FL - Michelle Mishcon, 53, & John Stevens, 59, brutally murdered, Tequesta, 15 Aug 2016 - #2

[glf]

Sounds like since this interview was taped around the 25th, more and more signs of organ failure and caustic substance Austin drank could certainly cause brain damage, and docs are probably not certain how much more physical damage is being done from whatever nasty stuff he drank. Obviously it did a number on his liver since this poison most likely did not all metabolize prior to the liver damage. I wouldn't be too surprised if damage continues to occur from the stuff he drank D/T the body's inability to remove it from his tissues and bloodstream. My nsg experience tells me it could end up being fatal. Some poisons can be fatal soon after it enters the body, and some whittle away tissue a little at a time.
And I agree his parents and sister should be allowed to see him with a member of LE present. I'm sure it is eating them alive knowing they could lose him and being kept at bay at this time.

 

[ATasteOfHoney]

Ok, here is a few things that stuck out to me so far...

-Girlfriend, she is upset & showed one pic of her.
-2 weeks ago, he started acting different. Gave numerous examples, but he said he worked at the dental office & started embarrassing dad getting too personal. Dad said like speaking of religion.
-dad said no roids, he was proud he done it on his own.
-dad wants to know who poisoned him, but when questioned he agreed he could have got it out of the garage.
-dad said the howling noise was because his throat was burning..

Paranoid schizotypal disorder?

Moo

 

[GeeEm]

Agree! He said police stopped them from seeing him.

I feel bad for dad, but everything isn't adding up for me. I didn't like when he seemed to stop crying when talking about the victims about half way thru the show..but I'm not judge, jury or Jesus. So just saying...

This show was not live, it was pre-taped and now WH is lawered-up meaning everything he has said on national tv can be used in a court of law about his son.

Basing, on other shows, all are looked and viewed by lawyers to see if what is said will be ok!

WH really DID NOT say anything that we already knew and have discussed before, basically MSM.

Thanks ~

jmo :moo:

 

[GeeEm]

September 7, 2016
WH is going to be on Dr Drew tonight giving another interview!!! :deadhorse:



JMO :cow:

 

[CARIIS]

Depressed. No tv cable. Found 4 clips You Tube. Then decided to try google found it here:

[video=youtube;1EpydFMON70]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EpydFMON70[/video]

Going to watch now, the clips I saw he seemed authentic - and explained the calm walk walk out on video. It is all so sad - gonna watch now so sad..........................

 

[bluesneakers]

Hi CARIIS and thank you! I tuned in too late to watch.

 

[glf]

Yes, thanks! Today was payday, so naturally we were out taking care of bills and shopping and laundry. So much fun! Did too much, now my hips and legs feel like they are ready to fall off. At least we can still watch it!

 

[bluesneakers]

AH is sure trying to convince everyone he's not taking steroids.

 

[Wifey13]

This show was not live, it was pre-taped and now WH is lawered-up meaning everything he has said on national tv can be used in a court of law about his son.

Basing, on other shows, all are looked and viewed by lawyers to see if what is said will be ok!

WH really DID NOT say anything that we already knew and have discussed before, basically MSM.

Thanks ~

jmo :moo:

Whoa, I only meant with that last line...that it really doesn't matter what I think about that 3 seconds of video. I hate giving my opinion on here, because it can so easily be taken the wrong way. I said I feel bad for dad & I do! I also feel terrible for the victims families.

There was things said by Dad that I DID NOT know.

 

[Curious Me]

Here's some notes in my own words from watching the Wade Harrouff interview on Dr. Phil Show on September 7, 2016.

This interview took place about ten days after the murders, and Austin was just gaining consciousness but was still in critical condition. It's now been a little over three weeks since the murders, and Austin has still not spoke to LE or been charged.

(Please note that this whole interview and the info presented was not in any order, nor was it easy to gather who was along on the walk, etc., MOO, the interview was all over the place and subject matter was really only half covered.)

(Half the interview was about what a good kid Austin was before this happened. Austin was kind, very nice, happy kid. Dr. Phil asked if he ever showed signs...Dad said he never showed cruelty to animals (father didn't mention him recently killing that bird though).


