FL - Madeline Soto, 13, Missing Child Alert, 13500 blk Town Loop Blvd, Orlando, 26 Feb 2024 *arrest* #15

[Inthedetails]

This is exactly what Ive been saying!!
If there is no one to help him process and write a proper response then it should be rejected , as it was, it just did further harm. IMO


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These are creepy, cruel, horrible criminals without decency or humanity. We should not expect proper responses from them (including BK up in Idaho). I'm happy SS will be in prison for the rest of his miserable life, unable to harm another child.

Whether he is remorseful or respectful enough, frankly, I don't give a dxxn.

jmopinion

 

[Skigh]

SS His statement to the court was disgusting. Why would the court enable him to make the comments he did about Maddie, couldn’t his statement be checked prior and rejected? Vile that an ABSR of children can be allowed to describe his victim as a joy to him. Out of order imo

I am feeling infuriated,so goodness knows how Madeline's family are feeling.
The whole plea deal was a disgrace.
I hope there is an investigation into how he was permitted to make that speech.

 

[ttjo]

These are creepy, cruel, horrible criminals without decency or humanity. We should not expect proper responses from them (including BK up in Idaho). I'm happy SS will be in prison for the rest of his miserable life, unable to harm another child.

Whether he is remorseful or respectful enough, frankly, I don't give a dxxn.

jmopinion

I understand that, but what i'm saying is if they cant come up with an appropriate response, then he should not be able to give a response that does further harm either. Doesnt anyone check this before hand?
Victims would have been better off he said nothing, Instead he was given the opportunity to basically say hes also a victim.
Its not about him, that is the point, hes supposed to be responding to victim impacts, not giving his own victim impact statement.
I get it you cant make someone feel anything, and I dont expect to get gold from straw, but at least have some controls in place that dont allow him to do further harm, they shouldnt have the right to speak if they're going to do more damage.
Especially someone in his position, who is able to plead no contest and then speak like he was traumatized ( this has torn apart his family) It was shocking to hear his nerve.
What an injustice to the victims and the family.

 

[Slamalam]

At first I was disappointed yesterday that I missed watching this live. On Friday I remembered the case was coming up soon, so I checked in, and I just KNEW that disgusting sleazy dirtbag was going to take a plea bargain to get out of the DP. I’m also relieved I didn’t watch yesterday as I cannot stand to look at him, let alone hear him speak. I would only have hoped for more from the prosecution and judge, similar to Kohberger’s plea hearing. But if that didn’t even happen then I missed nothing. Thanks for everyone who recapped…. though my daughter is now the same age as Maddie when this started and I felt physically ill coming back to this thread.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

 

[Gemmie]

How I wish Maddie had been allowed to live with her Dad. In his statement he showed genuine sorrow and remorse over what happened to his daughter. He showed that he has the love for Maddie that she deserved from JS and SS.

Here's what I woke up thinking about Maddie living with her dad. He had said that he told her that at 13 she could decide which parent she wanted to live with and she said she wanted to live with him. When she turned THIRTEEN which was mere days before she was murdered. Which made me wonder... maybe SS's trigger wasn't that she was pregnant, like so many of us have considered, including myself. Maybe she told SS that she decided to move to TX to live with her father. His prey was leaving him and he snapped.

I have no idea what the trigger was. Pregnancy, moving away, telling him "No more", or something completely different. What I firmly believe though is that something triggered him. And out of all the lies he's said... the 1 thing I believe is true is that he misses Maddie. Well, sadly not Maddie for what she meant to her loved ones... her smile, her laughter, how smart she was, how talented and fun she was, etc... but what he misses is easy access to a young girl. And that is sick. He never cared about her, or her feelings. He only cared about him and HIS feeling.

 

[Gemmie]

I have issue with M being described as 13 years old continually. She was 13 for what, one day? Likely the day she was killed as well! There is a big difference between a 12 and 13 year old and SS took that life step away from her.
Where was the lioness instinct to protect in JS? Disgusting excuse
RIP

She was 13 for 1 week.

