FL - Mass Shooting at Pulse Nightclub, Orlando 12 June 2016 #5

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  • #321
Man identified only as 'Miguel' says he had a relationship with Omar Mateen for two months between October and December last year
He said they met on Grindr, had a date, then were 'friends with benefits'
Mateen 'loved to be cuddled', 'spoke to him about his Muslim faith'
But he 'refused to take any selfies', told him 'his wife knew he was gay'
Miguel said Mateen recently discovered a Puerto Rican gay man he'd had a threesome with was HIV-positive, told Miguel he would 'make them pay'
Miguel said Mateen was attracted to Latinos but felt rejected by them
Claimed Mateen was a regular at Pulse before shooting dead 49 people


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...n-d-threesome-HIV-positive.html#ixzz4CHSCd65k
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  • #322
That certainly fits with the blood donation 2 weeks earlier.

WOW
wow

coming together

internalized homophobia

rage could not be controlled

Both wives knew why driving him to Pulse was no big deal
 
  • #323
Also at Daily Mail:

Puerto Rican man claims he was Orlando shooter's gay lover and says the Pulse nightclub attack was 'revenge' after Omar Mateen discovered one of the men he'd had a threesome with was HIV positive

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...n-d-threesome-HIV-positive.html#ixzz4CHMyVd7m
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Original source is Univision

Also states in the article Investigators said The Murderer cased The Pulse nightclub before the massacre. I would like to know what they know, if it's on a surveillance camera or did he possibly tell someone. JMO
 
  • #324
Man identified only as 'Miguel' says he had a relationship with Omar Mateen for two months between October and December last year
He said they met on Grindr, had a date, then were 'friends with benefits'
Mateen 'loved to be cuddled', 'spoke to him about his Muslim faith'
But he 'refused to take any selfies', told him 'his wife knew he was gay'
Miguel said Mateen recently discovered a Puerto Rican gay man he'd had a threesome with was HIV-positive, told Miguel he would 'make them pay'
Miguel said Mateen was attracted to Latinos but felt rejected by them
Claimed Mateen was a regular at Pulse before shooting dead 49 people


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...n-d-threesome-HIV-positive.html#ixzz4CHSCd65k
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Wtf.

So has Miguel been tested for hiv.

What type of conversation was that. A person would throw up if the person they were sleeping with told them that they had intercourse with a hiv person prior.

That is very non chalant of Miguel to state it like that. Jmo.
 
  • #325
Boy oh boy, can you imagine , in terms of in OM mind, that if his father ever found out (if so) that his only son is HIV postive

his only way out was sucide, why not take care of several things

dad i am not gay

suicide deeply not ok in Isalma (suicide by le)

know you pleased , i shot a 100people you despise

Miami is VERY latin - so if the cuouple down were making out
 
  • #326
Entrevista exclusiva: presunto amante de Omar Mateen dice que la masacre en Orlando fue una venganza relacionada con su sexualidad
Un hombre que asegura que mantuvo una relación íntima con el atacante dice que, en su opinión, no se trató de un acto de terrorismo, sino de una represalia contra los puertorriqueños.


http://www.univision.com/noticias/m...ue-una-venganza-relacionada-con-su-sexualidad

“Un hombre hispano que asegura haber sido amante del autor de la masacre en Orlando dijo este martes en una entrevista exclusiva con la periodista María Elena Salinas, de Univision Noticias, que Omar Mateen habría atacado el club gay Pulse "no por terrorismo" sino como "una venganza" contra los puertorriqueños.”​
 
  • #327
Man identified only as 'Miguel' says he had a relationship with Omar Mateen for two months between October and December last year
He said they met on Grindr, had a date, then were 'friends with benefits'
Mateen 'loved to be cuddled', 'spoke to him about his Muslim faith'
But he 'refused to take any selfies', told him 'his wife knew he was gay'
Miguel said Mateen recently discovered a Puerto Rican gay man he'd had a threesome with was HIV-positive, told Miguel he would 'make them pay'
Miguel said Mateen was attracted to Latinos but felt rejected by them
Claimed Mateen was a regular at Pulse before shooting dead 49 people


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...n-d-threesome-HIV-positive.html#ixzz4CHSCd65k
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Ok. After reading the article. The Ambassador hotel has confirmed that Omar was a regular there and has stayed about 63 times.

Now Miguel said him and Omar was there about 20 times. So Omar definitely was with others.

Plus I think Miguel was right about the motive. Plus it makes perfect sense.

So imo. This was not a Terrorist attack. Omar just hated gay latin men because he felt beneath them. Jmo
 
  • #328
Wtf.

So has Miguel been tested for hiv.

