FL - Mass Shooting at Pulse Nightclub, Orlando 12 June 2016 #5

[cady]

Credit cards? JMO

 

[jjenny]

According to some reports, close to 100 times in the past year? And 9K worth of jewelry? Guns, ammo? I know he had a job. And I know it doesn't say who paid for the rooms. I'm just sayin'.

He was gainfully employed for many years. Add to that, I doubt he was worried about debt. He could have been putting it all on credit cards.

 

[CARIIS]

Also states in the article Investigators said The Murderer cased The Pulse nightclub before the massacre. I would like to know what they know, if it's on a surveillance camera or did he possibly tell someone. JMO

moo I think that angle is total media mess up. If you go back in time at the time the world generally thinks that men with children and wives are stright.

I think they saw, in the begining that a man with wife and kids would only be at a popular gay club to case a gay place out.

If put into context today as puzzle moves around he was the Pulse becanse he was a gay man. It also could explain the "motive" for driving so far, it was acutlaly a job, getting paid for sex.

The hotel angle makes sense, I said I thought he had to be sleeping with people in order to avoid the drive back after drinking all night

Selling him self for sex, also fits in with the internalized homophobia - I am not really do this becasue I am gay - I am doing this for money so I can provide more for my wife and child. Its not that I am REALLY gay moo

I remember first seeing the apt, I thought there is a lot of materialistic stuff there, for someone making $14 an hour

 

[CARIIS]

CARIIS you were right.

Very mixed thought when I read that. I am human (ha!) and I will admit there was a smile. Then I thought thats pretty cool that one person here would post that .

Then I thought this isnt about right or wrong (then I quickly told myself that is a crock- of course it is about beleiving your opinion is correct!)

Then I thought this was a tough thread!

THen I thought I want to thak Human

Ty Human!!!!

Sad mess all over the place

Early on I saw the interview with the Pulse owner. She really was impassioned about giving the community a neat place

A long time ago I went there twice. I loved the bar itself. Modern white furniture- physicaaly the bar was pretty and clean. Back then I do not remember drag shows, Parliment House is the drag show KING!

But it was too young for me!! Back then I regrette that--it was a nice club!

I want to go check out a bit more about this hotel!! Ahhhh as isuspected a dump - place!!

If they were together last fall and the 3some wasn't until recently maybe that's why Miguel was so nonchalant about it.

But why were they still in touch?

In many instances when lvoers break up , I remained friends with my three lovers after we broke up.

I think it easier for gay men to remain friendly in that there is not kids, all the acrimonous stuff involved with formal divorce, which results in conflicts

 

[CSIDreamer]

Credit cards? JMO

Yeah, lots of debt I'd bet. I never think of the credit card angle. We refuse to use them.

 

[CARIIS]

Ok here we go

a dump

1 star
review consnesus "Terrible"

“filthy place!! DONT VISIT”

Reviewed May 23, 2015
this place is dusting there bugs cockroaches and other dughstng insects . please don't visit for you sake. the staff is very rude and not helpful at all i would prefer to sleep on the streets. filthy filthy filthy

Helpful?

6 Thank Charlotte435

Report​

“Nasty!”

Reviewed August 8, 2013
This places in infected with prostitution/drugs, roaches and rat's the rooms need up grading bad the beds and nasty and dirty and uncomfortable and the carpet is so dirty I did not walk bear feet "ever". It look pretty decent on the outside but it look like hell on the inside. The price should be a lot cheaper than what...More

Ok then!.........I think I have to revise he was selling himself. Noone who has money to buy a man for some sex would go here!!

So this takes us back to he was wildly promscious, in that obviouly it was a place to have sex, pass out from drinking before driving home and cheap!

[FONT=&amp]16min [/FONT][FONT=&amp]3.8mi from pulse

[/FONT]anked #328 of 338 hotels in ..


