FL FL - Michelle Parker, 33, Orlando, 17 Nov 2011 - #11

[captdj]

Ok well it's still possible that it headed north than headed back south. Who knows?

It's still possible that it was her and she was truly going shopping in Waterford and was abducted somewhere around there? Anything is possible without knowing more facts. I do know there is a reason LE did that huge search where they did yesterday and brought the family to the command post. Surely they would not have done that without a huge lead? Does anyone know if they are finished searching this area? It looked to be a large area to search and I can't imagine they would be finished in one day.

See the problem with the theory someone grabbed her at the waterford shopping area...doesnt fit with the evidence given...because she was there she didnt have her phone...it was headed another direction...

LE says she never entered this area that day...or her phone didnt...and if she was just changing her plans to going shopping there ...she would have had her phone...

 

[Jazzmaster]

Oops, I must be confused about the rules. So, if someone from the area posts about something having to do about the case first hand we aren't supposed to discuss it? Sorry-won't happen again!!! It gets sort of tricky in some cases, I guess.

Whether something presented is first hand or via some other method (news story, police report, etc), it should go through the same process of deciding whether or not there are facts/proof to back up claim. This goes even for police evidence. One should always look at the evidence and decide is it valid or invalid. Was the evidence corrupted or is it incriminating... Just my opinion.

 

[stilettos]

Well if someone saw something germane to the case, please call LE. IMO, they will decide if it is a verifiable sighting.

 

[BritsKate]

It's really not. I am just bothered by the fact that so many are so sure that DS murdered MP. I just don't understand how they can be so sure with so little facts at this point. WE DON'T EVEN KNOW THAT SHE WAS MURDERED. And once again I will state that I am not a DS supporter in any way. I believe it's absolutely possible that he had something to do with her disappearance. But at this point I am not prepared to call him a murderer! How could I when I don't have any facts to say this?
I just hope they find her soon and get it all figured out for the sake of her poor family. My heart goes out to them.

I think you have to bear in mind that I, for one, and probably several other posters have been watching crimes of this nature develop over decades.

It isn't just me jumping all over someone for the sake of it. It's taking the most likely scenario into consideration based on the known facts of this case, the patterns of similar cases, and the statistical odds at play when a person goes missing.

I am not sitting on a jury and my opinion is not based on the legal premise of innocent until proven guilty. It's just that - an opinion - shared on a crime discussion board. Our opinions all hold a different burden of proof. For me the fact that a mother went missing after last known contact with a volatile ex whom she had a custody dispute with is more than enough to form my opinion but for other posters that may mean nothing. It's just that I have seen this same story over and over again - it almost always has the same ending. And I always hope my instincts, and opinion, are proven wrong.

 

[cluciano63]

WS did not name DS a suspect; LE did. That makes it "okay" to discuss as though he is in fact the most likely to be guilty or has the most evidence against him, best motive, etc, IMO...

 

[wenwe4]

I am thankful we have the opportunity to differing opinions here. . . . but please no attacking anyone for their opinion. Lets just move on and help bring Michelle Parker home to her twins and her Mom and her business, and all those who are missing her.

We have questions and ponder theories and attempt to validate all of the information we are trying to put the puzzle pieces together. It takes teamwork and working concurrent theories in order to not get "tunnel vision" down any specific tract.

Much of this can be handled better if we preface our postulating with IMO (In my opinion) or asking questions like . . . what do you all think of this?

(PS: I am not a MOD but I have seen one on WS and heard them on radio.)

 

[Patty G]

If anyone wants to read what Ironhorse has stated from the start, just go to his profile page, click on "all posts by Ironhorse" and everything that was posted will show up.

 

[Wild@Heart]

Jr isn't the brightess bulb in the barn...IMO! I think he was acting on impulse not premeditation. It could have been an accident caused by temporary insanity. I just don't think it was a set-up. He doesn't seem like a guy that would "plan" something like this out. If he did, he needs to go back to planning a murder 101. Again, JMO.

 

[maedlamsmom]

GRACE: OK, let me ask you this, Brad. With me is Michelle`s father taking your calls. He`s desperately searching for his daughter, along with her mother. Brad, have those vehicles been searched, and searched with cadaver dogs, Brad Parker?

BRAD PARKER: I can`t say yes or no because the detectives won`t let us know. I do know they searched the house, but they would not let me know if they searched the cars.

