FL - Michelle Mishcon, 53, & John Stevens, 59, brutally murdered, Tequesta, 15 Aug 2016 - #2

[jjenny]

Not that I think this is likely but also I don't see it out of the realm of possibility that AH could have Wilson's Disease, which these are article on two British teens who had been misdiagnosed:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/a...ctors-told-SIX-times-just-moody-teenager.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/a...ager-emergency-transplant-turning-YELLOW.html

Symptoms include fatigue and uncontrolled movements (teenage sufferer in your first link is in wheelchair, teenager in the second link was often too ill to even get out of bed), while AH is described as extremely strong. So, it doesn't fit.

 

[SpanishInquisition]

Symptoms include fatigue and uncontrolled movements (teenage sufferer in your first link is in wheelchair, teenager in the second link was often too ill to even get out of bed), while AH is described as extremely strong. So, it doesn't fit.

The symptoms can include that, but it doesn't mean it will manifest itself with all those symptoms. Wilson's disease can first manifest itself with psychiatric symptoms, which they give an example of a patient who turned violent whenever she went off her meds:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2824985/
Which this cites psychiatric-onset happening 10% of the time:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18789784
Wilson's is a progressive disease where they long you have the more and the worse your symptoms become including causing permanent damage, like the kid in the wheelchair is in the wheelchair due to permanent damage to his body caused by copper, not ongoing affects of WD.

 

[jjenny]

The symptoms can include that, but it doesn't mean it will manifest itself with all those symptoms. Wilson's disease can first manifest itself with psychiatric symptoms, which they give an example of a patient who turned violent whenever she went off her meds:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2824985/
Which this cites psychiatric-onset happening 10% of the time:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18789784
Wilson's is a progressive disease where they long you have the more and the worse your symptoms become including causing permanent damage, like the kid in the wheelchair is in the wheelchair due to permanent damage to his body caused by copper, not ongoing affects of WD.

What symptoms does he have that would be consistent with the disease? If psychiatric, then they could be much more easily explained by other diseases ,like schizophrenia, which supposedly runs in the family (and it has a genetic component to it) . Presenting with such extreme psychiatric symptoms would seem to be very unusual for Wilson's disease.

"As can be seen from the graph below, schizophrenia definitely has a very significant genetic component."
http://www.schizophrenia.com/research/hereditygen.htm

 

[SpanishInquisition]

What symptoms does he have that would be consistent with the disease? If psychiatric, then they could be much more easily explained by other diseases ,like schizophrenia, which supposedly runs in the family (and it has a genetic component to it) . Presenting with such extreme psychiatric symptoms would seem to be very unusual for Wilson's disease.

"As can be seen from the graph below, schizophrenia definitely has a very significant genetic component."
http://www.schizophrenia.com/research/hereditygen.htm

Actually schizophrenia itself can be misdiagnosed as schizophrenia-like symptoms are one of the ways WD can show up as, which the Schizophrenia website itself lists WD as a schizophrenia imitator:
http://schizophrenia.com/family/misdiag.html
This was someone who was misdiagnosed with schizophrenia for 10 years but really had WD and this was their first signs and symptoms:
The first signs and symptoms (elementary visual pseudohallucination, commanding auditory hallucination, delusion of grandiosity, delusion of reference, inappropriate affect and abstract thinking, excessive anger, irritability, physical quarrel, inappropriate laugh, early insomnia, disinhibited behaviors such as masturbation in front of the others) appeared at the age of 23.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3544121/
Psychotic WD is rare, but so is what happened. Without knowing the tox results amongst other things, I'm throwing out possibilities, which it looks like WD can be a real problem with misdiagnosis as someone having purely psychiatric problems.

 

[TDW59]

I am in awe of you'all's mad sleuthing/research skills!

Here's a link for what it's worth, if anything: http://www.schizophrenia.com/sznews/archives/004870.html

Notice that it calls for a blood screen for Wilson's.

It named anger, excitement & agitation as possible precursors of violence

I can point to each of these in what we know of AH: anger-arguing with dad, leaving the restaurant multiple times in the last week. excitement - his new mission with the homeless and his superpowers Agitation - the pacing + risk factor of substance abuse

My theory is murder-suicide. But this doesn't fit the odds a whole lot better than others because of his weapon choices. And that only speaks to my belief that he ingested the poison as an act of suicide, which is known to happen.

