FL FL - Michelle Parker, 33, Orlando, 17 Nov 2011 - #19

[Analyze This]

If Michelle went missing before arriving at the condo....I have a problem with Dale saying she arrived with the twins.. chitchatted for 10 minutes then left.....if again he isnt involved in any way.....

She arrives on camera points to the camera didnt matter to Michelle but DS2 leaving not on camera could mean he could/did avoid it and knew about it....he couldnt change what Michelle did...

I think either something happened not planned at the condo and he panics doing some stupid things but gets lucky dumping her...
or
Someone takes her very near the condoas she is leaving...if we are to believe the 4:26 text is bogus.....

I'd just like to know if his phone was pinging along the same route and at the same time as Michelles....

That would be the deciding factor to me....were their phones together....

I agree with you about something happening before MP arrived at the condo. I don't think it is likely that it happened that way (before 3:18pm). But, I still wonder if MP left the condo on her own and encountered trouble with DS II somewhere else. I'd love to see what the cell phone records show because given DS II's temper, it is entirely possible that a fight started over something other than the PC episode. The show airing may have caused tension that blew up over something like DS II not being where he was supposed to be at a pre set time.

I've always felt that we didn't have any information regarding DS II's movements on 11/17 and I'd really like to know how he accounted for his time that day.

 

[Pias]

I've been reading over some of the last pages and the timeline of the family is bothering me a bit.

I admit to not following the case closely anymore. But I was previously of the opinion that Michelle most likely went missing after arriving at the condo, around 3:18 pm like the tape showed. And I also felt that LE had the hummer on tape, leaving at a much later time than DS stated, without the decals (but they just didn't make it public).

Either way, I do realize that it might not have been MP arriving at the condo, if there is no tape of her face specifically shown as being there. But even if this is true, wouldn't the last person to VERIFY a sighting of MP be the person/people who had the twins, sometime AFTER she left the salon at 2:30?

Why would the family state between 2:30 pm and 6:00 pm, if she left the salon at 2:30? Or are they not sure of the exact time she left??

And if they are sure, then are they discounting that she was the one who picked up the twins? As in, maybe someone else did, but the person is just saying it was her, to cover for DS?

Do they feel that the text to her boyfriend was sent by an imposter? And if the phone was powered off at 8 pm (or thereabout), then why the time frame cut off of 6 pm? Was there a final text or other activity at that time that we just don't know about?

Don't get me wrong, I'm not criticizing or judging them for giving that time frame. I do believe that they must have a good reason for doing so. But if the twins were at daycare/a sitter, wouldn't that person be the last to have seen MP? Am I missing something?

Great post! I wish I had a copy, but somewhere, before it was edited, MSM had mentioned an earlier and specific time as to how much earlier it may have been seen parked at WC. Since I can no longer retrieve that actual statement, I will conclude with MOO. Perhaps someone ELSE read this as well and has a copy??

 

[Cblewife]

Great post! I wish I had a copy, but somewhere, before it was edited, MSM had mentioned an earlier and specific time as to how much earlier it may have been seen parked at WC. Since I can no longer retrieve that actual statement, I will conclude with MOO. Perhaps someone ELSE read this as well and has a copy??

BBM - What is WC? I just can't seem to wrap my head around it this morning.

 

[Pias]

BBM - What is WC? I just can't seem to wrap my head around it this morning.

Sorry, Walden Circle

 

[Cblewife]

Sorry, Walden Circle

DUH!! I sooo knew that....just wasn't thinking straight. Thanks!

 

[Jazzmaster]

Does anyone else wonder that Dale may have been a bit jealous of NM? IMO NM bugs Dale. Dale & co may have tried before to shift the blame to him....Yet NM has NO criminal record, seems like a good guy, has an alibi. I'm afraid the kids might have liked him, too. So sad for Michelle. Anyways, I'm just wondering...
IMO NM seems to be a better man than Dale and Dale probably knew that too and it drove him nuts....

 

[Cblewife]

Does anyone else wonder that Dale may have been a bit jealous of NM? IMO NM bugs Dale. Dale & co may have tried before to shift the blame to him....Yet NM has NO criminal record, seems like a good guy, has an alibi. I'm afraid the kids might have liked him, too. So sad for Michelle. Anyways, I'm just wondering...
IMO NM seems to be a better man than Dale and Dale probably knew that too and it drove him nuts....