What type of conversation was that. A person would throw up if the person they were sleeping with told them that they had intercourse with a hiv person prior.

That is very non chalant of Miguel to state it like that. Jmo.

If they were together last fall and the 3some wasn't until recently maybe that's why Miguel was so nonchalant about it.

But why were they still in touch?
 
  • #329
CARIIS you were right.
 
  • #330
Ok. After reading the article. The Ambassador hotel has confirmed that Omar was a regular there and has stayed about 63 times.

Now Miguel said him and Omar was there about 20 times. So Omar definitely was with others.

Plus I think Miguel was right about the motive. Plus it makes perfect sense.

So imo. This was not a Terrorist attack. Omar just hated gay latin men because he felt beneath them. Jmo

Or, rejection.
 
  • #331
If they were together last fall and the 3some wasn't until recently maybe that's why Miguel was so nonchalant about it.

But why were they still in touch?

I agree. They must have still been friends with benefits. Idk.

He says the fbi is interrogating him. So they must definitely have been staying in touch.
 
  • #332
Orlando Shooter Omar Mateen Buried, Father Says
ABC News
By TOM LIDDY
Jun 21, 2016, 10:56 PM ET


http://abcnews.go.com/US/orlando-shooter-omar-mateen-buried-father/story?id=40033047

Orlando shooter Omar Mateen, who killed 49 people and wounded dozens of others in the worst American mass shooting in recent history, was buried in Florida, according to ABC News affiliate WPBF.

Mateen's father, Seddique Mateen, told reporters that his son was buried after his body was released from the coroner.

It was not clear when or where he was buried, but the father told WPBF that the service was Islamic.​
 
  • #333
Identifying The Next Mass Murderer—Before It’s Too Late
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blo...ntifying-the-next-mass-murderer-it-s-too-late

On June 17, 2015, according to authorities, Dylann Storm Roof (link is external) walked into the Emanuel
African Methodist Episcopal Church in Charleston, South Carolina, sat down, and after an hour or so allegedly shot three men and six women, attending a bible study class. Immediately people began to take sides, and not just about the gun debate. Was this an act of terror? Was this a hate crime? Was this a “lone wolf?” Was this a conspiracy? On and on. What is interesting as well as frustrating is that none of these terms serve a useful purpose.

Four years ago, on July 22, 2011, Anders Behring Breivik set off a bomb near the government headquarters of the Labor Party in Oslo, Norway; after which he proceeded to the secluded island of Utøya, where he methodically killed, with a high powered rifle, 65 plus children attending a youth event. Does it matter if we call Anders Behring Breivik a terrorist, mass murderer, or a lone wolf? Not really, only one thing matters: how did he become this way, and were there signs that could have prevented this horrendous tragedy?

Once again we face a mass murder (FBI defined as 4 or more) and we need to get past the debate over the nomenclature (terrorist, extremist, mass murderer, lone wolf, genocide, etc.)—that serves no prophylactic purpose. When it comes to Dylann Storm Roof, Anders Behring Breivik, the Boston Marathon Bombers, or the likes of Theodore John "Ted" Kaczynski known as the UNABOMBER, and Timothy McVeigh, it’s not what we call them, the issue is: could we have prevented their acts? The answer is yes. And yet, we seem to be incapacitated when we hear the term “lone wolf” or “solo terrorist” as if we were describing a demon beyond our capability to identify and stop.


From the article.
Narcissistic Traits
Paranoid Ideation
Passionate Hatred
Wound Collectors
Communication
Violence as Magic
Isolation
The Lethal Cocktail
Acting Out

Omar Mateen exhibited all the characteristics in the list above. He is a clear cut injustice collector. Allow me to say a textbook example. He is very narcissistic and thinks the world revolves around him. He is very paranoid and feels persecuted and has vicarious paranoia. He shows extreme hatred at enemies of Islam, which are gays. Mateen harbors grudges that goes back to his childhood. His behavior changed in the months before the massacre and was known to become more isolated.

Examples of other injustice collectors/wound collectors are Elliot Rodger, Vester Flanagan, Jodi Arias, and Lori Drew. Arias and Drew are not mass killers, but share characteristics with injustice collecting mass killers.

Elliot Rodger was extremely obsessed about his suffering like Mateen. They are masochistic about it as it made them who they are. Rodger was extremely envious of other people and had obsession of sex, which suggests severe sexual repression on his part. Rodger was also obsessed about being rich and even begged his mother, Li Chin Rodger to marry a rich man, so he could be rich himself. In his manifesto, he rails against his own grandparents for squandering their wealth in the Great Depression. He is very resentful at everyone, especially at his stepmother, Soumaya Akaaboune and father, Peter Rodger. Mateen is most resentful at his father and likely all his family members. Rodger showed every traits for injustice collector.

