FL FL - Michelle Parker, 33, Orlando, 17 Nov 2011 - #20

[Thor]

If you have a father who is DAMAGING those children as I just "coincidently" posted a link to, you will see why those children need their grandparents (both sides). Why haven't we seen any reports of GP and BP seeing the twinners? They are family too! Dale can be selfish by himself he doesn't need to destroy his kids too...JMO

There is no evidence Dale is a DAMAGING father, that is my opinion and the opinion of the only legal court that has looked at the evidence.

 

[katydid23]

Children belong with their parents not grandparents, there is no evidence that Dale is a "ticking time bomb" notwithstanding his previous record Dale was trying and succeeding in turning his life around, there is no evidence he ever mistreated or abused his children, as a matter of fact I would bet there is nobody in this thread who has first hand knowledge about the kind of relationship Dale has with his own children, please correct me if I am wrong.

The family court, the only body to exam real evidence in order to determine the best interest of the children has place them with their father, and that is not speculation, theory or opinion is a matter of public records.

If a man throws a heavy object at his girlfriend, while she is holding his 15 month old baby, and he threatens the mother with further violence, with the kids looking on, is that not 'mistreating' the children?

The older brother also describes incidents where he saw his mom being hit by Dale. I call that child abuse. imo

 

[What'sThatClue]

http://definitions.uslegal.com/p/prime-suspect/

A prime suspect is the person law enforcement officers believe most probably committed a crime under investigation.

 

[katydid23]

There is no evidence Dale is a DAMAGING father, that is my opinion and the opinion of the only legal court that has looked at the evidence.

Well, the courts did not see Josh Powell as a danger either, so I think they have a low bar for that decision.

 

[Skully]

From their birth, the twins lived every single day with their mother, older brother and their GRANDMOTHER. Then in one sad day they lost their mother and they also lost contact with their big brother and their grandmother and aunt. That makes me very sad. And I think it is very destructive for them emotionally to be separated from all of the people that had raised them every day. JMO

Do you know if that was the very first time Michelle was leaving the kids with Dale? I must be mistaken, I thought they shared custody. So he had no hand in raising them at all???????

 

[katydid23]

Do you know if that was the very first time Michelle was leaving the kids with Dale? I must be mistaken, I thought they shared custody. So he had no hand in raising them at all???????

No, it is not the very first time she left them there. But according to the grandmother, Michelle had primary custody and very rarely left them with dale until very recently. IIRC

 

[Skully]

If a man throws a heavy object at his girlfriend, while she is holding his 15 month old baby, and he threatens the mother with further violence, with the kids looking on, is that not 'mistreating' the children?

The older brother also describes incidents where he saw his mom being hit by Dale. I call that child abuse. imo

I agree that is wrong, but both parents are responsible for these kinds of actions. I see both parents mistreating the children when they stay together and act like this, or when they separate and still fight with the kids present. I think the judge told Michelle that in PC that day and Dale.

 

[Skully]

No, it is not the very first time she left them there. But according to the grandmother, Michelle had primary custody and very rarely left them with dale until very recently. IIRC

So what changed? Why the sudden turn around? Was she trying to give him more responsibilty now that she was so busy with all she had on her plate?

 

[katydid23]

I agree that is wrong, but both parents are responsible for these kinds of actions. I see both parents mistreating the children when they stay together and act like this, or when they separate and still fight with the kids present. I think the judge told Michelle that in PC that day and Dale.

I think there is a big difference between one parent standing and holding the baby, and the other parent, throwing a car seat at them. And then warning her that 'her day will come. '
And here is a description of an altercation in his previous marriage:

According to court documents, Dale Smith told police that he had been in a bar fight that night and that his wife became angry when he came home and told her about it.

"He stated that she got mad and started slapping him in the face and calling him a drunk. ... He said he then grabbed her by the leg and [dragged] her outside. Once he had her outside he said she hit her head on the railing to the apartment and started to bleed," the police report reads.

Smith said he took his wife to the hospital, after stopping along the way to pick up two friends.

Shannon Smith told police that her husband had initiated the altercation, and "threw her against the metal railing." The report further states that Dale Smith "made many comments about wanting to die for hurting his wife." He was determined to have been the primary aggressor, according to the report, because "no visible red or finger marks were noted on his face."

According to court records, Dale Smith was later convicted by a general court martial on domestic violence and drug-related charges. While in the stockade, Dale Smith was charged by military authorities with a drug violation "in reference to an on-going military investigation involving the illegal drug ecstasy and other controlled substances."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/..._n_1126349.html#s598319&title=Michelle_Parker

 

[Jazzmaster]

There is no evidence Dale is a DAMAGING father, that is my opinion and the opinion of the only legal court that has looked at the evidence.

If you read the link of the article posted...we have eye witness testimony from YS stating the kids "are not the same children they were six months ago" they seem "unhappy" with Dale and the children have only seen YS 3 times this year? Though YS has helped raise them all of their lives? ANd what about GP and BP have the seen the twinners? That is a sign of a bad father IMO...only thinking about himself. Those children have been uprooted and JMO but Dale is solely responsible for that!

 

[Jazzmaster]

I think there is a big difference between one parent standing and holding the baby, and the other parent, throwing a car seat at them. And then warning her that 'her day will come. '
And here is a description of an altercation in his previous marriage:

According to court documents, Dale Smith told police that he had been in a bar fight that night and that his wife became angry when he came home and told her about it.

