Found Deceased FL - Madeline Soto, 13, Missing Child Alert, 13500 blk Town Loop Blvd, Orlando, 26 Feb 2024 *arrest* #14

[Anika]

Guess what woke me up this morning? Lunesta, of all the ironies. Stick with me on this, maybe a bit out there, but I'd certainly be interested in peoples' thoughts: as I was viewing all these recent JS complicity indicators which I hadn't picked up on (but firmly believe are accurate), I also re-watched the video ttjo linked recently where JS is interviewed. She specifically points out that Stephan had access to 1) some anti-anxiety med, and 2) Lunesta. By name. And indicates maybe he was giving them to MS, if I recall correctly (she's spitballing at the investigator's request).

Have you ever been around drug user? I had one acquaintance who'd talk about "visiting Aunt Crystal" when she was going to make her (crystal meth) buy. They make cutesy with it quite often; my guess is that it's either to help normalize it, or to better cover up the activity. I think we have some drug counselors who are posters (edit: NOT "users," sorry!) here, so I don't want to get in someone elses' lanes, but I think it's a common behavior. Another which comes to mind and which was in the media was "Xanny the Nanny," and I think many people have pretty solid theories on what that was about, when Casey Anthony said it re: a nanny that didn't even actually exist. (Xanax)

In either a call or a text (one reference is one I found here, from this forum, (fixed) but I don't know where it is on the Web because I am supposed to be working right now ), SS tells JS that "MS has made her nest for the night."

What sticks out to me about that vs. alllll his other comments re: MS is that it's pretty neutral, almost kind. She's not "shuffling" down the street, she's not "forgetting her head if it wasn't screwed on" (paraphrased). Why would he put it like that? Could that have been code between them for "I've drugged her for the night"? (Nest/Lunesta) Hmmm I wonder. Why would he need to say it? Why not just "She's laid down" or whatever?

Edit to add: It also stuck out to me because JS comes across as a huge flake, doesn't know much about anything for sure. But she knew about the Lunesta by name, and that he had it.

 

[Gemmie]

From images located in the cloud, which they located via his phone iirc.

He thought he covered himself with his "accidental" factory resets. No risk of MENSA with this one.

JMO

That is correct. But, it wasn't just CSAM found on his phone, it was also evidence that it was SS that having sex with Maddie.

From Pg 35 of 896:

After Stephan’s phone had been successfully downloaded the morning of February 28, 2024, Sergeant D. Stamenic within the digital forensics unit contacted Corporal Avila to advise him there was child sexual abuse material (CSAM) on Stephan’s cell phone.
In these pictures, the background was readily identifiable and we were able to determine these incidents occurred at ADDRESS REDACTED Florida. In a picture located on Stephan’s phone, we observed a black mark near the tip of the shaft in a picture of a penis. At this time, the Kissimmee Police Department was advised of the findings, and Detective Corporal Brandon Illgen (KPD) and Detective Mark Morris (KPD) responded to the Central Operations Center. The search warrant for JS’s residence was served on February 28, 2024, at approximately 0800 hours. In the residence, Detectives were able to locate several items observed in the CSAM images located in Stephan’s phone.

 

[ttjo]

European police say KidFlix, "one of the largest pedophile platforms in the world," busted in joint operation

Police in Europe say "one of the largest pedophile platforms in the world" is now offline after a joint operation dismantled the "KidFlix" network.

www.cbsnews.com

The move to shut down the "KidFlix" streaming service was "one of the biggest blows against child in recent years, if not ever," said Guido Limmer, deputy head of the Bavarian Criminal Police.

The investigation was led by German police and supported by authorities in 38 countries, including Australia, Canada and the U.S., under the coordination of Europol.

So glad you posted this, someone from my city was arrested for being part of this ring. These people move fast, already having this new site for distributing CSAM . I have never even heard of kidflix until yesterday.
** just checked Kidflix has been around since 2021. so not that new.
79 people of the 1400 identified have been arrested as of yesterday.

Authorities Taken Down Child Abuse Platform “Kidflix” With 2M+ Users

In one of the largest coordinated law enforcement operations against online child exploitation, authorities have dismantled Kidflix.

cybersecuritynews.com

 

[ttjo]

They really need to start educating kids about this stuff, and schools could send notices home to help educate parents.
Easy enough to say be careful or watch your kids but its not that simple, people need to know what to look for.
I noticed some apps that look like its for kids ( teddy bear thumbnail) are not for kids, They will use a thumbnail of an image that looks like it is a child site., so when your kid asks to download that app it looks like harmless, enough, and they probably bank on parents not checking thoroughly ( for kids who are young anyway) and its that easy for you to unknowingly download a predator site.
It is unbelievable to me to hear about these huge networks that distribute this stuff, that most people have never even heard of. Scary thought, when it is the digital age and most kids are buried in devices.
It's like that wack-a-mole game, you hit one mole on the head and it pops out another hole with a workaround for whatever it got shut down for. its constantly moving, How sick is that? When these pedo people are so quick to find a way to make it available.

