FL - Mass Shooting at Pulse nightclub, Orlando, 12 June 2016 #2

[CARIIS]

Again it was "political correctness" that allowed this guy to do this.



EDITOR'S NOTE: Orlando's mayor on Monday revised the death toll in the nightclub shooting to 49, from 50. The 50th body was identified as gunman Omar Mateen.

The gunman who killed at least 50 people at an Orlando nightclub early Sunday was described by a former colleague as an "unhinged and unstable" person who repeatedly made racist, misogynist and homophobic remarks.

Daniel Gilroy, a former police officer, worked as a security officer with G4S Security at the PGA Village complex in Port St. Lucie. Pulse nightclub shooter Omar Mateen worked the shift right after Gilroy at the complex's south gate.

Gilroy described Mateen as a devout Muslim who brought a prayer mat to work and prayed several times a day.

"There was never a moment where he didn't have anger and rage," Gilroy told "The Kelly File". "And he was always loud and cursing. And anytime a female or a black person came by, he would use horrible words."

(modsnip)

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/06/1...do-gunman-reached-out-to-him-on-facebook.html

Very typical of mental illiness

 

[Matlacha]

People under the age of 18 can't purchase a firearm legally anyway and have time to clear that up. But, I don't trust Wikipedia as a research source though. It can be modified by anyone with or without any credentials or knowledge and there is even a Wikepedia warning as such.

You focused on the children, but ignored sonjay's other examples. But even with the children, you said they'd have time to clear up their no-fly status. Fact is, though, that at least until recently, there was no way to know why you weren't allowed to fly (most often a name in common with or similar to someone else) or to appeal:

http://www.cnn.com/2015/04/15/travel/americans-no-fly-list-feat/index.html

So yes, even mainstream media admits the no-fly list was/is poorly managed, with innocent people banned for no reason and not allowed any appeal while terrorists, including one of the Boston bombers, flew unimpeded.

 

[Rhino-Esq]

Another one named: http://www.cityoforlando.net/blog/victims/

Akyra Monet Murray, 18 years old

RIP, so young....

One more to be named

ETA: Akyra just graduated from highschool last week.. on her way to college on a full-ride scholarship

http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/West-Catholic-Prep-Akyra-Murray-Killed-Orlando-Nightclub-Massacre-382713791.html?_osource=SocialFlowFB_PHBrand

 

[Audrey Horne]

Do you have any evidence to support that claim? It's pretty broad and vague.

And managed to get a gun license even though he was investigated by the FBI! And it was definitely those people who love political correctness that made that happen!

 

[Renee110]

I have not been following the news on the television ..do you have a link to this ? tragic and first I have heard this

During the press conference today, the Attorney General kept repeating the number to call to find out if your loved one is a victim and urging people to call if they think they know someone that might have been in the club. I took that to mean that 25 victims have had no queries about them and therefore can't notify next of kin. IMO

 

[Audrey Horne]

Evidence? I don't see how "political correctness" is established as a cause whatsoever.

Again it was "political correctness" that allowed this guy to do this.



EDITOR'S NOTE: Orlando's mayor on Monday revised the death toll in the nightclub shooting to 49, from 50. The 50th body was identified as gunman Omar Mateen.

The gunman who killed at least 50 people at an Orlando nightclub early Sunday was described by a former colleague as an "unhinged and unstable" person who repeatedly made racist, misogynist and homophobic remarks.

Daniel Gilroy, a former police officer, worked as a security officer with G4S Security at the PGA Village complex in Port St. Lucie. Pulse nightclub shooter Omar Mateen worked the shift right after Gilroy at the complex's south gate.

Gilroy described Mateen as a devout Muslim who brought a prayer mat to work and prayed several times a day.

"There was never a moment where he didn't have anger and rage," Gilroy told "The Kelly File". "And he was always loud and cursing. And anytime a female or a black person came by, he would use horrible words."

(modsnip)

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/06/1...do-gunman-reached-out-to-him-on-facebook.html

 

[popsicle]

With all due respect, radical white males have killed more people on American soil than foreign terrorists, yet I hear deafening silence when it comes to any discussion about needing to stop THEM. We are at risk because we are a gun-loving country that has been sold a fake bill of goods from the NRA. Any radical is just as dangerous as any other because they have super easy access to guns that can mow down dozens of people in a matter of seconds.

I know that's not a popular sentiment, but it's the truth and we need to start with the truth to prevent future attacks.


http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/04/us/mass-murderers-fit-profile-as-do-many-others-who-dont-kill.html




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That's because this is a thread about a radicalized islamic terrorist that killed 49 people in Orlando, Florida. jmo

 

[human]

What should be done to this guy and the men who did not walk out and appeared then to support him?

http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovemen...conference_with_3_gop_presidential_candidates

 

[dotr]

Another one named: http://www.cityoforlando.net/blog/victims/

Akyra Monet Murray, 18 years old

RIP, so young....

