FL FL - Miami, WhtMale 662UMFL, 16-20, blonde, alias 'Bobby Copeland', Jan'88

[Bit of hope]

He told people his name was Robert/Bobby, even thought Copeland was proven not to be his last name.

Maybe I misunderstood. So he used the social security number of a real person with surname Copeland but didn't used this person's given name and used Bobby/Robert instead. Where does that lead us. Is it suggesting his real name could be Bobby/Robert? Or maybe I still don't get it

 

[Grungster]

Maybe I misunderstood. So he used the social security number of a real person with surname Copeland but didn't used this person's given name and used Bobby/Robert instead. Where does that lead us. Is it suggesting his real name could be Bobby/Robert? Or maybe I still don't get it

That could indicate Robert is his actual first name. He also used a different date of birth than the person whose social security number he stole.

 

[Bit of hope]

That could indicate Robert is his actual first name. He also used a different date of birth than the person whose social security number he stole.

Did you do a search on some genealogy websites with the name Bobby and this particular birthday? Or would that be useless? I'm not sure what the implications are if you used a stolen social security number in 1988 or in America in general.

 

[John/Jane Doe]

@Caring1 Hey could you post the NamUs exclusion list for "Bobby Copeland"?

 

[Caring1]

@Caring1 Hey could you post the NamUs exclusion list for "Bobby Copeland"?

22 Missing Person Exclusions

 

[iamshadow21]

This case puts me so much in mind of Kelly (El Dorado Jane Doe) and Dana Dodd (Lavender Doe). Kelly, killed in a hotel and found almost immediately, killer caught and convicted, but because she was living under aliases, no true known identity for decades. And Dana, because she was trapped by circumstances in that predatory, transitory magazine sales job that threw her into the path of the man who killed her. Both their cases were solved through DNA and genealogy, and I have to say, this case looks like it would be a great candidate for that, if there is DNA available. Do we know if any moves like that have been made towards identifying this Doe?

 

[Deel2002]

Here's another interesting bit of information. The person whose social security number the victim was using was named "Copeland", but their first name was not Robert/Bobby...

So what was first name?

 

[Grungster]

So what was first name?

This guy has no connection so I won’t violate his privacy.

He might have been using combined information from different people. I really wonder how he obtained all of this at such a young age. It wasn’t a simple phone book steal because he knew the guy’s social security #…

 

[Deel2002]

This guy has no connection so I won’t violate his privacy.

He might have been using combined information from different people. I really wonder how he obtained all of this at such a young age. It wasn’t a simple phone book steal because he knew the guy’s social security #…

So it was a stolen SS card and it sounds to me like forced labor in a trafficking situation

 

[John/Jane Doe]

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[Bit of hope]

This guy has no connection so I won’t violate his privacy.

He might have been using combined information from different people. I really wonder how he obtained all of this at such a young age. It wasn’t a simple phone book steal because he knew the guy’s social security #…

@Grungster I believe social security numbers were given some kind of code, so you can see in what state they are issued. Would you be willing to share that? Maybe knowing that could give some kind of clue?

 

[rainwaterstill]

@Grungster I believe social security numbers were given some kind of code, so you can see in what state they are issued. Would you be willing to share that? Maybe knowing that could give some kind of clue?

The link below is for historical purposes ONLY. It describes the previous procedures in effect for issuing SS numbers. The procedure for SSN has since changed and the link does not reflect current procedures/practices.

Employer Filing Instructions & Information - Social Security Number Allocations

Social Security Number Allocations

www.ssa.gov

This again is for historical purposes ONLY. The link below breaks down each group of numbers. The procedure for SSN has since changed and does not reflect current SSA procedures/practices.

Employer Filing Instructions & Information - SSN Order of Issuance

SSN Order of Issuance

www.ssa.gov

 

[Grungster]

@Grungster I believe social security numbers were given some kind of code, so you can see in what state they are issued. Would you be willing to share that? Maybe knowing that could give some kind of clue?

It’s redacted from the report for privacy but I imagine the only thing it would show is if Bobby ever used it anywhere else apart from the magazine company

 

[John/Jane Doe]

Has Etan Patz been discarded by any chance? Patz would have been approximately 16 years old in 1988

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

Etan Kalil Patz – The Charley Project

123DMNY - Etan Kalil Patz

 

[iamshadow21]

Etan Kalil Patz – The Charley Project

123DMNY - Etan Kalil Patz

I think most people are pretty sure that Etan was killed almost immediately after he disappeared. And I know they've used DNA for ruleouts for Etan before. If he's in CODIS, and if Bobby is in there, too, they'd run against each other automatically, wouldn't they?

 

[Bit of hope]

Bumping for "Bobby"!

 

[Deleted member 300796]

The real Bobby Copeland is a noted book author who primarily specializes in writing about Western/cowboy movies. He specializes in writing about the actors who starred in the B westerns. He became fascinated with the B westerns at a very young age.

Link: http://www.cowboydirectory.com/C/Copeland_Bobby/Copeland__Bobby.html

He is also a frequent speaker at cowboy conventions and cowboy film festivals, and helped get at least one person into the Cowboy Hall of Fame.

I wonder if the UID liked cowboy movies, was from a "cowboy state" such as MT, WY, or the Dakotas; or had some connection to the Oak Ridge, Tennessee area, where Bobby Copeland is from.

I looked up the books as well and I believe they were written after the UP’s death.

I wondered if it’s possible Bobby Copeland was the name he took from a deceased friend or relative who died young?

There is a Robert Copeland from MA who died in 1978 at age 19

 

[Deleted member 300796]

I think most people are pretty sure that Etan was killed almost immediately after he disappeared. And I know they've used DNA for ruleouts for Etan before. If he's in CODIS, and if Bobby is in there, too, they'd run against each other automatically, wouldn't they?

I was told last week that if there is DNA in COTIS that matches another, it would automatically show the match

 

[iamshadow21]

I was told last week that if there is DNA in COTIS that matches another, it would automatically show the match

But I think only if it's the same kind of sample. A case with mtDNA and one with nuclear DNA don't compare.

 

[Deleted member 300796]

But I think only if it's the same kind of sample. A case with mtDNA and one with nuclear DNA don't compare.

I do not know much about the various types of DNA but the expert I spoke to said if the MP and UP both have DNA in COTIS and they match it will show the match. She did not specify different types