being strangled.” Madeline’s death was later officially ruled a homicide by strangulation. SOURCE

the doctor said it was possible that Madeline was strangled, as the right portion of the aforementioned bone "was not intact," SOURCE

Yanno... every time I I hear something like "unable to move their muscles" in relation to this case it makes me wonder about SS's kinks. Because if he's wanting a person unable to move their muscles, AND he wanted his ex-GF to just lay there "as if she was dead", AND in a lot of the CSAM Maddie appeared to be asleep during it.... it just really begs the question if he had a necro kink IMO.

Pg 75:
REDACTED disclosed that Stephan had a tough time having an erection. REDACTED described one "very weird" occasion where Stephan had her lay face down completely flat, as if she was "dead" and had sexual intercourse with her. REDACTED said that was the only time he was very erect.

https://www.scribd.com/document/761306492/24001896-Stephen-Sterns-Documents-released-by-Kissimmee-PD-regarding-the-investigation-into-Madeline-Sotos-murder

With all that said... I've brought up before why would he be on Telegram at 11:49pm shortly after JS sent them upstairs to sleep? Was it to upload the 'holy grail' to other CSAMers? A snuff video perhaps? It's disgusting to even think about but then again, so is SS and this case.

I don't know that we'll ever see the tox report as it's part of the autopsy report, which is off-limits to the public when it comes to deceased minor victims of domestic violence.

In cases of domestic violence resulting in death, an autopsy may be conducted to determine the victim’s specific cause of death. Under s. 406.135, F.S., a photograph or video or audio recording of an autopsy held by a medical examiner is confidential and exempt from public record requirements under s. 119.07(1), F.S. and art. 1, s. 24(a), of the Florida Constitution. The exemption provides an exception for a surviving spouse to view and copy a photograph or video recording or to listen to or copy an audio recording of the deceased spouse’s autopsy. If the deceased has no surviving spouse, then his or her surviving parent or adult child may have access to such records. A local governmental entity, or a state or federal agency, may also access such photographs or recordings by making a written request submitted for the purpose of performing an official duty. Additionally, upon a showing of good cause, a court may issue an order authorizing any other person to view or copy a photograph or video recording of an autopsy or to listen to or copy an audio recording of an autopsy under the supervision of the custodian of records and may order any appropriate restrictions or stipulations on such access. If a petition making such a request is filed, the court must provide the surviving spouse or other family member with notice and a copy of the petition and an opportunity to be present and heard at any hearing on the petition. However, current law does not exempt a medical examiner’s written autopsy report from public record requirements. As such, an autopsy report containing graphic details about the nature of the deceased’s injuries may be obtained and publicly shared without the surviving family member’s knowledge or consent

More at the source: https://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2023/273/Analyses/h0273c.EEG.PDF

That's an interesting theory and one I hadn't considered. Hmmm...

It appears Madeline's bio dad would be entitled to the autopsy report. wondering if he requested it.