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This adds much - he was wildly sexually active! All you want to do is trick and say goodbye the next the day, I dont remember your name, you mine, i dont want your phone number, you mine

In passing next time we shall say hi , smile , and move on - how it works. I def think it has gotten less like this since HIV, but back in the pre aids days fun and free

[/FONT]OR it could be he just needed a dump nearby to crash , alone, before driving home hummmmm[FONT=&amp]


I dont know ,if as it is described, if a guy took me there if I would stay - I suppose it would depend on how drunk I was!

That part of town (to get the distnace) is truly dangerous very high crime rates ....more I think about it he was big he would not be afraid. That part of town I do not know if even if drunk I could stay in that area!

Would be interesting to learn if he was usually alone (night drinking , alone,depressed etc).

[/FONT]"Crack heads."


"PROSTITUTES, PIMPS."

I get , from this, he was very sad and lonely

 

[Renee110]

Kevin West said he had messaged Mateen back and forth over a year’s time on the gay dating app Jack’d but never met him until he saw Mateen crossing the street about 1 a.m. Sunday.
“He walked directly past me. I said, ‘Hey,’ and he turned and said, ‘Hey,’” and nodded his head, West said. “I could tell by the eyes.”

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/news/orlando-shooter-omar-mateen-was-gay-former-classma/nrfwW/

The owner of the app said they can't find the shooter on the app

http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/...BlitzRss&utm_campaign=usatoday-newstopstories

 

[CARIIS]

Man identified only as 'Miguel' says he had a relationship with Omar Mateen for two months between October and December last year
He said they met on Grindr, had a date, then were 'friends with benefits'
Mateen 'loved to be cuddled', 'spoke to him about his Muslim faith'
But he 'refused to take any selfies', told him 'his wife knew he was gay'
Miguel said Mateen recently discovered a Puerto Rican gay man he'd had a threesome with was HIV-positive, told Miguel he would 'make them pay'
Miguel said Mateen was attracted to Latinos but felt rejected by them
Claimed Mateen was a regular at Pulse before shooting dead 49 people


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...n-d-threesome-HIV-positive.html#ixzz4CHSCd65k
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Interesting no pics with man

 

[Renee110]

This is a young crowd. For this generation there cell phones are like their arms. It hit me as odd that only two cell phone videos have surfaced. So then I tried to do some math!

There is a cover. So I am thinking that the number 300 people had been in there, probalby came from the door throughtout the night.

But everytone who comes does not stay till closing in any bar!

For you guys, the fact that one video is right as it starts, and the other is in the bathroom, there would have to be others in the other rooms. 11 died after getting out.

What I am getting at is it would seem there were some in the other two rooms, that would have been capable of taking cell phone video inside there in the other two rooms after he ran to bathroom.

They video video tape french toast on their cell phones!

Isn't that strange that in reality only one cell phone video after it started?

We cant be saying that everyone out there had passed cause they did get some out from the front after the breach.

I do not know what I am getting at, if anything , but that seems strange imo??



I found this it is from 3-6 that morning

[video=youtube;cdhBeT7FtLg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdhBeT7FtLg[/video]

I think if I had been in there running for my life, I may not have stopped to video anything. I may have dropped my phone or it may have been knocked out of my hand by others running.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

The latest information about him being gay doesn't change my mind one bit that this was a Muslim extremist who carried out an act of terrorism. Until it is confirmed I see no proof he was HIV positive.

All it does is clarify for me why he selected this particular group of 'infidels' to be his targets when he did his terrorist attack..

It doesn't erase the two different times he was on the FBIs radar........not for homosexuality but each time it was because they had suspicions to believe he was a radical Muslim.

If he gave blood two weeks before the murders it still does not explain why he put his assets into someone else's name back in April before any blood was given by him. Nor does it erase his lengthy obsessive admiration for Islamic terrorists including suicide bombers. It does not erase all of his extreme radical Muslim views or the hate fill words he spewed for years every time Muslim terrorists murdered what he perceived as infidels even victims who were murdered on our own soil.

