FL - Mass Shooting at Pulse nightclub, Orlando, 12 June 2016 #2

[barcode]

He's from Indiana. When did he get to LA?

He was probably there a while, car had plates from Indiana, does not seem like the type to worry about registration.

 

[CARIIS]

I apolgize for bringing this up. However, it is bewildering that so many fatalites have yet to be claimed.

I fear that a lot of these familes have rejected and thrown out their gay sons when they came out, and have nothing to do with them .

This is very very common in hispanic family systems. It was Latin night.

Latino men reported the highest number of negative family reactions to their sexual orientation in adolescence.

http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/123/1/346

 

[rsd1200]

He is both a terrorist and a hater. Many already own those kind of weapons and this happened at 2am in the morning. Plenty enough time for him to know about it by Saturday afternoon.

Copycat or no, he's as much a terrorist as the Orlando shooter. They are both what they are and how do we stop both? There have been over 170 murdered, and over 500 injured in acts of mass shootings since January and that is counting Orlando. The year is barely half over. We can't just focus on one specific type of terrorism and not the others.

 

[jpo74]

For some reason it seems as if many would prefer to go for ISIS angle than homophobia, where the father clearly stated (which is astounding in and of itself considering that part of the worlds beleifs that gay people deserve to be tossed off rooftops).

IMO, the reality here is , this guy was very disrought seeing two men kissing, and two weeks later he ends up in a gay bar committed the biggest mass murder in this countries history.

IMo logic would indicate that homophibia is the primary motivator . That is not ruling out the influence of his culture beliving that gays deserve to have their heads removed because they are gay


but.....................................

sorry, but i think it can be both. he was a isis sympathiser and isis believes in killing of gays. he called in to say he was doing this on behalf of isis. it cant be any more clearer than that.

 

[barcode]

@Cariis

Do you have statistics for fatalities not claimed?

 

[rsd1200]

He's from Indiana. When did he get to LA? Am I going crazy? I thought it happened on Sunday.

Well the shootings at the club actually happened on Sunday at 2 a.m. The Indiana guy drove cross country to arrive there in L.A. for his deal w/the parade. So I have a hard time believing it was a copycat.

 

[CARIIS]

You know why. We all know why.

moo

I do not think many are ruling out cultural exposure. I think many of us are saying it was not the primary motivator. Homophobia was.

I imagine, (he was in the bar from 9:30 until he went out for his gun) he sat there IMO and stewed and hated seeing us dancing, touching, kissing etc etc and it took him to where he went .

We cannot dismiss the fact that driving a distance , to a popular gay bar, has no meaning. That in and of itself makes no sense.

Throw in dads statements about the impact of him seeing two men kissing ...and we are at PULSE.

All behavior has meaning moo

moo

 

[barcode]

Well the shootings at the club actually happened on Sunday at 2 a.m. The Indiana guy drove cross country to arrive there in L.A. for his deal w/the parade. So I have a hard time believing it was a copycat.

He was probably already there just with Indiana plates.

 

[AlwaysShocked]

I apolgize for bringing this up. However, it is bewildering that so many fatalites have yet to be claimed.

I fear that a lot of these familes have rejected and thrown out their gay sons when they came out, and have nothing to do with them .

This is very very common in hispanic family systems. It was Latin night.

Latino men reported the highest number of negative family reactions to their sexual orientation in adolescence.

http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/123/1/346

I don't understand what you mean by "not claimed". Do you mean "not acknowledged" by family members? Surely you cannot be talking about the families actually "claiming the body" of the deceased person. Because I would not think any of the bodies would have yet been released by the authorities. Each person will need to be autopsied. And that will take some time.

 

[Sonya610]

For some reason it seems as if many would prefer to go for ISIS angle than homophobia, where the father clearly stated (which is astounding in and of itself considering that part of the worlds beleifs that gay people deserve to be tossed off rooftops)..

The father recanted that statement this morning. I have not heard anyone, anywhere, say they think this is ISIS motivated and the fact the victims were gay had nothing to do with it. Of course it did!

I have heard a lots and lots of people say "Just because everything points to it being an ISIS related terrorist attack that doesn't mean ISIS had anything to do with it, he probably just hates gay people or he's crazy".