I've often wondered about the last text that NM sent Michelle.....the one she did not respond to. Going by what I read, I assumed it had been sent right around the time Michelle would have been arriving at Dales. I realize we don't have any verification of that, and it's only my assumptions.... but if those assumptions are correct, would it not be possible that it.... the text from NM.... could have been the final straw that set him off IF he was the jealous type?

MOO

 

[Kamille]

I've often wondered about the last text that NM sent Michelle.....the one she did not respond to. Going by what I read, I assumed it had been sent right around the time Michelle would have been arriving at Dales. I realize we don't have any verification of that, and it's only my assumptions.... but if those assumptions are correct, would it not be possible that it.... the text from NM.... could have been the final straw that set him off IF he was the jealous type?

MOO

Makes you wonder if he grabbed her phone when she may have been using it in the condo to respond to NM. She did claim on the PC episode that he'd taken her phone from her before. And it would have been open to all of the messages between her and NM since they'd met.

I can see that starting a pretty good argument. And the phone is the only thing we know of so far that was not either in the Hummer, or with Michelle.

And of course while you've got it unlocked, you can change the lock setting if you want to keep it open to you. If the person did in fact have a lock setting on it. Just in case you want to keep looking through it without it locking up on you.

MOO

 

[hon3yb33]

I've often wondered about the last text that NM sent Michelle.....the one she did not respond to. Going by what I read, I assumed it had been sent right around the time Michelle would have been arriving at Dales. I realize we don't have any verification of that, and it's only my assumptions.... but if those assumptions are correct, would it not be possible that it.... the text from NM.... could have been the final straw that set him off IF he was the jealous type?

MOO

What text? I thought is was Michelle who had texted him that thinking about you text. The one at 3:18pm.

 

[JadedGrace]

What I think they are saying is the babysitter is the last person to see Michelle. If Michelle got to the sitters in Waterford Lakes at 2:30 she probably stayed a few minutes, then she had to load the twins up to leave for Dale's. 15-20 minutes? It would take about 20 mins to drive from Waterford to Dale's.

Hey sparky!

What did i miss, where/when was it discovered that the baby sitter/childcare/whatever it was was in waterford lakes?!

 

[Sparky]

Hey sparky!

What did i miss, where/when was it discovered that the baby sitter/childcare/whatever it was was in waterford lakes?!

Hey Jaded...I found it one day while researching. Post 509. HTH

 

[nursebeeme]

I removed the last few posts. Let's don't let it get personal, okay?


If you're posting an opinion, please make sure it is clearly presented that way.

If you're claiming something as a fact, please provide a link to support the fact.

That's just how we roll around here.


It's been busy around WS and I haven't had as much time to participate on this thread, but I still read at least every other day. I pray for some big break in this case everyday!

bumping this up...^^^^^^^^^^


stop the back and forth attacking of one another :nurse:

 

[captdj]

Does anyone else wonder that Dale may have been a bit jealous of NM? IMO NM bugs Dale. Dale & co may have tried before to shift the blame to him....Yet NM has NO criminal record, seems like a good guy, has an alibi. I'm afraid the kids might have liked him, too. So sad for Michelle. Anyways, I'm just wondering...
IMO NM seems to be a better man than Dale and Dale probably knew that too and it drove him nuts....

Im so positive that another father figure in the twins life plus another partner in Michelle's life caused him much grief...and stressed him out...

He doesn't seem like a person who would be able to take this change calmly...since arguments over infidelity were intense between those two.

Cant imagine what a new dad to the twins would do to this man...

This is just my opinion and how I see Dale....

 

[Skully]

Any searches planned???

 

[captdj]

I've often wondered about the last text that NM sent Michelle.....the one she did not respond to. Going by what I read, I assumed it had been sent right around the time Michelle would have been arriving at Dales. I realize we don't have any verification of that, and it's only my assumptions.... but if those assumptions are correct, would it not be possible that it.... the text from NM.... could have been the final straw that set him off IF he was the jealous type?

MOO

I really wish we knew more of the timeline...they kept throwing out bits and pieces...we know it happened but why not tell is the time it happened..

Where are the investigative reporters that could ask MN the time he sent the text.

