FL - Mass Shooting at Pulse nightclub, Orlando, 12 June 2016 #2

[stmarysmead]

Sorry to be dark, the reality here is we can not stop this. We live in open (well basically!) society. Soft targets are everywhere.

It sadly, has to be put in the same category that we understand that we might get killed in our cars...... do the best we can ( i.e seatbelts) and hope the best ..............................

In my opinion, that's the attitude that enables terror. There is a lot we can do. We need to be strong and do it. Starting with this...you do NOT get in this country unless we can vet you up one side and down the other. If you are admitted, and your social media becomes sharia based, off you go right then...to the Sharia ruled country of your choice,

Hate preachers at the mosque...that's not freedom of religion...that's incitement. Shut it down.

If public employees can loose their jobs for hate speech, you can lose your right to be here. And if you are born here, you can lose your "right" to all state and federal assistance...of any kind...be it housing, scholarshipsfor your kids...all of it. Taxpayers don't need to support those who despise their way of life and would kill them to promote a religion.

That's a start. You don't coddle those who promote murderous ideologies. Well we have...but we can put an end to it.

 

[tehcloser]

Don't go there, please.

Absolutely gays were targeted in this attack. Joggers were targeted in the Boston bombing. Government bureaurats were targeted in San Bernardino. Office workers were targed in the WTC attack. Islamic terrorists target anyone and everyone they hate.

I can't speak for others, but in my case, I don't "look down on" LGBT people. I don't care what people sexual preferences are. And I freely admit that in this case, gays were targeted. But I'm completely baffled as to why some people want to believe this attack was primarily a result of homophobia rather than Islamic terrorism. Islamic terrorists hate gay people, yes, but they also hate everyone who is not one of them. The goal of this attack was to terrorize. Next time it might be a pre-school or daycare, or a senior citizen center, or a synagogue or church, or a city council meeting, or a high school football game.

I don't want people to get so caught up in focusing on the gay angle that they miss the important big-picture fact that this was Islamic terrorism. No one is immune to Islamic terrorism, including gay people. Including straight white middle-aged women like me. Including my tattoo'd daughter and her Jewish husband. Including my little grandson and granddaughter.

I went there because of comments I have been reading on line. It's ugly. People are ugly. And ignoring them does not make them go away.

Eta comments on news stories, fb etc.....

 

[atthelake]

Another one named: http://www.cityoforlando.net/blog/victims/

Akyra Monet Murray, 18 years old

RIP, so young....

One more to be named

ETA: Akyra just graduated from highschool last week.. on her way to college on a full-ride scholarship

http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/West-Catholic-Prep-Akyra-Murray-Killed-Orlando-Nightclub-Massacre-382713791.html?_osource=SocialFlowFB_PHBrand

Do bars allow people under age to come in if they aren't drinking?

 

[rsd1200]

I agree with that. But today it was a specific group. Tomorrow they may choose a church. I will say they specifically targeted Christians of a certain faith then. If it's at a sporting event...then it's everyone. It really bothers some people to admit the lgbt community was targeted because they look down on them too. They have no empathy unless it strikes them right in the head.

My FB feed has been especially quiet about Orlando. Not seeing any black and rainbow ribbons throughout the feed, I've seen maybe two and three "Prayers to Orlando" Mine, a family member's, and one friend. It's being ignored completely. It is what it is.

 

[x_files]

"possible" ties. No threat found. Best they could do at the time. We have free speech. Unless one says I am going to kill Susy Baker in cubicle 12, tomm around 2:37 , what is our expectation about what the FBI can do?

The reality here is that they found no meaningful ties to any serious terrorist threat, which IMO supports my conclusion that this was primarily homophobic, as it relates to the Miami kiss.

Being checked out twice by the FBI and concluding no threat on two occasions , years apart only reinforces this IMO

The second "reason" for FBI scrutiny is even more telling IMO. It was the kind of claim that the FBI excels at. Being associated with "Someone". That kind of claim is social media, emails , cell phones , technology.

The fact that the conclusion that there was no indication of any meaningful contact with this person, is far more concrete, than some employees claiming that he made some "offensive" comments

A dude that lives here is a racist. I finally told him I would appreciate it if he does not use the N word in my presence, I do not want to hear that. Yes, it is "offensive " to ME.

Does that mean that I think he ought to be accussed of being a member of the KKK and a danger to Africian Americans . No. It means I found it offensive. And if he chose he could have ignored my request not to talk like that.

He has not - I think his wife who I am close with asked him not to do it when I am there!

The places I work don't allow "free speech" then. If you were caught complaining you were fired. I think free speech is allowed up to a point when it becomes a threat.

 

[katydid23]

My FB feed has been especially quiet about Orlando. Not seeing any black and rainbow ribbons throughout the feed, I've seen maybe two and three "Prayers to Orlando" Mine, a family member's, and one friend. It's being ignored completely. It is what it is.

My FB is full with tributes to Orlando, all in rainbow colors.

 

[atthelake]

During the press conference today, the Attorney General kept repeating the number to call to find out if your loved one is a victim and urging people to call if they think they know someone that might have been in the club. I took that to mean that 25 victims have had no queries about them and therefore can't notify next of kin. IMO

If they have identified them, isn't it their responsibility to contact family members .. And they have with the exception of one three hours ago.

.I'm confused

 

[human]

I mean exactly what it says. He was NOT A COPYCAT. He was not going there because of the Orlando shooter. That is what I said and meant. NO WHERE did I say it would be less troubling or less deadly. I was just trying to nip the rumors in the bud that the Indiana guy was a copycat.