 

[ttjo]

In either a call or a text (one reference is one I found here, from this forum, (fixed) but I don't know where it is on the Web because I am supposed to be working right now ), SS tells JS that "MS has made her nest for the night."

What sticks out to me about that vs. alllll his other comments re: MS is that it's pretty neutral, almost kind. She's not "shuffling" down the street, she's not "forgetting her head if it wasn't screwed on" (paraphrased). Why would he put it like that? Could that have been code between them for "I've drugged her for the night"? (Nest/Lunesta) Hmmm I wonder. Why would he need to say it? Why not just "She's laid down" or whatever?

Oh I get it, youre saying that maybe him saying she was in her nest, could be code for LuNESTa, like C.A. used Xany the Nanny for Xanax.
Can you imagine? if that were to be true, it would certainly implicate Jenn.

 

[johnlair]

Great point but if he was profiting would there be a money trail?

Not with cryptocurrency and crypto shuffling services not a chance

 

[ttjo]

Not with cryptocurrency and crypto shuffling services not a chance

Read that article I posted above about that CSAM ring. Must be new technology but it said this :

 

[johnlair]

Read that article I posted above about that CSAM ring. Must be new technology but it said this : View attachment 576132

Thats good news for crime solving definitely.. I think most these rings depend on using crypto so good

 

[Anika]

Oh I get it, youre saying that maybe him saying she was in her nest, could be code for LuNESTa, like C.A. used Xany the Nanny for Xanax.
Can you imagine? if that were to be true, it would certainly implicate Jenn.

Yeah, I'm not sure if we'll ever know (and I know it's a little "out there," but it's certainly not without precedent), but not kidding: that was the first thing I thought about when I woke up!

It's also possible, though I didn't think of it earlier, that it was HIS little inside joke. He's saying it to JS, knowing he knocked MS out, but not necessarily that JS is implicated or in the know. Sort of hiding it in plain sight. Also a possibility. He just never said anything nice about Madeline, so that really stood out to me, in that maybe he wasn't really talking about MS's actions at all (the nest), but rather his own little inside joke, toward which he would not be as condescending.

 

[Cartie]

What sticks out to me about that vs. alllll his other comments re: MS is that it's pretty neutral, almost kind. She's not "shuffling" down the street, she's not "forgetting her head if it wasn't screwed on" (paraphrased). Why would he put it like that? Could that have been code between them for "I've drugged her for the night"? (Nest/Lunesta) Hmmm I wonder. Why would he need to say it? Why not just "She's laid down" or whatever?

I like your way of thinking, hard to prove but I'm buying it

 

[ttjo]

Yeah, I'm not sure if we'll ever know (and I know it's a little "out there," but it's certainly not without precedent), but not kidding: that was the first thing I thought about when I woke up!

It's also possible, though I didn't think of it earlier, that it was HIS little inside joke. He's saying it to JS, knowing he knocked MS out, but not necessarily that JS is implicated or in the know. Sort of hiding it in plain sight. Also a possibility. He just never said anything nice about Madeline, so that really stood out to me, in that maybe he wasn't really talking about MS's actions at all (the nest), but rather his own little inside joke, toward which he would not be as condescending.

Thats right, after I wrote that I thought it doesnt necessarily implicate her. Curious about using the word nest tho? We've never heard of her needing to nest in Jenn's bed, only that she doesnt like to sleep alone.
Still bothers me that if your child has that much anxiety about sleeping alone that it would be something that Jenn would have talked to the therapist about. And maybe she did? 'Ive just never heard about it.

 

[lonetraveler]

Well, he was getting money from somewhere and even his dad wondered about it.

And didn't Gray Hughes report that SS was on some semi-Dark Web site at 11 something pm on the night of Maddie's presumed demise?

I find it difficult to believe that someone in possession of, IIRC, 35,000 images of CSAM was keeping it all to himself.

Sorry if this offends someone but I truly believe that there is a video out there somewhere that shows what people viewing it, a snuff film. I think he overdosed her and then took a video showing him "killing" her. He was faking it until he saw that she had "accidentally" killed her. "went too far" in his words.