--Father and son went on a four hour walk, not sure if anyone else was with them. Father called it a trip, said he teased Austin about alligators as they were walking. Something about Austin looking at some tortoise shell pieces and a AH acting like there was a "menacing presence" around. AH ran three straight miles, I guess that day.

--Austin had been quiet, acting different, and talking strange for about two weeks. His father Wade thought he could snap him back, "We can lick this thing." and "Come on Austin."

--That evening his father and girlfriend, Carrie, all drank tea at the restaurant and then AH goes to the rest room and vanishes. (he had done that several times that week per Wade) AH ends up at his mother's and she texts them at the restaurant. He drank oil at Mom's and father thinks he was probably dehydrated from their walk.

--Ends up back at the restaurant where his father grabbed him by the shirt and shook him saying, "What's wrong with you?!!" Father thinks this embarrassed AH and he leaves the restaurant. I guess no one went after AH because father gets a call at 2 a.m. that night, and he expects it to be the news that they found AH, not about him killing people.

--Finds out his son killed people. Father says son "was poisoned" and that his insides are inflamed. His esophagus was burnt. His airways were closing and that would cause the growling sounds he was making. Where did the poisoning come from? Yes, he could've drank it in the couple's garage because he did that with the Wesson oil before. Father wonders if he was trying to get rides or got a ride that night.

--Two weeks ago Austin got quiet. He'd walked away before about three times without explanation. He changed, and wasn't sleeping well, acting restless, and would be pacing the floors. He became more driven to find answers. He was reading about Gandi, Tony Roberts, and talking about being a rapper. He had dreams of helping people. He saw homeless people for the first time. AH was working in his father's dental office and started talking too personal to patients. Father said it was religious type stuff about how AH wanted to help people.

--Fraternity brothers now say their were some weird encounters with Austin, but he was known to be a joker and they didn't take it as serious signs. One of his closer friends said AH mentioned the devil talking to him, but he thought it was a joke. (MOO, many religious people say the devil is tempting them to start drinking again or taking a drug, so that's not always a sign of mental illness.)

--Wade the father said he was a nerdy kid and that football helped him a lot. He wanted Austin to have football too...and it made him popular and helped him socially like it did for Wade.

--AH video shown about his not needing STEROIDS or drugs. Father says that video is the when the beginning of a psychosis began. Father denies AH would do steroids because as far as he knew AH was always against them. He may have smoked marijuana and drank beer before, but the last couple of weeks he got rigid in his thinking about not doing anything, harmful I'd guess.

--Father wants to talk to his son because Austin would tell the story even if he's guilty. He knows Austin would tell you.

--Austin's mother is stunned, in disbelief, and is crying all the time reports Wade. No mention of what the sister is thinking or feeling.

--Austin had a girlfriend. (showed pic of them, she's in white bikini but face blurred out) Austin loved her and she loved him. She's in shock that this happened. (No mention if she saw any red flag warnings that AH was changing.)

--Clip of Ivy Stevens the victim's daughter and all the emotions and the anger she's feeling. She wants Austin to recover and face the consequences.

--Half of what Wade shared was about what a good person and son Austin was before this psychological break. Yes, he thinks Austin is already aware and knows what he's done. He's never going to be the same. He was a Gentle Giant, worked hard in the gym, benching 360, never missed a day. What happened is not even close to normal of who Austin was. People want to demonize AH now, but that isn't who he was.

--Mental illness in the family includes one case of severe depression, and light mention of someone with schizophrenia but nothing was elaborated. FATHER SAID HE DID CALL A PSYCHOLOGIST HE KNEW THAT DAY BEFORE THE MURDERS HAPPENED. Not sure I believe he called to get any emergency help at that point because the father still believed, IMO, he could snap AH out of any mental illness. He's not really taking any responsibility for ignoring the warning signs, IMO, father actually thought he could make AH start acting right again. Anyways, I think this was a friend psychologist who called him back day or two later, but it was too late.

--Dr. Phil thinks there's signs of mental illness in the religiosity, grandiosity, and paranoia.