Another question, and this is not a rhetorical question, I really want to know: Why would the police keep this info from the family? I understand that they have to keep most information about an open investigation quiet, but this seems cruel. If there were no hits, then the family can still openly hope. But, if there were, then the can prepare themselves for the worst. To the much more experienced WS's then myself, do LE typically keep info about cadaver dogs private and if so, why? What benefit does it have?

 

[Cblewife]

Nor do we have reliable proof that it wasn't. Ok here's the thing, if it were me driving a pretty good distance on a Highway and I remembered seeing a certain vehicle I would probably have a hard time remembering EXACTLY where I saw it, unless there was something that stood out. I mean seriously... If IRON were out and out lying why would he change his story? What would be the reason for this?

Agreed A couple of years ago we took an out of the way route to my daughters. Within 24 hrs of our trip, there was a missing person whose truck I was POSITIVE I had seen on our trip. The truck was modified which made it stand out and I was absolutely certain the details I gave the detective were spot on. When I found out the truck had not been found I HAD to drive the route again. Sure enough.... my info was only partially correct. I had in fact seen a truck very similar to the missing person, but I was off on the location.

 

[Private Dallasite]

"Death, destruction, terror, and mahem".
http://abcnews.go.com/m/story?id=15007754

 

[wenwe4]

GRACE: OK, let me ask you this, Brad. With me is Michelle`s father taking your calls. He`s desperately searching for his daughter, along with her mother. Brad, have those vehicles been searched, and searched with cadaver dogs, Brad Parker?

BRAD PARKER: I can`t say yes or no because the detectives won`t let us know. I do know they searched the house, but they would not let me know if they searched the cars.

Another question, and this is not a rhetorical question, I really want to know: Why would the police keep this info from the family? I understand that they have to keep most information about an open investigation quiet, but this seems cruel. If there were no hits, then the family can still openly hope. But, if there were, then the can prepare themselves for the worst. To the much more experienced WS's then myself, do LE typically keep info about cadaver dogs private and if so, why? What benefit does it have?

I believe LE (in this particular area) have experience about leaks coming from their dept to the family and/or media. Until such time that LE has a person of interest who is charged with a crime - the Sunshine Laws do not come into play (someone correct me if I am wrong). Personally, I think LE is keeping as much information that they have right now - very close to the vest. Even little leaks can bring up speculation later in a case and I think this is the only way to keep things as pristine as possible. Cadavar dog info was well known in the Anthony case from the early part of the investigation . . . . didn't seem to sway the jurors in the finality of that case however.

 

[Sparky]

GRACE: OK, let me ask you this, Brad. With me is Michelle`s father taking your calls. He`s desperately searching for his daughter, along with her mother. Brad, have those vehicles been searched, and searched with cadaver dogs, Brad Parker?

BRAD PARKER: I can`t say yes or no because the detectives won`t let us know. I do know they searched the house, but they would not let me know if they searched the cars.

Another question, and this is not a rhetorical question, I really want to know: Why would the police keep this info from the family? I understand that they have to keep most information about an open investigation quiet, but this seems cruel. If there were no hits, then the family can still openly hope. But, if there were, then the can prepare themselves for the worst. To the much more experienced WS's then myself, do LE typically keep info about cadaver dogs private and if so, why? What benefit does it have?

IMO LE is not giving them the info because it's an on going investigation and they (LE) doesn't want any slip ups. (released to the media)

There were a few things that came out in the beginning (such as mom saying she'd kick their door down herself), (parapharsing) and then a couple of days later there was the raid on DSSR's house.

 

[stilettos]

GRACE: OK, let me ask you this, Brad. With me is Michelle`s father taking your calls. He`s desperately searching for his daughter, along with her mother. Brad, have those vehicles been searched, and searched with cadaver dogs, Brad Parker?

BRAD PARKER: I can`t say yes or no because the detectives won`t let us know. I do know they searched the house, but they would not let me know if they searched the cars.

Another question, and this is not a rhetorical question, I really want to know: Why would the police keep this info from the family? I understand that they have to keep most information about an open investigation quiet, but this seems cruel. If there were no hits, then the family can still openly hope. But, if there were, then the can prepare themselves for the worst. To the much more experienced WS's then myself, do LE typically keep info about cadaver dogs private and if so, why? What benefit does it have?