IMO

 

[K_Z]

Regarding the gift of $9K in jewelry from OM to wife Noor, it's important, IMO, to understand the meaning of gifts of jewelry in middle eastern islamic cultures. Both Noor and OM are deeply immersed in middle eastern culture and values, even while in the U.S., because of their families, which have not assimilated their thinking and cultural adaptation, IMO. They "live" between 2 worlds-- american capitalism and freedom, and the "culture" of Afghanistan and middle eastern islamic culture and patriarchy.

Jewelry is given to a middle eastern woman as a form of security (gold holds value and can be sold), as a form of dowry, and also as BOTH expressions of love, and apology. Women do not buy their own jewelry, even if they can afford it. (Many shopkeepers are uncomfortable selling to western women for the same reason, in my experience.) The gift of gold jewelry from a husband to a wife has many meanings in middle eastern cultures, far beyond a simple token of affection, or "showing off" how wealthy and generous the man is.

It would be difficult to explain how many gold souks are in middle eastern markets-- they are EVERYWHERE. Much of the jewelry is (by western standards) extremely gaudy, large, and heavy. Gold is sold by weight there, so "big" is better, even if the women never intends to actually WEAR the pieces. (You typically pay for the weight of the piece, not the craftmanship or design.) Some extraordinary pieces are literally like gold lingerie, with large plates, chains, etc. When I was in the middle east, it was actually difficult to find pieces small enough for a westerner to comfortably wear, and shopkeepers always steer you to very large pieces. (Small represents poor and cheap to the shopkeeper, on the part of the buyer. It's an insult to the shopkeeper if you buy a small piece!)

Anyway, OM's gift of jewelry to Noor has many cultural overtones. I think it also represents a pre-emptive apology.

Here's a passage about the meanings of gold jewelry:

The young Saudi girl growing up will generally receive her first piece of jewelry when she is less than six months old. This piece will be either gold or diamond posts placed at the time she gets her ears pierced. As she grows older, her parents and particularly her father, will continue to add to her jewelry occasion. On special occasions, she may be the recipient of a ring, bracelet or necklace.

The jewelry in Saudi Arabia is exquisite and also costs much less than elsewhere in the world, taking into account the quality and craftsmanship.

Naturally as the wedding day approaches for the young Saudi woman, it is traditional for her to receive multiple pieces of gold jewelry. This is her dowry and her security net for herself in the event of any future troubles. It’s not only the future groom and his family who present gold jewelry to the bride, but other family members and friends may also give her gold jewelry as a gift.

I remember shortly after arriving in Saudi Arabia and receiving pieces of gold jewelry from Saudis to whom I was not related but who were long time friends of my husband. I felt awkward as an American receiving gold jewelry from someone who I did not know well but my late husband reassured me it was tradition.

The Saudi woman will continue to receive exquisite pieces of jewelry on the special occasions throughout her life. These occasions will include when she becomes pregnant, when she gives birth and for many women, the husband presents his wife with a new piece of jewelry on Eid al Adha in celebration.

The modern Saudis who do recognize Valentines Day and Mother’s Day will likely give the special women in their life jewelry at those times too. Men who have had to travel without their wives are known to bring back a present of jewelry.

Saudi women may not flaunt their jewelry collection but they are certainly proud of it. The more jewelry a Saudi woman has received from her father and her husband is interpreted to illustrate how special and loved she is.

However, there are other times when a woman may receive jewelry that has a mixed message. If a Saudi man feels he has wronged his wife, he may also try to make amends by surprising her with jewelry. This can go from the man who was late for a family function to the man who choose to take another wife. He believes that he can soften the blow and disappointment with jewelry.
Some Saudi women who are in an unhappy marriage may negotiate for acquisition of more jewelry. The Saudi woman knows that in a time of emergency the gold jewelry can be converted to cash in a time of extreme need.