--Carrie, Wade's girlfriend, came on the last five minutes alone to talk with DrP. I note that Carrie seems much younger than Wade, and she's a very attractive, soft-spoken woman. She had only good things to say about AH from knowing him and observing him for awhile, but the last two weeks he was very, VERY QUIET. She talked to Austin before they headed out to the restaurant that night. From what I understood, she tried to talk with him, share personal teen stories, tried to tell Austin he was fine before and didn't need to change drastically. Austin acted agreeable, but stayed quiet. They go to the restaurant for dinner. She didn't see any of this ahead of time. It's unreal and horrific, and it's a nightmare.

--No mention was made about the switchblade knife and who gave it to Austin only a week ago.

--Everyone, according to the father, agrees that Austin was not acting the same, and was showing signs of being troubled and in distress, but no one took him for actual professional mental help. Father feels guilty, keeps going back over things, feels guilty that HE wasn't able to STOP HIM.

--Father doesn't seem to be considering son taking flakka or any drugs. He seems to be dismissing steroid use and what going off them would do.

--MOO, I think the main reason father wanted to do this interview was to start claiming his son must have been suffering mental illness which may be the sad truth of it, but it could've been from Austin going off steroids. He'd still have needed professional help in that instance. MOO, eventually his father will have to realize it wasn't something he could make his son "snap out of".

The interview left me sad for every single person that has been hurt by what happened. I do think Austin was showing signs for longer than two weeks. He started posting those videos five months ago. I do think he might have taken steroids and tried to stop, and wish whatever was going on with him that he had seen a professional health care provider sooner. JMO at this point.

 

[GeeEm]

Whoa, I only meant with that last line...that it really doesn't matter what I think about that 3 seconds of video. I hate giving my opinion on here, because it can so easily be taken the wrong way. I said I feel bad for dad & I do! I also feel terrible for the victims families.

There was things said by Dad that I DID NOT know.

Huh?

I don't think I was referring to you nor anyone in particular Wifey13. I was making a statement regarding the show I watched on Dr Phil today.

I never not one time stated feelings for either side in my post, if you reread it or I can retype it.

I think you must have my post confused with someone elses???????

All I stated was "On Dr Phil today, the whole hour, WH really never said anything, that hasn't been discussed here on this forum, read in MSM, nor debated.

His girlfriend was on there, but due to TOS we are not allowed to discuss her and she said nothing as well of importance, I think.

Again, not sure what you are referring too???

FYI: Been following this case since it broke, not sure if you are a new poster, or just started following the case, but reading the full threads will certainly shine some light on the subject, a poster InTheDetails did. :sunshine:

jmo :moo:

 

[relay]

In the video above, there is a point at which Austin speaks in his personal video about how he doesn't need steroids and that they are bad for him (paraphrasing). From the language he chose I get the sense that he may have done steroids in the recent past. If so, and if he was in the process of or had recently gone off steroids, I wonder if he was also developing schizophrenia and that perhaps unsupervised withdrawal from steroid use may have triggered his bizarre behavior and maybe even acute schizophrenia. In the video above, Austin's father also stated that he added Parmesan cheese to Wesson Oil and ate it. It appears he may also have ingested a caustic substance and may have been poisoned/poisoned himself. His behavior was so unusual that I am leaning towards withdrawal of a drug, steroids or both in addition to the development of acute schizophrenia. I have a gut feeling he may have had other signs prior to the two weeks but not anything like the two weeks prior to his brutal attacks. Horrific! I cannot imagine what the loved ones of the victims, and the loved ones of Austin are going through.

 

[CARIIS]

Whoa, I only meant with that last line...that it really doesn't matter what I think about that 3 seconds of video. I hate giving my opinion on here, because it can so easily be taken the wrong way. I said I feel bad for dad & I do! I also feel terrible for the victims families.

There was things said by Dad that I DID NOT know.

I am with you! Lots of nuance that IMO fits and is helpful. We got one angle of the three hour run at frantic pace . Its hot as hell literally. Adds some notion about the drinking. Obviously I beleive mental issues are hughly invovned while at the same time dehydration, especially for someone who is already sliding can bring on hallucaintions etc .

I am saying that concretly not really. Contirbuatry in some way and expalins two eposides of thirst being overwhelming in two instances within a short peroid of time.