Elliot Rodger: A Personality Analysis
https://schoolshooters.info/sites/default/files/rodger_personality_analysis_1.1.pdf

Elliot Rodger: An Analysis
https://schoolshooters.info/sites/default/files/rodger_analysis_2.0.pdf

Vester Flanagan saw himself as a victim of racism. He was a perpetual victim like Mateen and Rodger. He had a violent temper like Mateen. Mateen envied people who were successful. It is no wonder that Flanagan killed Alison Parker, who he deeply resented. He accused Parker of being racist towards, which was proven false. Like Mateen and Rodger, Flanagan created his own injustice and lived in it. Mateen resented people, especially Infidels and other enemies of Muslims. He did not harbor any sexual self hatred like Mateen despite being gay. Flanagan showed every trait for injustice collector on the list above.

NYPD’s Miller: Gunman In Killings Of Va. Reporter, Cameraman A ‘Classic Injustice Collector’
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2015/08/27/nypd-miller-virginia-gunman-injustice-collector/

The "Injustice Collectors": How to Understand Vester Flanagan’s Grievance-Filled Manifesto
https://newrepublic.com/article/122...ors-how-understand-vester-flanagans-manifesto

Jodi Arias has a lot of deep seated resentment and pent up anger dating back to her childhood. She was known to have tantrum issues as a child. She could not let go about Travis Alexander, which happened on June 29, 2007. To her it was a crime on her ego. That gave her a sense of rejection and abandonment that burned for a year. Than on June 4, 2008, she kills Travis Alexander. It happened one year after the break up. Arias is not known to show anything to suggest sexual repression. She repressed on the psychological side. She repressed all her anger for all her life. Arias shows narcissistic, paranoid, passionate hatred, wound collector, violence as magic, lethal cocktail, and acting out. I do not know if Arias had any history of isolation. It is probable she did.

Arias' babysitter says she saw aggression in her
http://www.hlntv.com/video/2013/01/21/arias-babysitter-says-she-saw-aggression-arias

Lori Drew harassed Megan Meier to suicide in October 2006. Prior to Meier's death, Drew was very resentful about Sarah Drew not being friends with Megan Meier in Spring 2006. She deluded into thinking her daughter was being harassed by Meier. A neighbor said that Lori Drew was often bad mouth Megan Meier. The Josh Evans scheme started in September 2006, a few months after Megan and Sarah stopped being friends. Tina Meier said in a Websleuth Radio Interview that she was a very bitter and unhappy person who complained nonstop. She was very envious of other people, particularly the Meiers. The Meiers had a second vacation home in Florida and motorized yacht. She felt entitled to be invited to every parties and be involved in every organization. Right there, Lori Drew is masochist as she obsesses about her suffering wants everyone to know about it. She wanted Sarah to be happy, which suggests a bitter childhood she had on her part. Drew shows narcissistic, paranoid, passionate hatred, wound collector, communication, lethal cocktail, and acting out. Drew is not known to isolate herself as she likes being around people. Drew would bad mouth Megan Meier and talk about her scheme to other people. Lori Drew is vicarious as she went after Megan because of she felt Sarah was a victim of perceived injustices. Drew thought Megan called Sarah a 'lesbian'. It suggests self-hatred and sexual repression on Drew's part. She also repressed her anger since her childhood like Rodger or Mateen.

Websleuth Radio Interview Tina Meier
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/websleuths/2013/09/30/tricias-true-crime-radio-adult-cyber-bullying

Friend Game
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2008/01/21/friend-game

Lori Drew Sentencing Memo
http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/threatlevel/2009/05/lori-drew-government-sentencing-memo.pdf

What does all means? Omar Mateen, Elliot Rodger, Vester Flanagan, Jodi Arias, and Lori Drew are similar as they are injustice collectors. They are highly narcissistic and paranoid as they are extremely resentful people. Mateen, Rodger, and Flanagan are malignant narcissists, while Arias and Drew are borderline narcissists. Mateen, Rodger, and Flanagan want to be respected and feared. Arias for the most part wants to be respected as she looks for commitment through Travis Alexander. The break up triggered an eruption of resentment in Jodi Arias. Drew wants to be liked and accepted, which is always elusive for her.

Omar Mateen, Elliot Rodger, Vester Flanagan, Jodi Arias, and Lori Drew are all perpetual victims. They see themselves as victims and blame everyone else, but themselves. It is all about them no matter what.

I agree with ALL of this.
 
  • #334
I watched the video and there was nothing about the owner wanting to re-open?