While the Saudi woman sees her jewelry as her security blanket, the American woman at times may discourage her husband from giving her jewelry. It really comes down to not just the individual, but the culture in which one was raised.

https://americanbedu.com/2012/06/19/saudi-arabia-why-saudi-women-receive-so-much-jewelry/

It would be interesting to know exactly which kind of pieces of jewelry he bought for Noor, IMO.

I have a very hard time believing that authorities "don't know" where Noor is at this time. That would be beyond incompetent.

 

[cady]

JMO Mateen was a dangerous FRAUD in every aspect of his life. And he knew it. JMO

 

[misterb]

Wtf.

So has Miguel been tested for hiv.

What type of conversation was that. A person would throw up if the person they were sleeping with told them that they had intercourse with a hiv person prior.

That is very non chalant of Miguel to state it like that. Jmo.

It is possible that Miguel (like a growing number of gay men who choose to have a lot of sexual partners) was on Prep, a prophylactic drug that inhibits HIV transmission).

 

[cady]

Regarding the gift of $9K in jewelry from OM to wife Noor, it's important, IMO, to understand the meaning of gifts of jewelry in middle eastern islamic cultures. Both Noor and OM are deeply immersed in middle eastern culture and values, even while in the U.S., because of their families, which have not assimilated their thinking and cultural adaptation, IMO. They "live" between 2 worlds-- american capitalism and freedom, and the "culture" of Afghanistan and middle eastern islamic culture and patriarchy.

Jewelry is given to a middle eastern woman as a form of security (gold holds value and can be sold), as a form of dowry, and also as BOTH expressions of love, and apology. Women do not buy their own jewelry, even if they can afford it. (Many shopkeepers are uncomfortable selling to western women for the same reason, in my experience.) The gift of gold jewelry from a husband to a wife has many meanings in middle eastern cultures, far beyond a simple token of affection, or "showing off" how wealthy and generous the man is.

It would be difficult to explain how many gold souks are in middle eastern markets-- they are EVERYWHERE. Much of the jewelry is (by western standards) extremely gaudy, large, and heavy. Gold is sold by weight there, so "big" is better, even if the women never intends to actually WEAR the pieces. (You typically pay for the weight of the piece, not the craftmanship or design.) Some extraordinary pieces are literally like gold lingerie, with large plates, chains, etc. When I was in the middle east, it was actually difficult to find pieces small enough for a westerner to comfortably wear, and shopkeepers always steer you to very large pieces. (Small represents poor and cheap to the shopkeeper, on the part of the buyer. It's an insult to the shopkeeper if you buy a small piece!)

Anyway, OM's gift of jewelry to Noor has many cultural overtones. I think it also represents a pre-emptive apology.

Here's a passage about the meanings of gold jewelry:



https://americanbedu.com/2012/06/19/saudi-arabia-why-saudi-women-receive-so-much-jewelry/

It would be interesting to know exactly which kind of pieces of jewelry he bought for Noor, IMO.

I have a very hard time believing that authorities "don't know" where Noor is at this time. That would be beyond incompetent.

They probably have a good idea. IF it is true that she has an attorney, they are probably in touch with the attorney. (Didn't Zimmerman disappear, but his attorney knew where he was?) JMO

 

[Renee110]

The latest information about him being gay doesn't change my mind one bit that this was a Muslim extremist who carried out an act of terrorism. Until it is confirmed I see no proof he was HIV positive.

All it does is clarify for me why he selected this particular group of 'infidels' to be his targets when he did his terrorist attack..

It doesn't erase the two different times he was on the FBIs radar........not for homosexuality but each time it was because they had suspicions to believe he was a radical Muslim.

If he gave blood two weeks before the murders it still does not explain why he put his assets into someone else's name back in April before any blood was given by him. Nor does it erase his lengthy obsessive admiration for Islamic terrorists including suicide bombers. It does not erase all of his extreme radical Muslim views or the hate fill words he spewed for years every time Muslim terrorists murdered what he perceived as infidels even victims who were murdered on our own soil.

IMO

Very good post. Thank you.