If this were only about homophobia then his message on the 911 call wouldn't have pledged allegiance to ISIS, it would have said something derogatory about gays and explained why they all need to die.

 

[popsicle]

I'm glad I wasn't the one who had to make a spit second decision in a moment of complete and utter terror!!!

I so agree. So much empathy for that guy. He is a victim, plus survivor's guilt while dealing with the public's opinion/comments. :notgood: Hope he gets help.

 

[CSIDreamer]

Well the shootings at the club actually happened on Sunday at 2 a.m. The Indiana guy drove cross country to arrive there in L.A. for his deal w/the parade. So I have a hard time believing it was a copycat.

My point exactly.

 

[CSIDreamer]

He was probably already there just with Indiana plates.

He's from Indiana. And was in Indiana very recently.

 

[x_files]

moo

I do not think many are ruling out cultural exposure. I think many of us are saying it was not the primary motivator. Homophobia was.

I imagine, (he was in the bar from 9:30 until he went out for his gun) he sat there IMO and stewed and hated seeing us dancing, touching, kissing etc etc and it took him to where he went .

We cannot dismiss the fact that driving a distance , to a popular gay bar, has no meaning. That in and of itself makes no sense.

Throw in dads statements about the impact of him seeing two men kissing ...and we are at PULSE.

All behavior has meaning moo

moo

Absolutely being a gay bar does have meaning. ISIS teaches to kill infidels and homosexuals. I think it is why he chose the club, to make a strong statement about homosexuality for ISIS. I don't think it was a random soft target he chose. He picked a well populated packed gay nightclub in the tourist city of Orlando. Terrorizes families about visiting this summer and others from going out and enjoying western forms of entertainment.
Homophobia and ISIS go hand-in hand.

 

[barcode]

My point exactly.

Am I missing something? Did it ever state when he was last in Indiana? My thoughts are he could have been in CA for some time and not changed his plates?

TIA

Thanks CSI, I read above, we cross posted!

 

[CARIIS]

No one's believed dear ole' dad from the get go why believe him now? His son was an extremist, gay hating, terrorist nutjob. What's he going to say to change that? He called gays a slur name in his last speech to the press. I'll not put it here though. Why believe him now if one didn't believe him earlier? B/c this story sounds better?

IMO that is totally congruent with his childs homopobia.

Racism, anti semtisim, homophobia, are taught

Makes total sense in my opinion that his kid was a raging homophobic. He was raised in hate ridden environment

I think the world is focusing on the "FBI radar" thing is being way over blown. Some workers said he said some bad stuff. We have all said some stuff in a work environ that others could view as "bad".

It was dismissed cause it , apparently, did not register as a valid threat. The Boston Bombers was a fail , in terms of inteligence. Our enemy Russia, warned us about them. They kicked them out of their country.

Different stuff.


I think the 911 calls with ISIS like stuff was a derail, because his family would be ashamed that he even went into a gay bar. That he even knew where a popular gay bar in another city was.

 

[Rhino-Esq]

Another one named: http://www.cityoforlando.net/blog/victims/

Christopher Joseph Sanfeliz 24 years old

RIP

 

[SweetT]

I so agree. So much empathy for that guy. He is a victim, plus survivor's guilt while dealing with the public's opinion/comments. :notgood: Hope he gets help.

Wasn't he afraid bullets would come through that door?

 

[Dogface]

He not only managed to get a gun license. He got an armed security guard license, and he got a job with a security company that's a contractor for the US government.

And then there's my brother, a young, honorably discharged vet with no other working experience who is having a hard time getting a job. Just moved him in with me in Texas from Georgia since we have a lot more opportunity here. But makes me so damn mad. A man with so much hatred coworkers noticed and the fbi investigated can find a job where they give him a gun, but my brother who served is having such a difficult time. Sorry for the OT rant. Just frustrated with all the killing and unfairness in the world.

 

[Sonya610]

I am sorry IMO , dude you think a murderer is going to be banging on a door, it was blocking other from fleeing

dont go on nationial tv a confess such moomomomomomo

Even worse, he first told his story to Megyn Kelly and she was the one that pointed out "Do you think the people banging and screaming might have been victims?". At that point he thought about it and agreed that may have been the case.

And yet he tells his story again and adds "I hope they weren't victims".