FL FL - Miami, WhtMale 662UMFL, 16-20, blonde, alias 'Bobby Copeland', Jan'88

  • #141
The throat thing is something I just see. Regardless, the homicide of a child is horrific.

Does anyone know where the info regarding him being shot came from?

On page 1 of this thread, back in 2013, someone asked about cause of death and @Reux replied "He was shot and they did catch and prosecute the man responsible," adding this link as a source: Cold Cases: 1980-1989

However, that link doesn't give cause of death. Maybe it used to and has been edited, or maybe the user confused it with one of the other cases on the same page.

Funny how a misconception like this can stick around for eight years...
 
  • #142
I haven't had time to follow up on that yearbook person. Maybe LE could get the school records and see if he is using his SS#?
 
  • #143
Guys....I think I found a match...in my opinion....it's either the guy @apearn found or this - the hair gets me.
 

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  • #144
Guys....I think I found a match...in my opinion....it's either the guy @apearn found or this - the hair gets me.

Do we know who it is this pictures???? Where did you get the pics from?
 
  • #145
This was probably taken in 1987. Also, I am submitting the matches
Do we know who it is this pictures???? Where did you get the pics from?
His name is Robert Copeland. He was from Pensacola. This photo was taken in 1987, I believe. I can’t find any record of him before or after that. I found it on Ancestry.
 
  • #146
This was probably taken in 1987. Also, I am submitting the matches

His name is Robert Copeland. He was from Pensacola. This photo was taken in 1987, I believe. I can’t find any record of him before or after that. I found it on Ancestry.

I really think this is worthwhile pursuing....
 
  • #147
Exclusions
MP7087
MP1 Anthony Allen 10/01/1978 Sebastian AR
MP3117 Steven Anderson 04/07/1975 Burlington NJ
MP2049 Steve Arrowood 04/04/1975 Gaston NC
MP4391 Rogelio Cerda 06/29/1975 Matagorda TX
MP35524 Michael Fischer 08/14/1984 Hartford, CT
MP4615 Michael Gaughan 07/20/1975 El Paso TX
MP41033 Robert Hampton 11/26/1986 Kitsap WA
MP7089 Reed Jeppson 10/11/1964 Salt Lake UT
MP6244 Danny Jones 09/01/1974 Upshur TX
MP2551 Robert Keck 06/30/1979 Lehigh PA
MP1058 John Kinsora 02/26/1982 Maricopa AZ
MP7429 Randall Leach 11/07/1980 Bonneville ID
MP4674 Rodney Longman 03/14/1985 Lancaster NE
MP7512 Darrel Nichols 04/01/1973 Summit UT
MP6482 Brian Page 01/12/1975 Multnomah OR
MP27011 Alan Stanfill 01/13/1988 Baker FL
MP1165 Tom Starkel 12/05/1979 Los Angeles CA
-- Terry Wallace PA
MP4 Mitchel Weiser 07/27/1973 Sullivan NY
MP6800 Chester Wetmore 05/27/1986 Manatee FL
MP6800 Chester Wetmore 05/27/1986 Manatee FL
MP6800 Chester Wetmore 05/27/1986 Manatee FL
 
  • #148
There is this Robert Copeland from Gulf Breeze, a Pensacola suburb, (actually a father and son both have that name) who was married in 1984 and probably too old to be this UID.
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Interestingly, though, I believe I found his father's obituary (brother and sister's name match up), but there is no son Robert listed among the survivors or those who predeceased him. It says the couple would be residing in Gainesville, but I can't find any info on either being there. Someone with better Ancestry access than me might be able to find more info. I'm inclined to think this is not him, though.
 
  • #149
This is just me hoarding information, sharing it and some thoughts.

- His scars are described on Namus:
1-inch circular scar on frontal surface of right forearm
4-inch linear scar on the flexor surface of left forearm
2 2-inch scar present on the anterior prospect of right hip
1-inch scar on left hand
4 1-inch scars left on back of right hand
2 1-inch right arm

Doe network describes them as:
Scars on his left forearm, right forearm, right thigh, and on both wrists.

-The female clothing are described as being 'with' the body, rather than on. There is no mention of them believing them to be his. He was travelling in a group, and if he shared rooms with a girl at some point, they may belong to her or someone in this group. It may not even belonged to any of them.

According to DoeNetwork he was wearing:
White shirt with flag decal; blue jeans; white ankle socks and high-top white and blue sneakers.