Also got a deydrated guy from the walk that afternoone, walk to moms and wallk back to dads. For someone starting out deyhydrated that ca help with the final act.

I found the walking to the bathroom far more congruent with the tape.

Had some concerns about the decomp (dont know where he was living for how long yet) but obviouly the deteriation started at least (now 6 months) ago - just based on the pecularity of his YT posts.


Had some issues with the piece about his best friend thinking he was joking around. If my best friend was a joker, I would think I would be able to determine if this was him being his usual jokester. If you think about it - if I thought you were just being yourself, why would I engage in conversation with your firends dad about Austin just being Austin- makes no sense.

One would thing friends would be able to determine , for half a year, if he was just joking around or something was starting.

Based on that I would have to conclude that the "friend" knew things were amiss.

Also a bit "lost" about the "psychologist" friend or not, duty to warn is there, I would have said sorry, but I am concenred and as your firend and professionial based on what you describing, Wade, I want you to know I am calling LE and suggusting when they encocnter him they bring him to ER. Just a professional telling them to please do that makes it much more likely to do it and do so quickly - its not their arena.

It would almost be a relief to dad IMO, "I did not have my son committed", but at least he is safe. Aftrer a couple of years, I really did not have "trouble" converting a need for invol to agreeing to go. It may have taken some time, but if done if with empathy , not engaging, like I saw so many do, in a power and control deal quietly for the pt there is releif - they are in a safe place, not alone, and can be placed in less stimulating environs which can help calm the brain.

Often after DC they would thank me. Lots of clincians have not seen there pts again becasue they set it up to where it was power deal instead of a concern for the pts safety.

The gfriends deal was a little I dont know. Its like mixed, in all sorts of ways each of them were acknowledging an emerging awareness, while not taking any action. Its not like encouraging someone to see a therapist is like a torture or punishment.

In an educated setting,(dad)the "hestancy " to make one appt seems a bit confusing IMO. Its not locking someone up - its 45 minutes! If anything dad could have gotten some feedback himself about his concerns.

Somewhat confused about the daughter bringing him back, I was pretty sure that mom actually said SHE bought him back, but maybe I confused that.

Did not know what to make of the he had been histching rides the last couple of weeks and/or someone may have drove him to the victims house - that makes no sense, why would some stranger drive him to a wrong house?

DOnt think in this day and age anyone would be fine with their kid at any age supposedly hitchiking like the 70's, I dont know!!

DOnt rememver, --anyone off hand remember if the boating video was about the time frame dad said -- a "couple" of weeks ago?? I thought further back but not sure.

In a strange way it did put stuff into "order" if that is possible in this.

It also made me ponder if he did actually drink the substance (same as Wesson) just thirst, way before he got there on his walk home, and by the time he got there the stuff was really kicking in. I would think drinking some gasoline or something might kinda make you , after dehydrating, tension with dad, fatigue, not sleeping can all by themselves result in psycotic break.

I am not medical but in some fashion if throat and lungs are burning it makes some sense that I might grunt growl whatever , in an effort to "clear" it. Some coughs can sound like that! My bet would be lungs are not doing a "good" job of getting oxygen so just relfex wise it might result in louder efforts to grasp some air moo

Most of us agree that in the duffy video he looked way skinny - so we might conclude that he was not eating normatively either. In a bizaire way that kinda can fit into putting the cheese in it at least he is getting something to eat. You know moms and food etcetc.

no matter if we ever get any answer, whatever the options I do not think he will remember - if just on the notion of denial. The kid has some , if he returns to cognitive functioning, a heap of info to comprehend - that in itself could result in compelling denial in order to survive. just in and of itself.

Some of the info seems "checkable". They could ask his pts if any of them encountered him (Austin) at wades office and he was behaving oddly, just in terms of checking out some of dads info.

Dads reporting that he had on three occasions just left, fits for me. They can get focused on something and lose context that he was just at the table with dad eating, some thought starts in his head and he has to go .

It also explains the lack of instant action on their part. If it happened before and he retuerned home safe and sound it could explain the time lapse before mom called 911- nothing bad happened before. On the same hand it would have been interesting to know how long he "vansihed " the first times .

