FL - Mass Shooting at Pulse Nightclub, Orlando 12 June 2016 #4

[CARIIS]

Um, no. You're misreading the elements that define Domestic Terrorism.



i, ii, iii are OR elements. Only one has to be met. If all three were required OR would be AND.



You may disagree that his act appears to be intended to intimidate a civilian population.

IMO, his act appears to be intended to intimidate a civilian population in the same manner that hate crimes against any segment of the civilian population are intended.

His hate crime was an act of domestic terrorism.

YMMV

Totally agree!

His hate crime was an act of domestic terrorism.

Thus far no sign of internationial terrorism is what I have been saying !!

 

[sonjay]

Useful idiot terrorists: Sympathizers and/or converts recruited and radicalized by various islamic organizations (hiding behind a religious designation) to carry out terror attacks. Many are radicalized in prison, compliments of the chaplain imam. Others seek out social media.

Muslim terrorists: muslims of arab descent who are groomed and conditioned from birth to kill innocents and sacrifice themselves in the name of a totalitarian regime/death cult disguised as religion.

The worst mass shooting in US history just happened and we're pontificating whether or not the muslim terrorist could pass 'terror training.' We're talking about isis as if they're a legitimate business with corporate headquarters somewhere. Isis are terrorists with cells everywhere people! They aren't an elaborate, independent caliphate. They were born out of the arab spring. Isis is an ideology comprised of jihadis sprawling the globe. Any faction is isis. Isis isn't any different than the taliban or hezbollah. It's the same death cult with a slightly different flag. It's islam at its most fundamental level.

Yes, this ^. IMO, OM was both a useful idiot terrorist and a Muslim terrorist. He also happened to be a gay man, and for reasons we don't know (and may never know), he targeted a gay nightclub for his act of Islamic terrorism. The teachings of that Muslim that he followed, to eradicate all homosexuals, may have been the reason he chose a gay nightclub.

 

[barcode]

I'm sorry, I don't get this. If he were ashamed and humiliated, would he be in gay bars and using gay sex apps? And, yes, I think if there were hookups, at least one or two would have come forward... for $, for their 15 minutes, or simply out of horror and the need to talk about it.

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I do not think so, yeah a few weirdos came out to claim they were in contact, one from CA and the wives have spoken because they were easy to find but I am sure he did not have gay lovers/relationship but he probably hit gay bath houses or had one night stands/promiscuous sex with strangers that probably do not want any part of the circus that has ensued.

Somebody with a last name like Zircoyankovich (not exactly) gave their name in a news article, not everyone is that dumb, if your last name is Anderson...maybe give out your name...nah I would not even give out my name then. Reporters have to ask for your name to use it.

 

[Everyday Grace]

Brief, but touching, insights to each of the 49 victims.

Brenda Lee Marquez McCool, 49, from Brooklyn. She was attending Pulse that night with her son. She stepped in front of her son when she saw the shooter point his weapon in her son's direction.

http://features.cbsnews.com/orlando-shooting-victims/

 

[human]

CARIIS, I asked this up thread, but it got buried.

Do you have any thoughts on why none of his hookups have come forward for their 15 minutes, especially with media willing to pay for interviews? If he's been active in the gay community at least 3 years, and on apps like grinder, there must be sex partners out there. Any insight?

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Haven't there have been a couple who said that he tried to hook up but they didn't?

 

[CARIIS]

One of the people he worked with said he was down on his mat praying all the time. This was the same coworker that reported him for being a complete whackjob to his bosses, but to no avail. He eventually quit his job and went elsewhere because OM spooked him so bad.

I would be far more scared of someone "behaving" oddly!

Dexter.....my reply link is goofy, as well as thanks. So far no male has admitted to having had sex with him, so no verification. But who on earth would admit it? JMO

Why would a "heterosexual" hang out often on sex hook up sites?? Be going to gay bars , for years, alone?

If he was budding serial killer I would think he would know via chat rooms he could be found out pretty quickly!

 

[tangelo]

CARIIS, I asked this up thread, but it got buried.

Do you have any thoughts on why none of his hookups have come forward for their 15 minutes, especially with media willing to pay for interviews? If he's been active in the gay community at least 3 years, and on apps like grinder, there must be sex partners out there. Any insight?

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its be like the kiss of death on the local homosexual social scene. anyone who participated with him in homosexual activity risks being shunned by future hookups should it be known they were intimate with the killer

 

[Wyle_E_Coyote]

Haven't there have been a couple who said that he tried to hook up but they didn't?

I thought they just said they chatted with him on grinder? And there was the i think high school friend that said he asked him out? So *everyone* rejected him?

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[Wyle_E_Coyote]

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its be like the kiss of death on the local homosexual social scene. anyone who participated with him in homosexual activity risks being shunned by future hookups should it be known they were intimate with the killer

Really? Even if they had no idea at the time?

(Honest question, no snark)

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[oceanblueeyes]

Respetfully,

That is what have been doing over there for a decade!

Where had it gotten us - France San Bern Paris etc

No it hasn't. We pulled out of Iraq years ago. BO says there may be 50 soldiers on the ground now but according to him they are not in combat.

When we pulled out of Iraq completely is when Isis began and has grown stronger every day since then.