I still think the violence was at least partly attributable to drug use on top of illness.

ETA:http://www.schizophrenia.com/sznews/archives/003380.html violence not such an anomaly in some schizophrenics.

Back to reading....

 

[CARIIS]

This case just makes me so incredibly sad. So many lives ruined, and so many questions left unanswered.

IMO, metal illness doesn't explain the whole thing. I strongly believe that he ingested some kind of drug, bath salts being the obvious possibility, because it sounds eerily similar to other cases I've heard about where people have ended up killing and/or cannibalizing other people. I just don't think a sudden mental break explains what happened. From what I've seen, this kid was going through some extreme mental stress, and may have been struggling with an undiagnosed mental illness, but something else had to have happened for him to end up killing two people in such a way.

I agree, I think mental falling, with an element that speeded up the where we are.

That could be blood splatter, but I'm not certain. And I would think it would be on things besides the floor if that were the case. I can't imagine getting in a physical fight in there with stuff everywhere! Looks like they needed to have a yard sale!

Just got on , going back and forth - I felt bad, then there were some of you said the stuff I was thinking when I ran across the pic. It looks like regular disarray. It is interesting (this place always is!) at the opposite reactions, this does not look like violence (the pic) just a mess!

Its all sadd- it was theirs whatever.

I do go back to mom and dad and two weeks noticing something was off. In the duffies tape he looks scranny,dressed shelpy (not like someone who is aware of self looks- which is different from others). If youlook at his other pics he was in form fitting clothes, did not look like someone ready to break out into a nasty rap song whle shooting gang signs!

When we all were doing pics - we noticed this stuff. How anyone around him, just in terms of depression, did not grasp something is amazing to me.

Looking inside the garage it has struck me with the animal motif, especially with the stuffed deer head and possibly stuffed bird. I wonder if that played any role in him making animal noises when LE arrived. I know the father blamed chemicals for him making those noises, but I don't think that explains it if he was able to verbalize at least that he'd pass a drug test. Also I wonder what entrances there are to the garage, like I'm not seeing the bar - which AH apparently went to - where if that was on the left, the wife could have entered from a door on the right or at least it could have somehow entered his brain that she's an animal rather than a human. If she started talking, it could have seemed to AH that the deer was talking. I'm sort of reminded from Fawlty Towers when the major thinks he's talking to an animatronic moose. I do really wonder what else - if anything - AH said before going into a coma and what it was in response to with him denying any drug use.

Your posts are terrificTY! There are so many here that are. In a lot of cases, its reading them, and it is a (I am not grunting - but it is an aloud ummmm, I never thought of that). Exastsy makes people horney. I do not know (unless maybe they really dont know) but am reallly wondering if that was the case, he was not home- ran for quick errrand, Austin passed, tried to rape,he drives in.

There was blood IN his car guys. When I saw the guys by his car , cleaning it , not forensics, it confused me. The Sherriff about 4 days after (it was almost like a slip) bug inside his car.

If we rewind, that explains a lot. It would explain him in there, Walking by really not working on all cylinders, sees a attractive woman, hits on her, re4jects, he loses it, husband pulls in, neighbor stated he "her" screaming, never mentioned a male, he tires to help the woman , leaves, and THEN he pulls in.

It gives reason for going in. It give reason for them both being found in totally different locations, it fits with the neighbor never describing anyone but a female, it fits with blood on and in his car.

Have slowly moved to the caustic injestion happened before he got to their garage. Kinda like another garage on his way . Think about it that day he walked or ran what 6 miles duffies mom/outing/duffies to murder scene .

In thinking about it, on Phil it struck me (not saying it means anything) it struck me as just weird that dad said he ordered an ice tea. I would not really be paying attn to "what" you ordered to drink - just sharing that - another oddity.

Starting to really think - after article found last night - that they really may not be able to ever determine what was in his body- and THAT is the pitts

The garage is a cheerful hoard, don't you think? I would bet everything in there is a memento and has a story. Can't help but wonder if the house is a hoard and they have backed themselves out into the garage. No judgment, just observation.