Was there not a story with it? Oh my. Having trouble with the link. I'll see if I can find another one. :)
 
  • #335
I watched the video and there was nothing about the owner wanting to re-open?

Not the same link, but you get the idea:

The owner of the Pulse nightclub wants to reopen the business, even though the building will forever carry with it the night when a gunman killed 49 and wounded 53 others inside its walls.

The ensuing shooting left the building riddled with bullets, and explosives and the armored vehicle that police used to breach the club damaged it even further.
A cleaning crew was in the building and the overwhelming odor of bleach could be smelled through the walls of the club.

http://www.wftv.com/news/local/pulse-owner-wants-to-reopen-the-question-is-when/355119281
 
  • #336
Ok. After reading the article. The Ambassador hotel has confirmed that Omar was a regular there and has stayed about 63 times.

Now Miguel said him and Omar was there about 20 times. So Omar definitely was with others.

Plus I think Miguel was right about the motive. Plus it makes perfect sense.

So imo. This was not a Terrorist attack. Omar just hated gay latin men because he felt beneath them. Jmo

Even if he was renting a room with an hourly rate, once again we're back to where did all this money come from?
 
  • #337
Good morning

This is nancy grace, have there been any other "bombshells" while sleeping!

I think in light of the lovers statements last night, I hope I am not be scrolling down and seeing folks claiming this too is all BS, IMO we are have motivation, we have another person confirm that this guy was anexplosive, impusive person all his life.

We have

First wife no fanatical religious focus
People in his childhood no fanatical religious focus
Father no fanatical religious focus
FBI no fanatical religious focus
Lover no fanatical religious focus
Encounters through years in bar no fanatical religious focus
Collage peers no fanatical religious focus\
School teachers when young no fanatical religious focus
Computer untilfirst week in June everything seemed to implode no fanatical religious focus
personal possessions in place of residentce no fanatical religious focus
interactions on Grindr no fanatical religious focus
Travels abroad no fanatical religious focus
Since the night no mosque goers coming forward with fanatical religious focus


We have:
Coworkers who he was with conflicted saying he made outbursts about suicidal bomber debunked
We have an outburst , (a hystorical problem since birth - outbursts) about the Boston Marathon
A frenzy of of Isalmic viewing the first week of week of June when the spiral downward seemed to take off

In a bigger picture we have discovery of Hiv angle around October
Going to specualte that in all liklihood he went and got tested postive
Fueled the rage - you PR have killed me (some still think that ablout HIV) I wil kill you
April seeling house totally congruent with sucical preperation/ or dying from HIV I beleive he wouls still beleive that errounous information even tdoay
Stopped meds, specuation, what the purpose I am killing my self
Meds take time to drop in terms of therapetic levels - as that happens wife/mother see increaingly disturbing behaviors
Specuation buys small gun first for suicide
rage intensives goes and gets assualt weapon
specualtion rage continues to escalate he checks on body armour _plan intnesifing

Pane tickets a trip to Disney showering with gifts attempt to take care of his family/wife-congruents wiht remorese laiden last words to her I love you Babe

Obviously mother wife and washington friend were aware of his escalading sprial

The comment about africian americans takes on much more meaning in light of the PR angle-he wanted that known

I ponder if HIV came up in talking with hostage dialog with LE

With new information my notions about Washington call could be all off in that medication conversation could have been about HIV meds as oppossed to bipolar - but we reamian stuck with alternatives. But we could also put that into alternatives as it relates to HIV treatments

He found out about betrayal with one of the threesome in OCt but when did they all have sex - wonder if it was a while back before learning one of them was infected.

Wonder who told him .

Wonder if steroids would make it easier for HIV to infect

DId results of HIV test (if taken) start the sprial - can also explain the will and house tranfer in terms of preparing to die as opposed to suicide?

Maybe became symtomatic?

humm lovers reveal answered much while opening another whole can of questios huh?

Bewildering odds and ends --money source for the purchases - had good credit?

Who else knew about the hiv angle?

The friend possibly

I think the lover reveal will result in more information coming forward

all moo
 
  • #338
Even if he was renting a room with an hourly rate, once again we're back to where did all this money come from?

He had a job. Most people with a job can afford to rent a hotel room.
 
  • #339
He had a job. Most people with a job can afford to rent a hotel room.

According to some reports, close to 100 times in the past year? And 9K worth of jewelry? Guns, ammo? I know he had a job. And I know it doesn't say who paid for the rooms. I'm just sayin'.
 
  • #340
Even if he was renting a room with an hourly rate, once again we're back to where did all this money come from?

Men buying him for sex?
 
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