Please do not assign rude or vile hidden meanings to my words.

The comment still sounds like his motive was different so not as horrible as Orlando. It is good that you are actually referring to the copycat idea. It is good to get the clarification.

When people write things, they think it is perfectly clear. But since we are all different, people see things in a way one never anticipated. That is why it is good to,have communication and clear up misunderstandings.

 

[CARIIS]

Trust me I really did not want to go here but after seeing countless references to what I BBM above.... I will. One does not normally see two men kissing.....unless they are in an environment that that is likely to happen. I think perhaps he may have frequented gay bars or at least been to them on more than one occasion previously.

South Fl (Miami, Fort Luderdale, the Keys) are extremily open. Lovers kiss in public , just like heterosexuals, lesbians hold hands proudly etc etc .

From my experence, totally credible that he , in Miami, passed two people , who happened to be of the same gender, that love each other, kissing where they wanted to show affection to the one they love.

Idaho not so much...... South FL without a doubt.

We bought South Beach, in Miami , back to life.

The Keys would be bankrupt if we did not take to it!!

Fort Lauderdale has been marvelous decades!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

After decades of economic and social decline, an influx of gay men and lesbians moving to South Beach in the late-1980s to mid-1990s helped contribute to Miami Beach's revitalization.

Wiki

The keys :

[FONT=&quot]More than 200,000 gay and lesbian visitors travel to this two-mile by four-mile island each year[/FONT]

http://www.fla-keys.com/keywest/gaykeywest.cfm

Fort Lauderdale :

In 2013, the county welcomed about 1.3 million LGBT travelers who spent about $1.5 billion

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Lauderdale,_Florida#Lifestyle

 

[sonjay]

IMO that is totally congruent with his childs homopobia.

Racism, anti semtisim, homophobia, are taught

Makes total sense in my opinion that his kid was a raging homophobic. He was raised in hate ridden environment

I think the world is focusing on the "FBI radar" thing is being way over blown. Some workers said he said some bad stuff. We have all said some stuff in a work environ that others could view as "bad".

It was dismissed cause it , apparently, did not register as a valid threat. The Boston Bombers was a fail , in terms of inteligence. Our enemy Russia, warned us about them. They kicked them out of their country.

Different stuff.


I think the 911 calls with ISIS like stuff was a derail, because his family would be ashamed that he even went into a gay bar. That he even knew where a popular gay bar in another city was.

I really want to understand where you're coming from with this. Do you think that this attack had nothing to do with ISIS, that it was strictly because OM was homophobic, and he said the stuff about ISIS and the Boston Bombers only as a distraction?

 

[0101ABA]

Arrest expected of alleged accomplice
http://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/wftv-arrest-expected-in-orlando-nightclub-mass-shooting/340918422

 

[CSIDreamer]

He was not suicidal - he did not kill himself. I think he thought he would get away. IMO his upbringing was secondary - why not give some terrorist credit instead of calling in and saying I dispise gay people.

I just found it astonishing, that just a half an hour ago on CNN that on the 911 calls , he referenced two different terrorist groups, that have nothing to do with each other , and have totally different belief systems.

When I heard this, I thought well how devout could he be?

It was on CNN in background - no way to link- it will probably surface tomm in print

JMO. He was suicidal. By cops. Martyr that way.

 

[katydid23]

The comment still sounds like his motive was different so not as horrible as Orlando. It is good that you are actually referring to the copycat idea. It is good to get the clarification.

When people write things, they think it is perfectly clear. But since we are all different, people see things in a way one never anticipated. That is why it is good to,have communication and clear up misunderstandings.

My comments were IN REPLY to the ongoing discussion about the Indiana man found with the weapons. People were speculating that it was a copycat situation. That is why I posted the facts I just saw on KTLA. There was nothing at all about it being not 'as horrible' if it was a different motive. That came from your thoughts and imagination, NOT MINE.

Asking for clarification is fine. But making a snarky accusation---not so much.

 

[tehcloser]

Arrest expected of alleged accomplice
http://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/wftv-arrest-expected-in-orlando-nightclub-mass-shooting/340918422

Dad????

 

[human]

My comments were IN REPLY to the ongoing discussion about the Indiana man found with the weapons. People were speculating that it was a copycat situation. That is why I posted the facts I just saw on KTLA. There was nothing at all about it being not 'as horrible' if it was a different motive. That came from your thoughts and imagination, NOT MINE.

Asking for clarification is fine. But making a snarky accusation---not so much.

Communication. Your perception.

 

[katydid23]

Arrest expected of alleged accomplice
http://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/wftv-arrest-expected-in-orlando-nightclub-mass-shooting/340918422

:thud: :thud:

 

[human]

Freedom of speech-- public vs private business.

http://corporate.findlaw.com/law-li...-workplace-the-first-amendment-revisited.html

 

[sonjay]

You cannot deport a US citizen

Yes, you can.
http://immigration.findlaw.com/citizenship/can-your-u-s-citizenship-be-revoked-.html

Membership in Subversive Groups: Your citizenship may be revoked if the U.S. government can prove that you joined a subversive organization within five years of becoming a naturalized citizen. Membership in such organizations is considered a violation of the oath of U.S. allegiance. Examples include the Nazi Party and Al Qaeda.

 

[katydid23]

Dad????

I am thinking maybe someone let him in with the weapon?

 

[nomoresorrow]

What should be done to this guy and the men who did not walk out and appeared then to support him?

http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovemen...conference_with_3_gop_presidential_candidates

(BBM ^^)
Another one, same question... http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/12/04/pastor-calls-for-killing-gays-to-end-aids/19929973/