I spent some time last night reading up on roid rage and bath salts, which you all have already done. We know he did weed, and alcohol and I really believe he was struggling with steroids. It is so strongly implied, some of what I have seen him say I would regard as an admission. I also read that steroids could unmask a psychiatric condition. The thought of a psychiatric breakdown + roid rage + alcohol? I have known people who get plenty scary on alcohol alone. But I think we have a strong reason to believe that he was acting under the influence of those 3 factors. Except the alcohol would have shown up right away at the hospital. Could he have been in alcohol withdrawal too? Dad being a boozer and the party in the backyard makes me think it possible Dad might have allowed underage drinking for some time. Dad is dismissive when speaking about just drinking beer. Tho we know he has been in trouble for alcohol.

Please correct me when my memory of these 81 pages is off.

Bath salts came up as a result of remarks from LE? The history and nature of attacks previously associated with bath salts? And a friend making the vague comment that AH was doing things he ought not.? That stuff is frightening in a class all it's own from what I read!

We allowed a neighbor who lives a rough road to visit for a few this week. He has no transportation and my better half takes him to the grocery etc.. I was telling him about this case as I was still working my way thro reading it and he said he had taken bath salts....very nonchalant, as if no big deal, just a stimulant, self medicating. I was too astonished to think what to say in response.

I also went to bed thinking about the conversation about religiosity above. I do see it also but am trying to think of a way to explain what I see. After more coffee lol.

Please forgive my difficulty remembering names.but I think the poster on the previous page pinned it with the understanding of AH drinking a caustic chemical as part of a psychotic rage and self destructiveness, from the garage of the victims. We don't see them in the photo but it is usual that any household has some in a garage. Everything points to a corrosive. I don't find it difficult to believe he shouted out in triumph that they would find no drugs even as the chemicals were taking effect.

I am just speculating and everything I say is moo, of course. Trying along with the rest of you to piece this all together.

Neat post - a wonderful summary of what a mess this is!Everytime you go somewhere mental, steroids, deyhratrion, bath salts you hit that fits . But the problem is at times everything fits, is it certainly going to be more than one . IMO yes. I think all of us are "looking" for a primary starting point.

From that we can arrange the other contributers, its like we need to rule out something to then reset, and try to digest this.

 

[jjenny]

Actually schizophrenia itself can be misdiagnosed as schizophrenia-like symptoms are one of the ways WD can show up as, which the Schizophrenia website itself lists WD as a schizophrenia imitator:
http://schizophrenia.com/family/misdiag.html
This was someone who was misdiagnosed with schizophrenia for 10 years but really had WD and this was their first signs and symptoms:
The first signs and symptoms (elementary visual pseudohallucination, commanding auditory hallucination, delusion of grandiosity, delusion of reference, inappropriate affect and abstract thinking, excessive anger, irritability, physical quarrel, inappropriate laugh, early insomnia, disinhibited behaviors such as masturbation in front of the others) appeared at the age of 23.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3544121/
Psychotic WD is rare, but so is what happened. Without knowing the tox results amongst other things, I'm throwing out possibilities, which it looks like WD can be a real problem with misdiagnosis as someone having purely psychiatric problems.

Wilson's disease is genetic. Father said schizophrenia runs in the family, not Wilson's. But anyhow, without testing him, I don't know what actual disease (if any) he does have. Presumably his doctors do.

 

[CARIIS]

Its always fascinating to see where everyone is

if ya havent pls go to poll and share your what you think at this point

No worries I am confident all of our brains go back and forth !

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?316033-Austin-Harrouff-POLL

 

[CARIIS]

Try
Absolutely! Many people succumb to pneumonia who have other problems going on. Polio, MS, Alzheimer's, cancer, and many others. President Reagan died from pneumonia R/T Alzheimer's. In Austin's situation I believe the pneumonia is directly R/T the caustic substance he drank, weakening his immune system and what seems like slow organ death.

Do you think he is gonna die?