One more to be named

ETA: Akyra just graduated from highschool last week.. on her way to college on a full-ride scholarship

http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/West-Catholic-Prep-Akyra-Murray-Killed-Orlando-Nightclub-Massacre-382713791.html?_osource=SocialFlowFB_PHBrand

Akyra Murray had a lot of future ahead of her. The West Catholic Prep basketball star earned a full ride at Mercyhurst College. She'd scored over 1,000 points early in the season, a moment marked with big congratulatory posters and a celebration in the Philadelphia school's gymnasium back in January.

Less than a week later, during a vacation to celebrate her high school graduation, Murray was one of 49 people gunned down inside an Orlando nightclub by a 29-year-old man who laughed as he murdered some of his victims, a pastor told The Guardian.

Read more: http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news...ghtclub-Massacre-382713791.html#ixzz4BUnnffKr
Follow us: @nbcphiladelphia on Twitter | NBCPhiladelphia on Facebook

 

[rsd1200]

IMO that is totally congruent with his childs homopobia.

Racism, anti semtisim, homophobia, are taught

Makes total sense in my opinion that his kid was a raging homophobic. He was raised in hate ridden environment

I think the world is focusing on the "FBI radar" thing is being way over blown. Some workers said he said some bad stuff. We have all said some stuff in a work environ that others could view as "bad".

It was dismissed cause it , apparently, did not register as a valid threat. The Boston Bombers was a fail , in terms of inteligence. Our enemy Russia, warned us about them. They kicked them out of their country.

Different stuff.


I think the 911 calls with ISIS like stuff was a derail, because his family would be ashamed that he even went into a gay bar. That he even knew where a popular gay bar in another city was.

September 11, 2001 was our country's biggest fail in preventing a terrorist attack. How the heck did THAT happen?! This guy was nothing compared to them but he was able to take out 49 people and wound numerous others. He was just like someone who was raised in a KKK family. Born and bred into hate and a twisted form of religion. His primary target and source of hate was the LGBTQ community. I'd say he was an ISIS sympathizer, but ISIS didn't know who this coward even was. He wasn't even a blip on their radar. They're claiming him now to incite fear in us and get us at each other's throats and it looks to be working from what I see in some when I take a look at MSM comments/FB postings.

 

[CARIIS]

What do we all want? We want ourselves and the people we love to be able to fly on planes, go to nightclubs, go to Christmas parties at work, drop someone at the airport, ride a train...and not be in fear of their lives. Life is hard enough with accidents, illness, sudden natural death...it's wrenching enough to lose someone to those life events. Can't we agree on that?

But when your loved one dies because he's just on vacation in a French cafe, or with friends in a nightclub, or at work...and some stranger kills him to promote his religious beliefs, hunts him down because his Faith says he needs to be wiped off the earth...or kills him to avenge political decisions he was powerless to prevent...there is a hellish cruelty that must accompany that grief. This is indiscriminate hate. Devout Muslims died heinous deaths in the World Trade Center attacks..trapped, burned alive, or throwing themselves out of skyscrapers. These radical Islamists did not give them a free pass.

We can no longer ignore any entity that invites "Hate Imams" in to educate their flock. We can no longer shrug off the proponents of bringing Sharia law here. We just can't. Maybe we should stop aid to the ten Islamic countries with death penalties for Gays.

RAdical Islam is at war with us. We can deny it, try to say...oh, it's guns, oh, Christians hate too. But there's too many attacks now,..and always the same ideology behind it. All of us need to be prepared to be uncomfortable. Be prepared to call out our own. Be prepared to scream at whatever politicans we support. THIS HAS TO BE FACED!

They are at war with us whether we are too sophisticated to admit it or not. We can think we are being compassionate and inclusive but the poor hunted souls in that NightClub this weekend would scream at you...that there's no compassion in closing your mind and heart to what is behind this madness.

We had better pull together soon. This us just beginning. Take a good hard look at the people you love. They are really, truly at risk.

Sorry to be dark, the reality here is we can not stop this. We live in open (well basically!) society. Soft targets are everywhere.

It sadly, has to be put in the same category that we understand that we might get killed in our cars...... do the best we can ( i.e seatbelts) and hope the best ..............................

 

[Sonya610]

I just found it astonishing, that just a half an hour ago on CNN that on the 911 calls , he referenced two different terrorist groups, that have nothing to do with each other , and have totally different belief systems.

What other group did he mention? I have only read he mentioned the Boston Bombers, ISIS, and Abu-Salha (American-Palestian bomber)

 

[CARIIS]

@Cariis

Do you have statistics for fatalities not claimed?