I am glad he is doing another one (interview) - it would be interesting to see what or how things have changed in terms of whatever he reports tongiht with the passage of time, and lots of hanging out with attornies!

If it has not aired if someone knows a was to capture it to post here that would be great - pondering if there is a delay before it gets "findable" on google

gonna try to look in a minute but shockwave player is being a bad boy right now and getting ready for a time out!!!

Obvioulsy all specualtion at the end of the day, the interview resulted in my having mcuh more compassion for dad, I expected him to be more lawyerey, the time he took to respond to his questions was rapid fire, appearing , at least to me, that he was not going back to rehearsed stuff.

IMO, his teary outbursts also felt as if they occurred in a context wherein dad was having a fond memory of his son, spewed when he verbilized guilt, etc etc- IMO thier onset was congruent with the dialog.

As far as PHil goes hated him colleague wise from day one- way to confontationial and absorbed with "being" right endlessly. Did not feel like a clinical interaction at all, felt like a male Operah (cant stand her) - no wonder she made "him"!

Never have seen his show before and based on the teases tongiht it sure seems like all his shows now are like that Muary Povatch guy years ago- dealing with people and stories that are tabloid at best - voyer audiences Tommorow Dr Phil talks with the man who ate rats for the last 6 years, of next week Dr Phil talks with woman who set both her hands on fire - just tabloid junk.

Look at the title of this one - give me a break -thats about getting viewers, bigger ad rates, and a better salary - thats not a clinican whose motivation is to fascilatate another human find a way that they can make their lives easier or better or less of a struggle - he is a capitlist money hungry exploiting people for his own finanical gain, his therupetic style to any client with any issue is to confront the hell out of anyone.

Think about it , has anyone ever found being confronted helpful resulting in change. If anything it requres the person being confronted having to defend themselves and or come reason with "why" they are doing "that" - so actually it is reinforcing the "reasons" - and verbilize it.

Stop speeding. I like speeding - it just reinforced it - reminding the person that they enjoy driving fast!!!


ANyone ever, really confronted someone so often and intensly that it resulted i extinction of the behavior?? Negative reinforcement does has rewards.


moo

 

[bluesneakers]

The dehydration part bothered me too. I've been there and got weak and disoriented - and several times had to go to the emergency room to get an IV. I know it's all hindsight now and there's no way they could have predicted what happened but if it's true it upsets me he let his son go off like that.

 

[Wifey13]

Huh?

I don't think I was referring to you nor anyone in particular Wifey13. I was making a statement regarding the show I watched on Dr Phil today.

I never not one time stated feelings for either side in my post, if you reread it or I can retype it.

I think you must have my post confused with someone elses???????

All I stated was "On Dr Phil today, the whole hour, WH really never said anything, that hasn't been discussed here on this forum, read in MSM, nor debated.

His girlfriend was on there, but due to TOS we are not allowed to discuss her and she said nothing as well of importance, I think.

Again, not sure what you are referring too???

FYI: Been following this case since it broke, not sure if you are a new poster, or just started following the case, but reading the full threads will certainly shine some light on the subject, a poster InTheDetails did. :sunshine:

jmo :moo:

You quoted my post &with your response. I just wanted to clear up anything that may have been misunderstood. If I took your post wrong, I apologize. I was sincerely trying to clear up anything I said that was taken wrong. I have read all of the posts in each thread. I normally just read & don't post..I will go back to that. Sorry for any confusion.

 

[glf]

The dehydration part bothered me too. I've been there and got weak and disoriented - and several times had to go to the emergency room to get an IV. I know it's all hindsight now and there's no way they could have predicted what happened but if it's true it upsets me he let his son go off like that.

My nephew used to work for a company that made cabinets, no air conditioning, just open doors and fans. Believe me, SE Kan gets HOT in the summer! He had to go at least three times to ER before he found a job with air conditioning. My son had it happen to him twice when he was working for a work over company on drlg rigs. Guess it runs in the family... I either get heat exhaustion or a migraine from hades!

 

[GeeEm]

You quoted my post &with your response. I just wanted to clear up anything that may have been misunderstood. If I took your post wrong, I apologize. I was sincerely trying to clear up anything I said that was taken wrong. I have read all of the posts in each thread. I normally just read & don't post..I will go back to that. Sorry for any confusion.