 

[Renee110]

Regarding the gift of $9K in jewelry from OM to wife Noor, it's important, IMO, to understand the meaning of gifts of jewelry in middle eastern islamic cultures. Both Noor and OM are deeply immersed in middle eastern culture and values, even while in the U.S., because of their families, which have not assimilated their thinking and cultural adaptation, IMO. They "live" between 2 worlds-- american capitalism and freedom, and the "culture" of Afghanistan and middle eastern islamic culture and patriarchy.

Jewelry is given to a middle eastern woman as a form of security (gold holds value and can be sold), as a form of dowry, and also as BOTH expressions of love, and apology. Women do not buy their own jewelry, even if they can afford it. (Many shopkeepers are uncomfortable selling to western women for the same reason, in my experience.) The gift of gold jewelry from a husband to a wife has many meanings in middle eastern cultures, far beyond a simple token of affection, or "showing off" how wealthy and generous the man is.

It would be difficult to explain how many gold souks are in middle eastern markets-- they are EVERYWHERE. Much of the jewelry is (by western standards) extremely gaudy, large, and heavy. Gold is sold by weight there, so "big" is better, even if the women never intends to actually WEAR the pieces. (You typically pay for the weight of the piece, not the craftmanship or design.) Some extraordinary pieces are literally like gold lingerie, with large plates, chains, etc. When I was in the middle east, it was actually difficult to find pieces small enough for a westerner to comfortably wear, and shopkeepers always steer you to very large pieces. (Small represents poor and cheap to the shopkeeper, on the part of the buyer. It's an insult to the shopkeeper if you buy a small piece!)

Anyway, OM's gift of jewelry to Noor has many cultural overtones. I think it also represents a pre-emptive apology.

Here's a passage about the meanings of gold jewelry:



https://americanbedu.com/2012/06/19/saudi-arabia-why-saudi-women-receive-so-much-jewelry/

It would be interesting to know exactly which kind of pieces of jewelry he bought for Noor, IMO.

I have a very hard time believing that authorities "don't know" where Noor is at this time. That would be beyond incompetent.

BBM

Thank you for researching this and finding this information. It's very interested about the gold and jewelery. The sentence I bolded is very important IMO to remember and not dismiss. This is NOT just a hate and gay crime.

 

[mrsobrien]

Wtf.

So has Miguel been tested for hiv.

What type of conversation was that. A person would throw up if the person they were sleeping with told them that they had intercourse with a hiv person prior.

That is very non chalant of Miguel to state it like that. Jmo.

Recall the San Diego Craigslist ad? The term "bug chaser" was used, I believe. There are (probably very few) people that intentionally put themselves and others at risk for HIV exposure.

 

[ninij9]

Well ok then............................

American politician to give away assault rifles at fundraiser

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/world/orlando...fundraiser-20160615-gpjnfm.html#ixzz4CGze3Wi9
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The world's gone mad. I'm not a gun owner (they terrify me), but I believe in our 2nd amendment right and I pray that someday if a family member of mine us in a situation similar to this one that someone has a conceal carry on them and helps.

Having said that, assault rifles and and high velocity repeat action rifles (I'm a dummy with gun names ) should NEVER be sold to the public. Geez, their WHOLE purpose is mass targets. These are for the battlefield (and dont get me started on war). Just my rusty 2 cents.

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[Everyday Grace]

NBC has corrected the date they used for the airline tickets from June 14 to July 14.

The tickets were purchased two days before the June 12 attack to travel to San Francisco on July 14 for two weeks. It's unclear, however, why Mateen would have bought the tickets if he was planning the shooting, only to die in it.

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/or...plane-tickets-after-shooting-official-n596586

 

[cady]

NBC has corrected the date they used for the airline tickets from June 14 to July 14.



http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/or...plane-tickets-after-shooting-official-n596586

LOL STAY TUNED....... (That sort of debunks the ailing mother scenario) Still, it would be interesting to know if Mateen had secured time off from his place of employment for a two week trip to CA.) JMO FBI knows, I presume.