Cant find it . It was this morning presser, Africian American speaking (official guy)

 

[rsd1200]

Even worse, he first told his story to Megyn Kelly and she was the one that pointed out "Do you think the people banging and screaming might have been victims?". At that point he thought about it and agreed that may have been the case.

And yet he tells his story again and adds "I hope they weren't victims".

He could be in shock. I'd be in shock. I've been in shock. It didn't even hit me until a couple days after the bad event happened and you don't think right when it hits.

 

[katydid23]

During the press conference today, the Attorney General kept repeating the number to call to find out if your loved one is a victim and urging people to call if they think they know someone that might have been in the club. I took that to mean that 25 victims have had no queries about them and therefore can't notify next of kin. IMO

I don't think they need anyone to call in order to notify next of kin. They notify next of kin when they find remains routinely, without a help line. And I think they have notified 48 of the 49 families already, according to a link upthread.

 

[sonjay]

I agree with that. But today it was a specific group. Tomorrow they may choose a church. I will say they specifically targeted Christians of a certain faith then. If it's at a sporting event...then it's everyone. It really bothers some people to admit the lgbt community was targeted because they look down on them too. They have no empathy unless it strikes them right in the head.

Don't go there, please.

Absolutely gays were targeted in this attack. Joggers were targeted in the Boston bombing. Government bureaurats were targeted in San Bernardino. Office workers were targed in the WTC attack. Islamic terrorists target anyone and everyone they hate.

I can't speak for others, but in my case, I don't "look down on" LGBT people. I don't care what people sexual preferences are. And I freely admit that in this case, gays were targeted. But I'm completely baffled as to why some people want to believe this attack was primarily a result of homophobia rather than Islamic terrorism. Islamic terrorists hate gay people, yes, but they also hate everyone who is not one of them. The goal of this attack was to terrorize. Next time it might be a pre-school or daycare, or a senior citizen center, or a synagogue or church, or a city council meeting, or a high school football game.

I don't want people to get so caught up in focusing on the gay angle that they miss the important big-picture fact that this was Islamic terrorism. No one is immune to Islamic terrorism, including gay people. Including straight white middle-aged women like me. Including my tattoo'd daughter and her Jewish husband. Including my little grandson and granddaughter.

 

[CARIIS]

Most people rant or complain at work it's true but the FBI said he made threats of being affiliated with terrorist groups. Not many people make those kind of remarks at work. Most people would have been fired and investigated thoroughly by the FBI over the comments alone. Watch the video.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ooter-Omar-Mateen-investigated-TWICE-FBI.html

"possible" ties. No threat found. Best they could do at the time. We have free speech. Unless one says I am going to kill Susy Baker in cubicle 12, tomm around 2:37 , what is our expectation about what the FBI can do?

The reality here is that they found no meaningful ties to any serious terrorist threat, which IMO supports my conclusion that this was primarily homophobic, as it relates to the Miami kiss.

Being checked out twice by the FBI and concluding no threat on two occasions , years apart only reinforces this IMO

The second "reason" for FBI scrutiny is even more telling IMO. It was the kind of claim that the FBI excels at. Being associated with "Someone". That kind of claim is social media, emails , cell phones , technology.

The fact that the conclusion that there was no indication of any meaningful contact with this person, is far more concrete, than some employees claiming that he made some "offensive" comments

A dude that lives here is a racist. I finally told him I would appreciate it if he does not use the N word in my presence, I do not want to hear that. Yes, it is "offensive " to ME.

Does that mean that I think he ought to be accussed of being a member of the KKK and a danger to Africian Americans . No. It means I found it offensive. And if he chose he could have ignored my request not to talk like that.

He has not - I think his wife who I am close with asked him not to do it when I am there!

 

[human]

Is that what I SAID?


I was merely passing along information I just saw on my local LA news station. It has nothing to do with any potential deaths being more or less troubling. Please do not put ugly words in my mouth.

So whar do you mean by this?




I think he might have gone to the Pride Parade and shot people. But not because he hates gay people. Just because he was angry at his ex boyfriend and was out of control.

 

[sonjay]

Why does it have to be about Islam at all? It's always okay to bash a religion as long as it's not Christian?

Because this was Islamic terrorism? It wasn't Christian terrorism or Jewish terrorism or Buddhist terrorism. It was ISLAMIC TERRORISM.

 

[katydid23]

So whar do you mean by this?




I think he might have gone to the Pride Parade and shot people. But not because he hates gay people. Just because he was angry at his ex boyfriend and was out of control.

I mean exactly what it says. He was NOT A COPYCAT. He was not going there because of the Orlando shooter. That is what I said and meant. NO WHERE did I say it would be less troubling or less deadly. I was just trying to nip the rumors in the bud that the Indiana guy was a copycat.

Please do not assign rude or vile hidden meanings to my words.