 

[CARIIS]

There is general agreement, then, that specific criteria exist that can help to distinguish the mentally ill person with psychosis from the devoutly religious person having mystical experiences. The religious person has insight into the extraordinary nature of their claims, is usually part of a group of people who share their beliefs and experiences (culturally appropriate), does not have other symptoms of mental illness that affect their thought processes, is able to maintain a job and stay out of legal problems, does not harm himself or herself, and usually has a positive outcome over time. Of course, however, there is always the possibility that a mentally ill person (even those with psychotic illness) will have religious beliefs and mystical experiences that are culturally normative and may in fact help that person cope better with their mental illness.

http://www.scielo.br/scielo.php?pid=S0101-60832007000700013&script=sci_arttext&tlng=en

1) It is very common that certain mental illnesses present with religious beliefs and/or delusions, so I am looking for it as a part of the constellation of symptoms.
2) More or less sudden onset, he is trying to cope.with his psychological stress. Normal religious conversion usually occurs in response to interaction with others, to be as succinct as I can be.
3) His focus is on himself, his role rather than a higher power.
4) He claims special powers.
5) Inspirational leaders (Ghandi) do not set out to be great leaders, they are usually working for a specific cause. There are exceptions but even the Dalai Llama calls himself a simple monk. AH does discover or develops a new interest in the homeless. It's a noble and worthy cause, things he wants to be or believes he is. We would have to watch over a sufficient period of time for realistic activities and commitment.
6) He is speaking/behaving in socially/culturally inappropriate ways. It rings true to me that he was embarrassing in the dental office, probably because I have seen it quite a few times. He can save dad. Whatever was saidin the videos that have made several of you think they /he is odd maybe? Dad said it was religious in nature but then reported it being about being of service, probably indicative of grandiosity which goes hand in hand with religiosity.
7) All of the above appears concurrently with other mental illness indicators.

That is just off the top of my head. Does it make sense? I haven't watched his youtube stuff.

Dont know, Dr phil, a whack job IMO, was the one that bought in religiousity. When he said that my thought was where are you getting this? Out of all the stuff going on you do that? Cause its in our criteria?

Out of all lthe things (obvioulsy) going on for this young man, the 8 words by dad , -in your summary statement you include relgious precocupation?

Religiousity would not even register, clinically for me. Not one person, after a month, said anything remotly like that, and that is Phils takeaway??

PS have always found him so horrible as a therapist - never saw his show before, nothing clinical (like Dr Drew) - a tabloid sensantionialist making money off of people in distress. moo


Reading that Anthony guy is not IMO religoues, it much more a sign of depression , IMO!!

Not that I think this is likely but also I don't see it out of the realm of possibility that AH could have Wilson's Disease, which these are article on two British teens who had been misdiagnosed:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/a...ctors-told-SIX-times-just-moody-teenager.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/a...ager-emergency-transplant-turning-YELLOW.html

Dear Spanish,

You are formally requested not to add another possibility to this disaster !!! We are having trouble with the possiblities in front of us at this time. Your cooperation in this matter is appreciated!

Kidding with a smile and wink!!

 

[SpanishInquisition]

Its always fascinating to see where everyone is

if ya havent pls go to poll and share your what you think at this point

No worries I am confident all of our brains go back and forth !

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?316033-Austin-Harrouff-POLL

My WAG remains that the proximate cause was steroids with him being criminally culpable, but in the absence of further information I consider other things as well for possibilities.

 

[TDW59]

IMO, he mentions iced tea because he is usually a beer drinker. He is telling us he was sober.

I imagine they have run all kinds of blood panels, but dad is still saying it was psychological & I figure he knows more of what the drs are saying than we do. Plus he does mention the genetics of schizophrenia.

They may never be able to say whether he took bath salts but wouldn't the other drugs show up in the hair sample? (weed, possibly steroids)

 

[CARIIS]

I am in awe of you'all's mad sleuthing/research skills!

Here's a link for what it's worth, if anything: http://www.schizophrenia.com/sznews/archives/004870.html

Notice that it calls for a blood screen for Wilson's.

It named anger, excitement & agitation as possible precursors of violence

I can point to each of these in what we know of AH: anger-arguing with dad, leaving the restaurant multiple times in the last week. excitement - his new mission with the homeless and his superpowers Agitation - the pacing + risk factor of substance abuse

My theory is murder-suicide. But this doesn't fit the odds a whole lot better than others because of his weapon choices. And that only speaks to my belief that he ingested the poison as an act of suicide, which is known to happen.

I still think the violence was at least partly attributable to drug use on top of illness.

ETA:http://www.schizophrenia.com/sznews/archives/003380.html violence not such an anomaly in some schizophrenics.

Back to reading....

