FL - Markeis McGlockton shot and killed in front of family, Clearwater, July 2018

[andreww]

The woman has exactly the same self defense rights as D. If D had slammed her to the ground, she could shoot to defend herself.

She does have the exact same rights as anybody else. Lets not try and pretend that being told off for breaking a law equates to being violently assaulted. You are grasping at straws.

 

[andreww]

Of course that would be helpful. However, in the very likely case people will still do that, there are appropriate and proper procedures for handling it, as outlined upthread. Again, it's the job of law enforcement to address that issue, not civilians.

Show me anywhere that it is written that I do not have the right to point out when somebody is obviously breaking a law? You and I both know that MM would have been long gone before any police car showed up. There is a reason why so many people in society behave like idiots these days, because nobody ever calls them out.

 

[glamourkitty1922]

She does have the exact same rights as anybody else. Lets not try and pretend that being told off for breaking a law equates to being violently assaulted. You are grasping at straws.

Actually I support D's right to self defense. MM was a bully who attacked a man for daring to speak to his woman.

 

[glamourkitty1922]

Of course that would be helpful. However, in the very likely case people will still do that, there are appropriate and proper procedures for handling it, as outlined upthread. Again, it's the job of law enforcement to address that issue, not civilians.

Actually civilians have every right to tell someone that they are breaking the law and it's not appropriate to respond with violence to words. No, the only person who broke the law was MM when he slammed D into the concrete.

 

[glamourkitty1922]

Hopefully people learn from this how to handle someone parking in the handicap parking spot, learn the importance of anger control, and the dangers of vigilante justice.

All this over a little rectangle of asphalt.

That can't happen because the bully who attacked someone for pointing out that his woman was in a handicapped space illegally is now dead and cannot learn from his mistakes. Hopefully others will learn and understand that responding to words with violence is inappropriate.

 

[Jim G]

Did Drejka have a handicapped placard?
If he did, would it change your opinions?

 

[kimlynn]

As I see it, the people who think that this was justified are wildly exaggerating making MM into giant of a man and making MD into a frail old man, making a shove into pummeling using fists and feet, and making out that he spoke to her politely. Using the F word to a stranger, man or woman, is not polite and is profanity.

Tone makes all the difference.IMO

 

[glamourkitty1922]

Or their innocent children, apparently

Where would you get that? I haven't written about his children except to hope they don't grow up to be like their father. I really do hope they have peaceful, law abiding lives. I wish that for everyone.

 

[Jennifer17]

Where would you get that? I haven't written about his children except to hope they don't grow up to be like their father. I really do hope they have peaceful, law abiding lives. I wish that for everyone.

They have lost their father, and in front of them, less. No one will replace their father.

 

[glamourkitty1922]

They have lost their father, and in front of them, less. No one will replace their father.

Their mother will probably have another relationship. As for the father, who knows what his children think of him. That is their business. People die and life goes on.

 

[Jackeee]

Delete

 

[sorrell skye]

A father is dead.

Children will now grow up without their father to love and guide them.

This is a Great Sorrow.

 

[SeesSeas]

Romano: This is the case that changed the way a sheriff looked at stand your ground
John Romano
Times Columnist
Published: August 3, 2018
Updated: August 4, 2018 at 12:20 PM
The backstory of Markeis McGlockton and Michael Drejka began months before their tragic encounter. Months before the video from a Clearwater convenience store went viral.

And months before gubernatorial candidates and civil rights activists marched into town, looking for nearby crowds and cameras.

The story begins with the delivery of legal documents at the Pinellas County Sheriff’s Office involving another stand your ground case from 2017.

Except in that case, an arrest was actually made.

And now the Sheriff’s Office is facing a lawsuit.

The two cases share little in common, other than a controversial Florida statute.
[...]
So, was it a mistake for the Sheriff’s Office to arrest her?

Probably, in hindsight. Michielson’s attorney, Tom Wadley, tracked down a memo from the State Attorney’s Office that says prosecutors initially told police not to arrest her.

Even so, the circumstances were somewhat fuzzy. Michielson’s only apparent injuries were to her knees when her husband pushed her down earlier in the evening. He was unarmed, and she acknowledged she stabbed him from behind a door.

But the way the law is now written, it is up to the state to prove that a person was not in fear.

"Based on the circumstances, I cannot see a successful path to proving by clear and convincing evidence that the Defendant did not act in self-defense,’’ prosecutor Ben Kanoski wrote in the memo recommending no charges be filed.

Where defendants once had to prove they were eligible for stand your ground by a preponderance of evidence, the Legislature has now flipped the burden, forcing police and prosecutors to prove a defendant is not entitled to stand your ground by the higher "clear and convincing’’ standard.

That, Gualtieri said, is why he chose not to arrest Drejka.

Because the entire exchange happened within a matter of seconds, he said it is difficult to prove that Drejka was not reasonably in fear for his life when he fired the gun.

And it’s a lesson he learned in the Michielson case.
[...]

 

[bluesneakers]

All MD was doing was expressing his First Amendment rights.
But the posters here on this forum seem to want to deny him those rights. Its very close to fascism.

Please provide a link to any poster suggesting MD should be denied his 1st Amendment rights. Thanks.

 

[glamourkitty1922]

Please provide a link to any poster suggesting MD should be denied his 1st Amendment rights. Thanks.

It isn't my post, but I believe Jim G is talking about the posts suggesting D deserved the beating for telling that woman that she was in the handicapped space. That he shouldn't have told the woman that she was in the handicapped space, and posts stating he provoked everything by telling that woman she was in the handicapped space. That he lost his right to defend himself because he interacted with a third person verbally.

 

[Jim G]

see someone illegally parked in handicapped? sorry, they tell you to shut up
someone cut in front of you at mcdonalds? don't say anything, cuz they'll call you a vigilante
someone talking loudly in theater during movie? zip it, cuz they say your harassing

<Modsnip Please keep insults off the forum>

 

[bluesneakers]

It isn't my post, but I believe Jim G is talking about the posts suggesting D deserved the beating for telling that woman that she was in the handicapped space. That he shouldn't have told the woman that she was in the handicapped space, and posts stating he provoked everything by telling that woman she was in the handicapped space. That he lost his right to defend himself because he interacted with a third person verbally.

Still need a link to someone saying he should have his First Amendment rights revoked.

He's free to say whatever he wants - but he is not free from consequences.

 

[glamourkitty1922]

Still need a link to someone saying he should have his First Amendment rights revoked.

He's free to say whatever he wants - but he is not free from consequences.

Doesn't change the fact that it is not appropriate to respond with violence to words. The fact that so many people believe that D lost the right to defend himself because he told that woman she was in the handicapped space IS a demand to have his 1st Amendment rights revoked. Especially the post that said he deserved to be slammed to the ground for daring to tell that woman she was illegally occupying a handicapped space.

 

[Jennifer17]

And it is not appropriate IMO to respond to a shove, with an execution.

 

[glamourkitty1922]

And it is not appropriate IMO to respond to a shove, with an execution.

It is appropriate to stop a vicious attack upon a person by whatever force is necessary. Americans are not required to meekly submit to a beating by a bully.
Luckily D was able to stop the attack.