Namus states the same and has listed "female clothing" as an accessory and as being "near the body". Going to guess they never quite figured out who owned it.
Accessories
female clothes
Near the Body

Clothing
white shirt with flag decal blue jeans ankle socks
On the Body


Footwear
white socks, high-top blue/white sneakers
On the Body

-From Crimewatchers:
Dentals: Available. Good dental health with no evidence of treatment.

His hair: Light brown to blond; longer in the back, extending to his neck.
This sounds like a mullet no?

His eyes:
Crimewatchers: Gray or brown
Namus: Unknown
Doe Netowrk: Gray or Brown

His teeth looks interesting, added image attachment.
Is this what you call in english: Buckteeth?

I wanted to know what parts of this image was edited. For those who do not read image-nerd stuff. The image below shows various collections of dots. The areas with no dots are edited, in one way or another.
-The eyes are edited in (obvious)
-Part of the hair is blurred, possibly edited in
-It appears some work on the neck and ear to our left (his right). Which makes sense since it appears bigger than the other. The blur tool could also be the reason for this.
-There is also a strange odd, and darker dot on his forehead, which could be the sharp highlight.

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-In this image it looks like he might have moles on his right cheek?

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Last observation:
I have not managed to find cause of death anywhere but one place, and assumed due to the neck edit that he had been strangled, however when I looked at unidentified wiki, his case is tagged "gunshot victims" and the cause of death specifically states "Gunshot (homicide)". Going to guess the gunshot. perhaps, was to somewhere in the neck area, or from the top of the head there and downwards out through the neck...?

I find it interesting that he had such good dental health. Normally drug-use and a transient lifestyle will show through bad dental care and otherwise forms of malnourisment, so maybe he had not been at it for so long?

The scars however I wish I knew more about since it can speak to his state of mind or what he has been through in the past. The circular scar for example: bullet wound or cigarette? burn accident. So on...

Sources:
Bobby Copeland
662UMFL
The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)
Crimewatchers
Bobby Copeland
 

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  • #150
This is just me hoarding information, sharing it and some thoughts.

- His scars are described on Namus:
1-inch circular scar on frontal surface of right forearm
4-inch linear scar on the flexor surface of left forearm
2 2-inch scar present on the anterior prospect of right hip
1-inch scar on left hand
4 1-inch scars left on back of right hand
2 1-inch right arm

Doe network describes them as:
Scars on his left forearm, right forearm, right thigh, and on both wrists.

-The female clothing are described as being 'with' the body, rather than on. There is no mention of them believing them to be his. He was travelling in a group, and if he shared rooms with a girl at some point, they may belong to her or someone in this group. It may not even belonged to any of them.

According to DoeNetwork he was wearing:
White shirt with flag decal; blue jeans; white ankle socks and high-top white and blue sneakers.

Namus states the same and has listed "female clothing" as an accessory and as being "near the body". Going to guess they never quite figured out who owned it.
Accessories
female clothes
Near the Body

Clothing
white shirt with flag decal blue jeans ankle socks
On the Body


Footwear
white socks, high-top blue/white sneakers
On the Body

-From Crimewatchers:
Dentals: Available. Good dental health with no evidence of treatment.

His hair: Light brown to blond; longer in the back, extending to his neck.
This sounds like a mullet no?

His eyes:
Crimewatchers: Gray or brown
Namus: Unknown
Doe Netowrk: Gray or Brown

His teeth looks interesting, added image attachment.
Is this what you call in english: Buckteeth?

I wanted to know what parts of this image was edited. For those who do not read image-nerd stuff. The image below shows various collections of dots. The areas with no dots are edited, in one way or another.
-The eyes are edited in (obvious)
-Part of the hair is blurred, possibly edited in
-It appears some work on the neck and ear to our left (his right). Which makes sense since it appears bigger than the other. The blur tool could also be the reason for this.
-There is also a strange odd, and darker dot on his forehead, which could be the sharp highlight.

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-In this image it looks like he might have moles on his right cheek?

View attachment 320172

Last observation:
I have not managed to find cause of death anywhere but one place, and assumed due to the neck edit that he had been strangled, however when I looked at unidentified wiki, his case is tagged "gunshot victims" and the cause of death specifically states "Gunshot (homicide)". Going to guess the gunshot. perhaps, was to somewhere in the neck area, or from the top of the head there and downwards out through the neck...?