"He stated that she got mad and started slapping him in the face and calling him a drunk. ... He said he then grabbed her by the leg and [dragged] her outside. Once he had her outside he said she hit her head on the railing to the apartment and started to bleed," the police report reads.

Smith said he took his wife to the hospital, after stopping along the way to pick up two friends.

Shannon Smith told police that her husband had initiated the altercation, and "threw her against the metal railing." The report further states that Dale Smith "made many comments about wanting to die for hurting his wife." He was determined to have been the primary aggressor, according to the report, because "no visible red or finger marks were noted on his face."

According to court records, Dale Smith was later convicted by a general court martial on domestic violence and drug-related charges. While in the stockade, Dale Smith was charged by military authorities with a drug violation "in reference to an on-going military investigation involving the illegal drug ecstasy and other controlled substances."

That doesn't sound like he has turned his life around one bit...I really am WORRIED about those children. I have grandchildren around the same age as the twinners and they are a handful. At that age...they have a mind of their own. What if they don't listen to Dale? I pray for those Children's safety!

 

[Skully]

I am saying the same thing the Judge said. They both needed to stop it and get away from eachother and quit fighting in front of the kids. Dale drank and so did Michelle, this is on the video from the PC airing, I am sure both had a part in these fights. I won't say anymore or go any farther, but the other case was not about Michelle.

 

[katydid23]

So what changed? Why the sudden turn around? Was she trying to give him more responsibilty now that she was so busy with all she had on her plate?

I think he sued for more time with the kids, maybe to decrease his child support payments?

 

[Jazzmaster]

I think he sued for more time with the kids, maybe to decrease his child support payments?

That sounds about right...IMO as a "dead beat father" who got behind on payments at least 3 times...He probably wanted to figure out a way to lower his payments...I mean any Dad who misses his children's birthday to get back at his ex (as we saw on PC) doesn't seem to care much about the children IMO.

 

[Thor]

"Michelle Parker's mother spoke out on the Today Show this morning saying her twin grandchildren look unhappy with their father Dale Smith and she wants greater visitation rights.

Yvonne Stewart said they "are not the same children they were six months ago," referring to the date their mother disappeared from Orange County.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com...ith-20120525_1_visitation-rights-twins-mother

My heart breaks for those children! Dale you need to think about what you're doing to those children...First you made their mom disappear now this? Come on! Man up and hold your end of the bargain! I know it's hard but try to be a MORE responsible Dad... JMO

IMO If the grandparents had information about anything not consistent with the welfare of the children and if their concern was solely about the children, then the last place to address those issues and concerns would be in the media . Going the "MEDIA" route only adds to the circus atmosphere this kids get dragged in by default, it does nothing to help this poor children (actually the opposite) and further strains the already disastrous relationship they have with the kids' custodial parent. IMO

 

[Jazzmaster]

IMO If the grandparents had information about anything not consistent with the welfare of the children and if their concern was solely about the children, then the last place to address those issues and concern would be in a television show. Going the "TV" route only adds to the circus atmosphere, it does nothing to help this poor kids and further strains the already disastrous relationship they have with the kids' custodial parent. IMO

On that we can agree....the "poor kids". I am glad you are seeing how much danger they are in. I don't agree though that there is a "disastrous relationship" between YS and Dale. That's just my impression. I could see maybe GP and BP and Dale as they call a spade a spade and don't kiss up to Dale...BUT I think YS has legitimate concerns about the children's welfare. That is just my take after seeing and reading this...

 

[Jazzmaster]

IIRC when YS saw the children...the time Dale drove them to her house...let her see them for a second and drove away she said the kids looked "dirty". Now they look very "unhappy". This seems to be getting WORSE IMO. This is just the outward appearance I can ONLY wonder emotionally how torn apart those children are...They can't see their grandparents, older brother A, and HAVE to live with a guy they seem "unhappy" to be with. I am praying that Dale comes to his senses and realizes the grandparents can give those children a "better" life...JMO

 

[telemag]

From their birth, the twins lived every single day with their mother, older brother and their GRANDMOTHER. Then in one sad day they lost their mother and they also lost contact with their big brother and their grandmother and aunt. That makes me very sad. And I think it is very destructive for them emotionally to be separated from all of the people that had raised them every day. JMO

So was her other son and his dad took him away too. Should he have been made to stay also?

 

[FrayedKnot]

Children belong with their parents not grandparents, there is no evidence that Dale is a "ticking time bomb" notwithstanding his previous record Dale was trying and succeeding in turning his life around, there is no evidence he ever mistreated or abused his children, as a matter of fact I would bet there is nobody in this thread who has first hand knowledge about the kind of relationship Dale has with his own children, please correct me if I am wrong.

The family court, the only body to exam real evidence in order to determine the best interest of the children has place them with their father, and that is not speculation, theory or opinion is a matter of public records.

Respectfully, there was no evidence that Josh Powell was abusive to his children, either. Until the day he chopped their necks and blew up the house.

Of course, later there was evidence of some suspicious things found on JP's computer, but that info hadn't been shared with the courts who decided to give him custody, even though he was the only suspect in his wife's disappearance.

IMO, there are a lot more red flags in DS2s history to suggest he would be a threat to his children than there were in JP's case.

And just because he so far only beat on adults doesn't mean he isn't a danger to children. Mean and violent doesn't follow guidelines.

 

[FrayedKnot]

So was her other son and his dad took him away too. Should he have been made to stay also?

Why? Does his father have a violent criminal record, too? Is he a POI in a missing person's case?