 

[Sonya610]

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its be like the kiss of death on the local homosexual social scene. anyone who participated with him in homosexual activity risks being shunned by future hookups should it be known they were intimate with the killer

I seriously doubt that, especially if the guy is hot.

 

[Wyle_E_Coyote]

I seriously doubt that, especially if the guy is hot.

Lol

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[CARIIS]

Yes, this ^. IMO, OM was both a useful idiot terrorist and a Muslim terrorist. He also happened to be a gay man, and for reasons we don't know (and may never know), he targeted a gay nightclub for his act of Islamic terrorism. Theed, t teachings of that Muslim that he followo eradicate all homosexuals, may have been the reason he chose a gay nightclub.

The bible has a lot of issues with homosexuals. The bible is one of primary reasons parent through their children out on the street and never speak to them again.

While life gets better for millions of gays, the number of homeless LGBT teens - many cast out by their religious families - quietly keeps growing

• Family rejection on the basis of sexual orientation and gender identity was the most frequently cited factor contributing to LGBT homelessness (46%).

I have heard too many LGBT youths tell horrifying stories of violent abuse and rejection from their parents. The teenage boy from upstate New York, who, when his father learned he was gay, he beat him to a pulp, then threw him out of the house and told him that if he tried to come back, he would kill his son and bury him in the backyard. Or the boy from Florida whose father put a gun to his head and said “You are no longer my son. Leave the house now.”

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/carl-siciliano/family-rejection-of-lgbt-_b_875841.html
https://www.dosomething.org/us/facts/11-facts-about-homeless-teens



Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/culture...-by-religious-families-20140903#ixzz4BtHdiMgs
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[bluesneakers]

Hey CARIIS! You need a little room in your mailbox.

 

[Sonya610]

Not sure if this was posted...owner of gun shop that sold the rifle.

I didn't know Florida purchase laws were so strict, they are a whole lot stricter than here (plus our bars are not gun-free zones for non-drinkers). Even with a CCW buyers have to undergo a background check and then wait days to purchase a handgun (length depends on the county). Not in Georgia, I just bought a Ruger .40 cal this afternoon and even without a CCW it is a smooth and quick transaction.

[video=youtube;vpUzXj5GXEU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpUzXj5GXEU[/video]

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Most islamic terrorist kill anyone. But this guy was set on the Lgbt community.

Now the best way to find out if he was an Islamic Terrorist.

Then we need to know if he prayed 5 times a day. Jmo.

If he didn't make salot the day of the kills. Then he wasn't an Islamic terrorist. Jmo.

Did he carry his rugs around to pray like some Muslim terrorist do.

Did his wife mention him praying 3 times that day. Jmo.

But Muslim terrorist will pray or do their final prayer before the act.

This way they try to guarantee that they will go to heaven and get their due.

Jmo. Did Omar make regular prayers or what.

Sorry Dexter, I don't believe that has to happen for one second for him to be a full blown Islamic terrorist any more than I believe the Christian fanatic that killed people outside of the abortion clinic had to go to church every time the doors were open. In fact he had lived in CO for over a year and didn't attend a church the entire time he was there but he still was a fanatical Christian extremist through and through. Its not going to church/Mosque that makes one an extremist. It is their religious belief system that causes these terrorist acts to be carried out by them.

Although it has been reported that Mateen did pray but even if he didn't it doesn't ever mean he wasn't an extremist. He was, his background shows he had been a radical Muslim terrorist in the making for years before this happened. His heroes were terrorists/suicide bombers.

 

[CARIIS]

tell Matten there are alternatives

to suicide by LE bullet possibly? He did have a cowardness to him - he ran to the bathroom instantly! Not usre if he would be able to actually kill himself ?

 

[CARIIS]

I'm sorry, I don't get this. If he were ashamed and humiliated, would he be in gay bars and using gay sex apps? And, yes, I think if there were hookups, at least one or two would have come forward... for $, for their 15 minutes, or simply out of horror and the need to talk about it.

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I think the shame is turned inward toward self. The notion that he had been checking out gay lifestyle for years, I think indicates that he was a gay man, he had just spent several days watching gay people accept and celebrate who they are as gay people.

I think that was a huge trigger . moo

 

[Deleted member 39678]

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its be like the kiss of death on the local homosexual social scene. anyone who participated with him in homosexual activity risks being shunned by future hookups should it be known they were intimate with the killer

That's interesting. I thought that homosexuals would be more understanding.

 

[sonjay]

Not sure if this was posted...owner of gun shop that sold the rifle.

I didn't know Florida purchase laws were so strict, they are a whole lot stricter than here (plus our bars are not gun-free zones for non-drinkers). Even with a CCW buyers have to undergo a background check and then wait days to purchase a handgun (length depends on the county). Not in Georgia, I just bought a Ruger .40 cal this afternoon and even without a CCW it is a smooth and quick transaction.

[video=youtube;vpUzXj5GXEU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpUzXj5GXEU[/video]

Not quite true.

It's true that with a CCW, you still have to have the background check in Florida, but there's no waiting period if you have a CCW.

Also length of the waiting period does not depend on the county. The state specifically occupies the whole of the firearm regulation field; cities & counties aren't allowed to make up their own laws about it.

Since I have a CCW, I've always been able to walk into a gun shop, pick out my new firearm, and walk out with it that day.