Madeline Sophia Soto​

February 22, 2011 - March 1, 2024​

 

[Gemmie]

Perhaps her father gave us the motive. If Maddie had gone to live with her father when she turned 13 and (I'm guessing) could tell the judge which parent she wished to live with:

a. if the judge allowed it, Maddie would be beyond SS's reach, and therefore no longer useful to him;
b. if Maddie had spoken to the judge for a change of custody, she might have said something to alert the authorities of SS's activities OR
c. even is Maddie did not say something in court, once she was away from SS she might have told her father or someone else and SS could/would be in major trouble.

She and her knowledge were too dangerous to SS.

As for the no-contest plea to protect JS. I very much doubt SS would ever protect anyone other than himself. If the murder case had gone to trial, there is no doubt in my mind he would have sworn JS had killed her daughter. The "no contest" plea was completely for himself so he can always pretend his innocence. The state took it because a jury might not have been positive enough to convict, and as a poster pointed out earlier keeping this out of a jury's unpredictable hands was a win.

I suspect SS's life in prison will make him wish for the Death Penalty .

Wow. You posted the same thing that I had been thinking about, at the same time as I laid in bed unable to fall back asleep. And that was that SS's trigger might have been that she told him she was going to go live with her father.

 

[Gemmie]

SS His statement to the court was disgusting. Why would the court enable him to make the comments he did about Maddie, couldn’t his statement be checked prior and rejected? Vile that an ABSR of children can be allowed to describe his victim as a joy to him. Out of order imo

Well, she was a joy to him, but for disgusting reasons, so I agree that it would have been nice to have had that line rejected. His joy was NOT the same joy she gave to all those that wrote their impact statements. Not by far. Yucky excuse for a human being.

 

[Gemmie]

"Take me instead". Well, there is no "instead" because Maddie is gone by his own hands and sadly nothing will bring her back. With that said... there very well could end up an "also" once his fellow prisoners get wind of what he's in for. His life sentence may very well end up a short life sentence if you get my drift.

 

[Skigh]

Well, she was a joy to him, but for disgusting reasons, so I agree that it would have been nice to have had that line rejected. His joy was NOT the same joy she gave to all those that wrote their impact statements. Not by far. Yucky excuse for a human being.

That line was an insult to Madeline and all who know her.
He should have had to have listened to a speech from the judge telling him how despicable he is , and certainly not been allowed to give his own speech.

 

[tlcya]

"Take me instead". Well, there is no "instead" because Maddie is gone by his own hands and sadly nothing will bring her back. With that said... there very well could end up an "also" once his fellow prisoners get wind of what he's in for. His life sentence may very well end up a short life sentence if you get my drift.

I think that is what I found so infuriating. Because it was a no contest on the murder charges, IMO he shouldn't even have been allowed to speak on her death. He never claimed responsibility with a guilty charge so why SHOULD he be allowed to make a statement about it?

He blamed God (please take me instead) as if he himself was not directly responsible for her absence. Nope, not him, he begged God.

She was a joy, just reminds us all of his years of SAing her, we know the disgusting source of the joy she was groomed and coerced into bringing him.

He misses her? Yeah, same thing, he misses what he trained her to allow and put up with, a gross chore she didn't have the capacity to agree to or not.

It's not fair that she's not here anymore, as if he too has been victimized by her untimely passing.

I have nothing but sorrow for her loss, as if she died in a car wreck. He has nothing but sorrow. Not guilt. Not accountability. Just all this passive "sorrow"

He misses her all the time. Yes and we know why

her passing has torn me and my family apart as well, again so passive, as if she just passed away, in her sleep. Her dying has done something to him, not the other way round.

I will miss her all the time, yeah, we get it, we know what you are missing, your perfect built in captive victim.

I will never not honor her memory. Scary thought, HOW will he be honoring her memory, replaying memories of all those moments he caught on camera and probably watched frequently for his own enjoyment?

He apologizes for all the pain. At least he remembered the pain of others was in the room for a brief second he remembered it wasn't all abut him. But even here, he apologizes the pain exists but never admits he and he alone is the cause of all of it.