O/T

You need to know this joint is addictive! I stumbled across it when Luka Magnola was making headlines. The name of it WS gave me the creeps. BUT then I strarted reading, I was where you are. Stunned. Reading more. It is like this place is not at all what the name sounds like, this is a wildly bright group.

Hestiantly registered! Then the addiction got worse - like all addictions! I am at rock bottom now ha thats funny.
THEN, another story (dont remember which one)> Same thing happened.

Then it was time to come "out " (done that before !) and mention this place to others.. Same reaction a lot of us here have had - I dont wanna know about that kind of stuff.

THEN next, another story --went to MSM nothing. Then I thought WS probalbly has it. Sure enough.

THEn about a year in, getting really repulsed (and its concerning) at how off CNN is. Simple facts. Stuff on every story we know 4 days before these idiots do. It makes sense, in a breaking story that there are mistakes made. They are a news outlet. When they find out they were wrong about a stupid simple fact (2 perps not 4 whatever) it takes them days to correct it.

I remeber that candian guy walking around shooting cops. Here we knew he was in custudy 12 minutes before CNN. At that point I timed it! So turned off to CNN after being here.

Now when something happens I type it in Google and add websleuths to the search. 99.5% I get a link. If not I start a thread!

There are so many people walking around America thinking they know what is going on per CNN. How off that is is scary.

You have warned! Its addictive, I have totally accepted my addiction ! And am now at the point to where I love logging in and seeing what everyone has found out- that is relevant, amazing

I got in trouble in the beginning a couple of times (then recently!)

While on a time out, I went to Redditt. Boy did I learn to appreciate a moderated forum. That stuff is horrible - mean people. Who wants to go on line and fight with people?

As I slowly grasped TOS (never understood what people were talking about for the first 3 years)

When I went to PUlse memorial, I thought I am gonna bring paper pen (did) and give the name to reporters and tell them "have an intern on your station monitor this website - its amazing".

But then I ended up having to like go to places where the public was not really suppossed to be, (!) and did not want to attract attention. I acted like I was one of "them"! So I was afraid to say go to this web site called Webslueths!

I can can tell by your writing style - you too shall get addicted!

No worries, its one of the few addictions that are positive!

Welcome --you have been warned!!
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[bluesneakers]

Dont know, Dr phil, a whack job IMO, was the one that bought in religiousity. When he said that my thought was where are you getting this? Out of all the stuff going on you do that? Cause its in our criteria?

Out of all lthe things (obvioulsy) going on for this young man, the 8 words by dad , -in your summary statement you include relgious precocupation?

Religiousity would not even register, clinically for me. Not one person, after a month, said anything remotly like that, and that is Phils takeaway??

PS have always found him so horrible as a therapist - never saw his show before, nothing clinical (like Dr Drew) - a tabloid sensantionialist making money off of people in distress. moo


Reading that Anthony guy is not IMO religoues, it much more a sign of depression , IMO!!



Dear Spanish,

You are formally requested not to add another possibility to this disaster !!! We are having trouble with the possiblities in front of us at this time. Your cooperation in this matter is appreciated!

Kidding with a smile and wink!!

I thought the same thing about religion! Does he ever bring it up in his videos? One awkward conversation doesn't mean he was obsessed - I've been around lots of people who want to discuss their beliefs or ask about mine. Not just people who knock on the door either.

 

[bluesneakers]

Its always fascinating to see where everyone is

if ya havent pls go to poll and share your what you think at this point

No worries I am confident all of our brains go back and forth !

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?316033-Austin-Harrouff-POLL

My answer - steroid withdrawal - hasn't changed but I think there's at least one other factor like other drugs or a mental illness.

I'm afraid he's not going to make it. It's hard to know with the little we've been told but it sounds really bad.

 

[CARIIS]

IMO, he mentions iced tea because he is usually a beer drinker. He is telling us he was sober.

I imagine they have run all kinds of blood panels, but dad is still saying it was psychological & I figure he knows more of what the drs are saying than we do. Plus he does mention the genetics of schizophrenia.