I don't know what actual benefit keeping that from the family would be...but I can speculate. That LE might not want to tell a father of a hit because he might go physically confront the prime suspect. That LE might not tell a mother of a hit because she might be horrendously devastated and emotionally confront the prime suspect. I don't really know...but I know it would be touch and go for me...to control my emotions in such a circumstance. I really cannot imagine the he77 these poor people are going through.

 

[captdj]

GRACE: OK, let me ask you this, Brad. With me is Michelle`s father taking your calls. He`s desperately searching for his daughter, along with her mother. Brad, have those vehicles been searched, and searched with cadaver dogs, Brad Parker?

BRAD PARKER: I can`t say yes or no because the detectives won`t let us know. I do know they searched the house, but they would not let me know if they searched the cars.

Another question, and this is not a rhetorical question, I really want to know: Why would the police keep this info from the family? I understand that they have to keep most information about an open investigation quiet, but this seems cruel. If there were no hits, then the family can still openly hope. But, if there were, then the can prepare themselves for the worst. To the much more experienced WS's then myself, do LE typically keep info about cadaver dogs private and if so, why? What benefit does it have?

One reason is to Keep the Prime Suspect alive...IYKWIM

JMO

 

[Wild@Heart]

GRACE: OK, let me ask you this, Brad. With me is Michelle`s father taking your calls. He`s desperately searching for his daughter, along with her mother. Brad, have those vehicles been searched, and searched with cadaver dogs, Brad Parker?

BRAD PARKER: I can`t say yes or no because the detectives won`t let us know. I do know they searched the house, but they would not let me know if they searched the cars.

Another question, and this is not a rhetorical question, I really want to know: Why would the police keep this info from the family? I understand that they have to keep most information about an open investigation quiet, but this seems cruel. If there were no hits, then the family can still openly hope. But, if there were, then the can prepare themselves for the worst. To the much more experienced WS's then myself, do LE typically keep info about cadaver dogs private and if so, why? What benefit does it have?

I think LE wants the body, stronger court case...They know she is close by and they know that Jr isn't that "bright". There are some family dynamics with the Smith "clan". IMO LE is waiting for the "clan" to lead them in this investigation. In a sense the "clan" is beng backed into a corner and will try to fix their mistakes or start saving themselves individually. For this to happen LE needs to play cat and mouse. I think we have a game of Tom and Jerry going on.

 

[captdj]

IMO LE is not giving them the info because it's an on going investigation and they (LE) doesn't want any slip ups. (released to the media)

There were a few things that came out in the beginning (such as mom saying she'd kick their door down herself), (parapharsing) and then a couple of days later there was the raid on DSSR's house.

Thinking that was an "Oops" moment by the detective that told her that information before LE were ready....

 

[stilettos]

Thinking that was an "Oops" moment by the detective that told her that information before LE were ready....

So you think that info might have slipped by a detective about LE plans prior to the raid? Hmmm...interesting. I always like to hear your take on things Capt.

 

[Peepers]

Regarding the facebook entry of DS and the "search" discrepancies: I think its possible LE came to Dales house the evening of the 17th after she was reported missing, knocked , talked a few minutes and said "mind if we take a look around". They probably just kind of scanned the condo to see if there was anything obvious or if Michelle was there or whatever. DS threw it on facebook and it was a bit of an exaggeration, but not an actual lie.

This is my theory of an explanation of the discrepancies, personally I dont think its significant one way or another.

I am more curious about the pic released. There were likely allot of pics on the phone,why that particular one. Maybe its because if the background, and it was taken at DS condo that day?

 

[nobodynoz]

It's a little harder keeping up with this thread when you live out West. By the time I arise, take care of things in my actual life, and then finally get on here, there are pages and pages to read through. AWK!

And since I've set myself to the task of keeping a question list (of questions that can be eventually verified with evidence, by the way), I feel the need to read through every single post and not skip ahead. (Sometimes I wonder if my list is worthwhile keeping, when I see that only, say, four people have even viewed it. It's not a small task to keep up with it.:sigh

Okay, now on to a question I need answered. A couple of people have mentioned yesterday and today that we have heard from a reliable source that the "Waterford" text was sent from the Oakridge area. Over the past two weeks, I have read through every post from the beginning when Sparky started this, and I do not recall ever seeing confirmation of the origin location of that particular text, only confirmation that it wasn't sent from the Waterford area. But memory being what it is (i.e., unreliable) I have to ask for help with this.

If someone has a reliable source that accurately reports the origin location of that text, could you post a link to that source for me?

Thanks for your help!