 

[Seattle1]

As for the no-contest plea to protect JS. I very much doubt SS would ever protect anyone other than himself. If the murder case had gone to trial, there is no doubt in my mind he would have sworn JS had killed her daughter. The "no contest" plea was completely for himself so he can always pretend his innocence. The state took it because a jury might not have been positive enough to convict, and as a poster pointed out earlier keeping this out of a jury's unpredictable hands was a win.

^^rsbm

I thought the opposite -- the no-contest plea was to implicate JS! Did SS want the mother to share in the blame of her only child's death?

I'm not sure what the public is supposed to think now.

The DA read an impact statement on behalf of Maddie's grandmother, and her Dad and Auntie were present and spoke for themselves, but silence from JS? Was JS worthy of immunity granted? I don't think we will ever know. JMO

ETA: From day one, JS's instinct to want to protect SS instead of her child only added fuel to this painful fire. I have to believe that LE got it right here and JS is also living a life sentence of her own-- either in the care of her father, or in a state medical/mental facility.

 

[ttjo]

This part: starts at 1:31

I guess the Judge has to permit him to speak to sentencing, so its not just about responding to their victim impact statements. I guess thats the difference. Talk about bad timing.

 

[Reetz]

Me too.

He should be serving consecutive life sentences at a minimum. And he should have had to plead guilty to murder.

And where the eff is Jen?

no information on her very sketchy mothering....allowing her daughter to sleep with him is incredible

 

[Seattle1]

Here's what I woke up thinking about Maddie living with her dad. He had said that he told her that at 13 she could decide which parent she wanted to live with and she said she wanted to live with him. When she turned THIRTEEN which was mere days before she was murdered. Which made me wonder... maybe SS's trigger wasn't that she was pregnant, like so many of us have considered, including myself. Maybe she told SS that she decided to move to TX to live with her father. His prey was leaving him and he snapped.

^^rsbm

For as many times as we heard the reference to MS leaving her mother's home, I don't think age 13 was ever considered here. Personally, I think JS convinced Maddie she could not legally leave until she attained age 18. JS wouldn't want to give up child support five years early. MOO

 

[Reetz]

Exactly. He should have been made ,as part of the plea,to admit to exactly what happened the night he murdered her . He should have had to plead guilty to every charge. He should never have been allowed to speak unless it was to look her relatives and friends in the eye and apologise to them for the pain he has caused them.

couldn't agree more...and her mother...just walking scott free?

 

[ttjo]

^^rsbm

I thought the opposite -- the no-contest plea was to implicate JS. Did SS want the mother to share in the blame of her only child's death?

I'm not sure what the public is supposed to think now.

The DA read an impact statement on behalf of Maddie's grandmother, and her Dad and Auntie were present and spoke for themselves, but silence from JS? Was JS worthy of immunity granted? I don't think we will ever know. JMO

Exactly it just creates more speculation.
I heard in the Kohberger plea hearing that just because he waived the right to an appeal,doesnt mean he doesnt have the right to appeal ( is that accurate?)
This is what Im wondering, if the no contest plea was to implicate jenn and they now have the death penalty off the table is there more to come? or is this really over?
or
is it that they can prove the SA and him disposng her body but cant defintively prove he killed her??
Why the no contest plea deal?

 

[tlcya]

A tiny part of me initially hope this plea was allowed because they didn't want to have to use JS as a witness because either too flaky, not credible enough after all the lies the public knows about, OR in order to be able to prosecute her for extreme neglect contributing, etc. But I don't really think it was any of those things. I think it was to avoid having to show child p or n in the courtroom and to avoid the expense of trying a DP case. JMO

 

[Skigh]

A tiny part of me initially hope this plea was allowed because they didn't want to have to use JS as a witness because either too flaky, not credible enough after all the lies the public knows about, OR in order to be able to prosecute her for extreme neglect contributing, etc. But I don't really think it was any of those things. I think it was to avoid having to show child p or n in the courtroom and to avoid the expense of trying a DP case. JMO

I am still holding on to a tiny ray of hope that JS will face charges.I