 

[ttjo]

Sorry if this offends someone but I truly believe that there is a video out there somewhere that shows what people viewing it, a snuff film. I think he overdosed her and then took a video showing him "killing" her. He was faking it until he saw that she had "accidentally" killed her. "went too far" in his words.

So you think he drugged her and , and then went too far with the strangulation ( while filming?? ) I dont know how much pressure it takes to break a bone that's not attached to anything besides your tongue, That's what's hard to believe. you think youd know youre going too far?

 

[lonetraveler]

So you think he drugged her and , and then went too far with the strangulation ( while filming?? ) I dont know how much pressure it takes to break a bone that's not attached to anything besides your tongue, That's what's hard to believe. you think youd know youre going too far?

Well, but I'm awfully suspicious about the pregnancy tests. I think this case is very similar to my thoughts on Haley Dunn's case.

 

[lonetraveler]

So you think he drugged her and , and then went too far with the strangulation ( while filming?? ) I dont know how much pressure it takes to break a bone that's not attached to anything besides your tongue, That's what's hard to believe. you think youd know youre going too far?

Actually I think it was a plan to cover something else that they couldn't let be known. And yes, I did say 'they'. I don't think they had the intelligence to know that an autopsy would reveal everything.

 

[ttjo]

Well, but I'm awfully suspicious about the pregnancy tests. I think this case is very similar to my thoughts on Haley Dunn's case.

I have heard people say that before. Im not familiar with that case but now I will look it up.

 

[Bipolar Express]

At the end of the day its not normal to send your teenage daughter to go and sleep with your on and off boyfriend. Sleeping with her biological dad would not seem strange with a lack of space but SS ....No in my opinion she knew what was going on and either plainly didn't care until it went too far and he killed her or she profited off whatever income he got from Telegram and the Dark Web... The way that the Dark Web works is with a browser called Tor this can be loaded onto a memory stick or external harddrive an so it keeps any activity completely private... Its good for Whistleblowers but unfortunately scum like pedos or drug dealers take advantage of the anonymous nature of Tor... Strange how his computer didn't have a hard drive and it never showed up isnt it

The idea of a dark web freaks me out. As morbid and curious as I am about what people are up to, I could not go there to look around. No. A techie friend tried to explain how to get on and i was like “nope “! I think jen absolutely knew what was up.

 

[ttjo]

The idea of a dark web freaks me out. As morbid and curious as I am about what people are up to, I could not go there to look around. No. A techie friend tried to explain how to get on and i was like “nope “! I think jen absolutely knew what was up.

I dont know how she couldn't have known, with all her fears and rules but its one thing to think she knew, and another to prove it.

 

[Anika]

I dont know how she couldn't have known, with all her fears and rules but its one thing to think she knew, and another to prove it.

I will always wonder how we got from "I told them no no no, this can't happen very often" ( ) to Madeline being literally forced by JS to sleep with SS -- not even just to sleep in her own cot/on the couch downstairs, but specifically in his bed in Room #4 -- despite Madeline begging JS for them all to sleep together, that one fateful night (most likely in an effort to avoid the continued abuse she knew was coming if he managed to get her alone).

This is why I will always believe JS was complicit. No good parent goes from that first extreme to the other. Not only that, but if she was truly worried about losing him to the Woody Allen scenario, why would she force it? There are few explanations, and none of them good.

If they lived in that condo that whole time (pretty sure they did), then, at some point, there absolutely must have been options for Madeline other than Room #4, when JS apparently needed her sleep. There's no getting around the fact that JS made any/all of those no longer an option by the time of these events, because she specifically forced Madeline to go sleep with SS in Room #4, despite Madeline's pleas to the contrary.

 

[Ladyotm]

They really need to start educating kids about this stuff, and schools could send notices home to help educate parents.
Easy enough to say be careful or watch your kids but its not that simple, people need to know what to look for.
I noticed some apps that look like its for kids ( teddy bear thumbnail) are not for kids, They will use a thumbnail of an image that looks like it is a child site., so when your kid asks to download that app it looks like harmless, enough, and they probably bank on parents not checking thoroughly ( for kids who are young anyway) and its that easy for you to unknowingly download a predator site.
It is unbelievable to me to hear about these huge networks that distribute this stuff, that most people have never even heard of. Scary thought, when it is the digital age and most kids are buried in devices.
It's like that wack-a-mole game, you hit one mole on the head and it pops out another hole with a workaround for whatever it got shut down for. its constantly moving, How sick is that? When these pedo people are so quick to find a way to make it available.

I agree with educating kids about this. Parents have got to provide oversight and maybe block kids from downloading apps. It needs to be on-going. And also to let kids know at the same time, it is not right for anyone to touch them and it is okay to tell 3 adults.