Apology accepted Wifey13

I was only posting, actually to myself, with my own thoughts, wasn't directed to anyone, that is why I couldn't figure out what you meant?

Anyways, you stated you were "afraid to voice your opinion" why? Don't feel that way, I am familiar with most of the posters and they are super nice and very respectful

We can all agree to disagree, but my original post wasn't about agreeing to disagree, confusion all cleared :laughing:

Thanks ~

jmo :moo:

 

[Jax49]

Did anyone see the WH interview with Dr. Drew?

 

[Curious Me]

I've had dehydration where my blood pressure went super low and I felt weak. I wouldn't have had super human strength then. AH did an incredible amount of walking that day it sounds. He did drink tea at the restaurant. He could've drank water there, and at his mother's instead of the oil. Was there another reason he was so dehydrated that he'd drink anything including a caustic fluid? What made him have such super human strength? If he was dehydrated why wasn't he feeling weak and tired? AH drank something that will probably give him life-long health problems. I feel we all need to understand what he drank, why and if there was a motive to self harm, and when he drank it, and the timing in relation to the attacks.

This whole case is full of odd facts and unanswered questions.

 

[CARIIS]

Here's some notes in my own words from watching the Wade Harrouff interview on Dr. Phil Show on September 7, 2016.

This interview took place about ten days after the murders, and Austin was just gaining consciousness but was still in critical condition. It's now been a little over three weeks since the murders, and Austin has still not spoke to LE or been charged.

(Please note that this whole interview and the info presented was not in any order, nor was it easy to gather who was along on the walk, etc., MOO, the interview was all over the place and subject matter was really only half covered.)

(Half the interview was about what a good kid Austin was before this happened. Austin was kind, very nice, happy kid. Dr. Phil asked if he ever showed signs...Dad said he never showed cruelty to animals (father didn't mention him recently killing that bird though).


--Father and son went on a four hour walk, not sure if anyone else was with them. Father called it a trip, said he teased Austin about alligators as they were walking. Something about Austin looking at some tortoise shell pieces and a AH acting like there was a "menacing presence" around. AH ran three straight miles, I guess that day.

--Austin had been quiet, acting different, and talking strange for about two weeks. His father Wade thought he could snap him back, "We can lick this thing." and "Come on Austin."

--That evening his father and girlfriend, Carrie, all drank tea at the restaurant and then AH goes to the rest room and vanishes. (he had done that several times that week per Wade) AH ends up at his mother's and she texts them at the restaurant. He drank oil at Mom's and father thinks he was probably dehydrated from their walk.

--Ends up back at the restaurant where his father grabbed him by the shirt and shook him saying, "What's wrong with you?!!" Father thinks this embarrassed AH and he leaves the restaurant. I guess no one went after AH because father gets a call at 2 a.m. that night, and he expects it to be the news that they found AH, not about him killing people.

--Finds out his son killed people. Father says son "was poisoned" and that his insides are inflamed. His esophagus was burnt. His airways were closing and that would cause the growling sounds he was making. Where did the poisoning come from? Yes, he could've drank it in the couple's garage because he did that with the Wesson oil before. Father wonders if he was trying to get rides or got a ride that night.

--Two weeks ago Austin got quiet. He'd walked away before about three times without explanation. He changed, and wasn't sleeping well, acting restless, and would be pacing the floors. He became more driven to find answers. He was reading about Gandi, Tony Roberts, and talking about being a rapper. He had dreams of helping people. He saw homeless people for the first time. AH was working in his father's dental office and started talking too personal to patients. Father said it was religious type stuff about how AH wanted to help people.

--Fraternity brothers now say their were some weird encounters with Austin, but he was known to be a joker and they didn't take it as serious signs. One of his closer friends said AH mentioned the devil talking to him, but he thought it was a joke. (MOO, many religious people say the devil is tempting them to start drinking again or taking a drug, so that's not always a sign of mental illness.)

--Wade the father said he was a nerdy kid and that football helped him a lot. He wanted Austin to have football too...and it made him popular and helped him socially like it did for Wade.