I find it interesting that he had such good dental health. Normally drug-use and a transient lifestyle will show through bad dental care and otherwise forms of malnourisment, so maybe he had not been at it for so long?

The scars however I wish I knew more about since it can speak to his state of mind or what he has been through in the past. The circular scar for example: bullet wound or cigarette? burn accident. So on...

Sources:
Bobby Copeland
662UMFL
The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)
Crimewatchers
Bobby Copeland


Hi, thanks for posting your thoughts

I read somewhere that he was shot to death and that LE made an arrest in his case. I’ll try to find out where I read it.

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Bobby Copeland
 
  • #151
Hi, thanks for posting your thoughts

I read somewhere that he was shot to death and that LE made an arrest in his case. I’ll try to find out where I read it.

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Bobby Copeland

Yeah. I am curious where he was shot. Not even to be morbid or anything I just wonder what the motivation possibly could have been. Jealousy over a woman (hence the female clothing). Entrapment. Etc.

Wonder if his name was something similar to Copeland. Like "Kaplan. Koplan, Coplan, Capland". There is an surprising amount of Robert Copeland names strewn around.

The second reconstruction looks very different to me. But I wonder if the nose here is more accurate? Certainly look older than the other one.
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  • #152
I understand, it is good question. I would imagine the person arrested would have revealed why to police. I seems this person also was the one who told the police about the alias Robert/Bob Copeland.
I don’t know if the person was convicted though?
 
  • #153
I been looking for candidates for Bobby Copeland and can not really find many that fit that have not been ruled out, but I did find this guy (haven't found him ruled out)
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Theodore Malcum /Malcolm Franks [Known as Ted/ Teddy] went missing from Ohio in 1986. Was last seen being chased down the road by two men. So makes sense for him to use an alias. Also makes it rather obvious he pissed off someone at some point.
The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

The police probably sit on more information than they are releasing. Maybe we will know one day? They already caught the culprit so there is no risk of the killer getting away if they do. No need to withhold. Perhaps the killer did not know him. Or even worse, what if the name came from the killer, and he lied /got the wrong person.
 
  • #154
You’re right about the reconstructions. I find the age range 10-21 very stretchy especially when he was found just hour after the crime.
 
  • #155
Good find, I wonder about the tattoos?

The killer could very well be lying about the name/alias…
It doesn’t make sense if LE withhold information about the case if there’s been a conviction. But who knows.
 
  • #156
Good find, I wonder about the tattoos?

The killer could very well be lying about the name/alias…
I doesn’t make sense if LE withhold information about the case if there’s been a conviction.

I wonder too. There is according to Doenetwork no dentals, no dna, and no fingerprints. So I am genuinely a little uncertain how they would go about comparing the two.
4790DMOH - Theodore Malcom Franks
 
  • #157
Good point ;)

According to Namus Theodore has been 29 exclusions. There must be something…
 
  • #158
I wonder if there is anymore information about the case/the person arrested. Maybe from old news articles etc.
So many years ago, before the digital age. Some info of value may have been lost…
 
  • #159
Good point ;)

According to Namus Theodore has been 29 exclusions. There must be something…

Doe network describes it as a dot placed on the web of his hand.

Charley project states this tattoo is on his wrist.
Charley project also states there is another tattoo of a heart on his left hand.

Namus: Heart tattoo on left hand, near thumb and forefinger. Black dot tattoo on wrist.

This dot could be big or small. Seems like a very random thing to tattoo tbh.

Oh! You can see the rule outs (I am unable to use it... :< ) Does it say how they ruled them out by any chance? Anywhere? The Doenetwork appears to been updated in 2017. Images on Namus appears to be from 2017 too.
 
  • #160
Doe network describes it as a dot placed on the web of his hand.

Charley project states this tattoo is on his wrist.
Charley project also states there is another tattoo of a heart on his left hand.

Namus: Heart tattoo on left hand, near thumb and forefinger. Black dot tattoo on wrist.

This dot could be big or small. Seems like a very random thing to tattoo tbh.

Oh! You can see the rule outs (I am unable to use it... :< ) Does it say how they ruled them out by any chance? Anywhere? The Doenetwork appears to been updated in 2017. Images on Namus appears to be from 2017 too.

Yes very weird with the indifferences and details.
I see the exclusions/ruleout, but unfortunately there’s no explanation as to how or why.
 

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