They may never be able to say whether he took bath salts but wouldn't the other drugs show up in the hair sample? (weed, possibly steroids)

See see see - great question about how long steroids stay, so I searched



"How long does an anabolic steroid stay in your system?" News 12's Christie Ethridge asked Georgia Regents Senior Athletic Trainer Tim McLane.
"That's a good question. 'Cause it depends on which ones you've used, what method of delivery you've used, how long you've cycled (dont know what THAT means?) and used it," McLane said.
"It all depends" is the best answer we could get when it comes to finding out if a certain anabolic steroid would show up on a drug test at least 40 days after use.

http://www.wrdw.com/home/headlines/...eroids-can-stay-in-your-system-330006241.html

 

[glf]

Do you think he is gonna die?

Honestly, I don't know. But from what has been reported and now with the pneumonia, I wouldn't rule that out. Especially with lung and liver function deteriorating, we'll see next if he starts having kidney problems, or gall bladder removed. We don't know yet if his vocal cords are shot, and we don't know if he will be able to eat on his own, due to throat and esophageal damage. Three weeks in hospital, unable to talk, most likely brain damage, to what extent is unknown. It certainly doesn't sound good to me.

 

[CARIIS]

TDW59

I wish I found about this about 5 years ago! Click on Quick Links then Subscribed Threads. You can keep up with the cases you are following! For years I bookmarked em and stumbled across this delightful feature !!

My answer - steroid withdrawal - hasn't changed but I think there's at least one other factor like other drugs or a mental illness.

I'm afraid he's not going to make it. It's hard to know with the little we've been told but it sounds really bad.

I agree, on so many cases there has not been all this Hippa about cant release medical status.

Daily we heard about Boston Marathon medical status. For months.

Endless other cases that I cant remember! Never heard of this angle ever.

Does anyone else remeber a case where this has happened???

 

[glf]

A "cycle" with any med is the strength and length of treatment. For example, you may be prescribed penicillin, 500mg 3 times a day for 7days. That is the cycle. With steroids, the cycle prescribed for me was 100mg daily for 10 days, then 40mg for 2 days, 35mg for 2 days... decreasing dose by 5mg every 2 days until the final dose of 5mg. What I took was Prednisone. I was given that cycle every 6 months for 3 years before I couldn't handle the 100mg tablets
. I always took them when I ate lunch, and would be fine until the next morning, and I would feel like my face was ten degrees warmer than the rest of me, and felt kind of weak and shaky until I took the next dose. I thought it was just me, and I went to the store, and the clerk was a friend of mine, and she took one look at me and told me I didn't look like I felt good and my face was really red. So I knew then it was just a physical reaction. Before that, I thought maybe I was taking it as being worse than it actually was!
After I completed the cycle, I told my doc I didn't want to take any more. They helped my pain tremendously, by calming my overactive immune system down, but the reaction was just more than I could handle. I don't know how long they stayed in my system, but I think I usually felt better for a couple of months.

 

[CARIIS]

A "cycle" with any med is the strength and length of treatment. For example, you may be prescribed penicillin, 500mg 3 times a day for 7days. That is the cycle. With steroids, the cycle prescribed for me was 100mg daily for 10 days, then 40mg for 2 days, 35mg for 2 days... decreasing dose by 5mg every 2 days until the final dose of 5mg. What I took was Prednisone. I was given that cycle every 6 months for 3 years before I couldn't handle the 100mg tablets
. I always took them when I ate lunch, and would be fine until the next morning, and I would feel like my face was ten degrees warmer than the rest of me, and felt kind of weak and shaky until I took the next dose. I thought it was just me, and I went to the store, and the clerk was a friend of mine, and she took one look at me and told me I didn't look like I felt good and my face was really red. So I knew then it was just a physical reaction. Before that, I thought maybe I was taking it as being worse than it actually was!
After I completed the cycle, I told my doc I didn't want to take any more. They helped my pain tremendously, by calming my overactive immune system down, but the reaction was just more than I could handle. I don't know how long they stayed in my system, but I think I usually felt better for a couple of months.

TY for althletes would they do it the same way or would they do it daily??

Fibromyalgia on your end??

Becoming very restless with the lack of information at this point. There may be nothing to state - but my first impression of the sheriff was awesome. He was authentic, seemed like he would be transparent, and loved they he phrased things --his vocabulary!!

It seems FBi could do a preliminary something like we are having a very difficult time identifing if anything was in system. SOMETHING

And it certainly seems as if really rushing it might help doctors treat him - maybe they are providing them info ??

moo