--AH video shown about his not needing STEROIDS or drugs. Father says that video is the when the beginning of a psychosis began. Father denies AH would do steroids because as far as he knew AH was always against them. He may have smoked marijuana and drank beer before, but the last couple of weeks he got rigid in his thinking about not doing anything, harmful I'd guess.

--Father wants to talk to his son because Austin would tell the story even if he's guilty. He knows Austin would tell you.

--Austin's mother is stunned, in disbelief, and is crying all the time reports Wade. No mention of what the sister is thinking or feeling.

--Austin had a girlfriend. (showed pic of them, she's in white bikini but face blurred out) Austin loved her and she loved him. She's in shock that this happened. (No mention if she saw any red flag warnings that AH was changing.)

--Clip of Ivy Stevens the victim's daughter and all the emotions and the anger she's feeling. She wants Austin to recover and face the consequences.

--Half of what Wade shared was about what a good person and son Austin was before this psychological break. Yes, he thinks Austin is already aware and knows what he's done. He's never going to be the same. He was a Gentle Giant, worked hard in the gym, benching 360, never missed a day. What happened is not even close to normal of who Austin was. People want to demonize AH now, but that isn't who he was.

--Mental illness in the family includes one case of severe depression, and light mention of someone with schizophrenia but nothing was elaborated. FATHER SAID HE DID CALL A PSYCHOLOGIST HE KNEW THAT DAY BEFORE THE MURDERS HAPPENED. Not sure I believe he called to get any emergency help at that point because the father still believed, IMO, he could snap AH out of any mental illness. He's not really taking any responsibility for ignoring the warning signs, IMO, father actually thought he could make AH start acting right again. Anyways, I think this was a friend psychologist who called him back day or two later, but it was too late.

--Dr. Phil thinks there's signs of mental illness in the religiosity, grandiosity, and paranoia.

--Carrie, Wade's girlfriend, came on the last five minutes alone to talk with DrP. I note that Carrie seems much younger than Wade, and she's a very attractive, soft-spoken woman. She had only good things to say about AH from knowing him and observing him for awhile, but the last two weeks he was very, VERY QUIET. She talked to Austin before they headed out to the restaurant that night. From what I understood, she tried to talk with him, share personal teen stories, tried to tell Austin he was fine before and didn't need to change drastically. Austin acted agreeable, but stayed quiet. They go to the restaurant for dinner. She didn't see any of this ahead of time. It's unreal and horrific, and it's a nightmare.

--No mention was made about the switchblade knife and who gave it to Austin only a week ago.

--Everyone, according to the father, agrees that Austin was not acting the same, and was showing signs of being troubled and in distress, but no one took him for actual professional mental help. Father feels guilty, keeps going back over things, feels guilty that HE wasn't able to STOP HIM.

--Father doesn't seem to be considering son taking flakka or any drugs. He seems to be dismissing steroid use and what going off them would do.

--MOO, I think the main reason father wanted to do this interview was to start claiming his son must have been suffering mental illness which may be the sad truth of it, but it could've been from Austin going off steroids. He'd still have needed professional help in that instance. MOO, eventually his father will have to realize it wasn't something he could make his son "snap out of".

The interview left me sad for every single person that has been hurt by what happened. I do think Austin was showing signs for longer than two weeks. He started posting those videos five months ago. I do think he might have taken steroids and tried to stop, and wish whatever was going on with him that he had seen a professional health care provider sooner. JMO at this point.

that is my prevelant emtional response to the interview --sadness -- what a mess it is almost as if I hope he does not remember anything about that night- there is gonna really be no way to "expalin" it.

If the tests come back negative, it makes the whole thing profoudly sad...............

on that note (results), I know nothing about it but it is just so hard to beleive that it takes so long --I am guessing but i dont think it involves like growing in a petri dish or something I envision looking at cells or something


I would also think cause the high profile of the case, some white male priviledge thrown in , and financial resources it could have been put in the top10 and out! I dont know tho if they will release it??????

I was surprised at low blood pressure - I would think bath salts flakka would result in very high not life threatening low? Could that be another clue that it was not designer drugs?? It does fit with dehyration tho does it not??

Dont know if steroid w/drawal would result in drop of bp - medical folks here what does the BP mean/lean you??