But if Dale and Michelle was in a heated discussion ...this could have sent DS2 over the edge...

 

[What'sThatClue]

Any searches planned???

Not that I've heard of. I hope there will be something soon.

 

[Jersey*Girl]

I must be an idiot bc I still keep wondering how Dale could have done this and done so successfully. He had the twins. There's sooo many security cameras. How? I'm assuming le would have followed several paths Dale and/or Michelle could have taken from his place to Rose Blvd and also where her Hummer was parked - so they'd have secured those surveillance videos right? If Dale's involved, why wouldn't he be arrested by now? What more would they need bc if they have him driving her suv or even tailing her, that's reason for probable suspicioun and he could be brought in. I know so much looks bad with him but there's still so many unanswered questions. I'm still not sold. My honest opinion.

Yep, I'm nutty probably but still think of the area connections with other missing females. That whole Oak Ridge area has had heavy security bc of crime. I keep thinking of the bars.

 

[sandina]

I must be an idiot bc I still keep wondering how Dale could have done this and done so successfully. He had the twins. There's sooo many security cameras. How? I'm assuming le would have followed several paths Dale and/or Michelle could have taken from his place to Rose Blvd and also where her Hummer was parked - so they'd have secured those surveillance videos right? If Dale's involved, why wouldn't he be arrested by now? What more would they need bc if they have him driving her suv or even tailing her, that's reason for probable suspicioun and he could be brought in. I know so much looks bad with him but there's still so many unanswered questions. I'm still not sold. My honest opinion.

Yep, I'm nutty probably but still think of the area connections with other missing females. That whole Oak Ridge area has had heavy security bc of crime. I keep thinking of the bars.

Please don't call yourself an idiot!

I think it's absolutely fine if you have the above opinions. And I think you raise some good points. Here's some of my thoughts regarding your outstanding questions. (not that you asked for my opinions!!)

The twins: I think the twins could have either seen whatever may occurred and/or they were occupied in the condo somewhere for a short time. I think due to Dale's military training, he likely could have incapacitated MP QUICKLY, within moments, subduing and transporting her from the condo, alive to another location at some other point.

Surveillance camera's in condo complex and along route to Rose Blvd (and elsewhere). First off, I've come to the belief the LE simply doesn't have the resources to have obtained every known SV out there. Also, it could be that the route taken by Dale and/or his helpers didn't pass by SV at all, or in enough daylight to be clearly seen. (note: I'd have to go back and find the thread, but one of the posters here went to visit a store/gas station at the corner of Hoffner Ave & S. Goldenrod - the area where LE says a ping from MP's phone occurred, and the store/gas station said no one had claimed their video from LE)

I feel really convinced Dale is our guy in this case, but if it comes out that all the signs I believe point to him are merely a large group of strange coincidences, I will eat my words & opinions!

I know you and others keep raising the issue of bars, bad area where Hummer was found, etc. But I would think there would be some small shred of evidence to help support those theories. I'm just not seeing anything pointing clearly to another scenario other than Dale. If you have some points of info to comment about, I think we'd all like to consider them.

And, please stop calling yourself names!

ALL MOO

 

[What'sThatClue]

Does anyone else wonder that Dale may have been a bit jealous of NM? IMO NM bugs Dale. Dale & co may have tried before to shift the blame to him....Yet NM has NO criminal record, seems like a good guy, has an alibi. I'm afraid the kids might have liked him, too. So sad for Michelle. Anyways, I'm just wondering...
IMO NM seems to be a better man than Dale and Dale probably knew that too and it drove him nuts....

I absolutely agree, Jazzmaster, that Dale may very well have been jealous on NM. And not just a bit, but a lot. Jmo. Perhaps jealous to the point where he thought if he couldn't have her, no one else would either. Again, jmo...no proof of that, just a feeling I have. I wish there'd be a break in this case soon!

 

[What'sThatClue]

I've often wondered about the last text that NM sent Michelle.....the one she did not respond to. Going by what I read, I assumed it had been sent right around the time Michelle would have been arriving at Dales. I realize we don't have any verification of that, and it's only my assumptions.... but if those assumptions are correct, would it not be possible that it.... the text from NM.... could have been the final straw that set him off IF he was the jealous type?

MOO

OH yeah, I think that might have set him off big time.