FL FL - Michelle Parker, 33, Orlando, 17 Nov 2011 - #20

[Skully]

BBM. I'd like to point out that lifting Michelle would likely be relatively easy for DS II. He was a marine, perhaps not an honorable one, but he did complete the training. Lifting and carrying dead weight is about technique as much as it is about strength. Lifting a "buddy" that is injured would be standard for Marine training. I would point out the same thing for firemen and other branches of the military.

That said, I am thinking that he headed for the garage and would've laid her down on the floor. In the video of the police search on his condo, his garage is immaculate and very empty. So, I think that he went out to the van to secure a tarp or plastic of some sort. He could've laid it out on the floor and rolled Michelle onto it. If he wrapped her up and then duct tapped the plastic to secure it, then put the body in the back of his truck, I think that he would've needed another 5 to 10 minutes. I don't think that the work van is involved at all simply because he appears to usually park his truck in the garage.

I'm still working through this stage of events, so I might change my mind a bit. The Hummer and accomplice bit of this is still too complicated at the moment. Working on it though.

I am still doing the same thing, the 2 vehiciles are what have me stuck. We have a person stating that he was at Dad's at 4:30, they don't state that he drove the hummer, correct? So for this theory I am going to say he drove the truck with the kids. We are at 3:40 now. How long to get her down to the garage area and wrapped in a tarp or plastic? I saw the video of the garage too and is it a shared garage? like no partition, just two cars can park? If we don't use the van, and he has the truck and someone has to get rid of the hummer, where is the body stashed in the garage?

I forgot about her phone, would it be pinging at the condo at this point?

 

[Skully]

I was thinking about him lifting her because, she most likely had shoes on. Shoes will can leave scuff marks on floors or drag marks. Also the garage was down stairs IIRC. So dragging a person down the steps with shoes could leave marks on the way down as the feet repeatedly hit the steps. So in my mind I see him lifting and carrying, rather than dragging. But if she had on flip flops, none of this matters with the shoes.

 

[Analyze This]

I am still doing the same thing, the 2 vehiciles are what have me stuck. We have a person stating that he was at Dad's at 4:30, they don't state that he drove the hummer, correct? So for this theory I am going to say he drove the truck with the kids. We are at 3:40 now. How long to get her down to the garage area and wrapped in a tarp or plastic? I saw the video of the garage too and is it a shared garage? like no partition, just two cars can park? If we don't use the van, and he has the truck and someone has to get rid of the hummer, where is the body stashed in the garage?

I forgot about her phone, would it be pinging at the condo at this point?

I believe that the garage is supposed to be a two car garage.

About the phone pings...I listened to Michelle's mom talking about the pings on Hoffner Ave. The reporter states that they occurred later in the evening. In the Boston area we generally refer to evening as beginning around 6pm. Afternoon into evening would be 5pm to 6pm and afternoon would be anytime from noon to 5 or 6pm. I checked with a friend that lives in Michigan and she said that it is the same for them. I have an inquiry in with a friend that lives in Georgia because I know that there are slight differences with their "common usage" of certain terms. Do you know if this is the same in Florida?

 

[Skully]

On the first page is a map and they have 4:30 cell phone ping headed West.

But Dale is at his Dad's home, if the eye witness is correct at 4:30

We can deal with this later I guess????

 

[Skully]

I went back to the video of the garage and it is a tight fit with both vehicles in there. I assume the neighbor's is gone and do we know if Dale has the truck in the garage, because you have to get her to the neighbor's side of the garage and in order to lay out that plastic and roll her up and get her in the truck if you are going to take the body with you. I can't see him leaving her in the garage, that is a big risk.

3:40 ......

 

[Analyze This]

On the first page is a map and they have 4:30 cell phone ping headed West.

But Dale is at his Dad's home, if the eye witness is correct at 4:30

We can deal with this later I guess????

I am finding that if I jump too far ahead in the timing of events, I lose the continuity of the timeline. In other words...I end up down a rat hole. So, I am stepping back to 3:40pm. At this point, DS II and Michelle have had a confrontation and some sort of assault occurs resulting in Michelle's death. I really think that 5 minutes is enough time for him to have moved her to the garage and maybe wrapped her in plastic. He leaves her in the bed of his pickup truck.

So, now what? It's 3:45pm and he has to get rid of the Hummer. The body is already temporarily concealed, so he's bought himself some time with that.

Given that he is supposed to have arrived at his parents by 4:30pm and he allegedly told Michelle's family that she dropped the twins off around 4pm, I am thinking that he had from 3:45 until 4pm to deal with the Hummer. I think that the phone and the Hummer stayed together. So, do we have any information on where Michelle's phone pinged between 3:45 and 4pm? Were there any pings at all?

 

[Skully]

I am finding that if I jump too far ahead in the timing of events, I lose the continuity of the timeline. In other words...I end up down a rat hole. So, I am stepping back to 3:40pm. At this point, DS II and Michelle have had a confrontation and some sort of assault occurs resulting in Michelle's death. I really think that 5 minutes is enough time for him to have moved her to the garage and maybe wrapped her in plastic. He leaves her in the bed of his pickup truck.

So, now what? It's 3:45pm and he has to get rid of the Hummer. The body is already temporarily concealed, so he's bought himself some time with that.

Given that he is supposed to have arrived at his parents by 4:30pm and he allegedly told Michelle's family that she dropped the twins off around 4pm, I am thinking that he had from 3:45 until 4pm to deal with the Hummer. I think that the phone and the Hummer stayed together. So, do we have any information on where Michelle's phone pinged between 3:45 and 4pm? Were there any pings at all?

You are reading my mind, I have to do this step by step, minute by minute. I don't think we have anything on a ping before the 4:30 on on Hoffner heading West.

Okay, the truck is in the garage and body is in it; it is 3:45 Now I have to ask, did he enlist the help of his dad, because he would have had to make a call and Dad has to get there in 30 minutes (I am not giving any time to traffic at this time of day) I want to keep this simple. If at 3:45 or even 3:40 he calls his dad to say there was a problem, get over here, dad can get there by 4:10 or 4:15 is the earliest.

We have

3:45 truck in garage, Michelle in truck
Kids are still in room watching TV, maybe napping
Hummer is sitting outside - ** purse and phone inside of hummer.
video camera set at street and driveway of neighbor. Note, there is a black car in the driveway, is neighbor home????? If so, the garage is out for wrapping a body......

** When woman have hands full with kids and stuff - and will only be a few minutes they will leave the purse in the car and lock it. So I put her purse and phone in the hummer...

Looking at the still of the video a few pages back, I see no cars in driveway or at side of curb...

 

[Skully]

I am finding that if I jump too far ahead in the timing of events, I lose the continuity of the timeline. In other words...I end up down a rat hole. So, I am stepping back to 3:40pm. At this point, DS II and Michelle have had a confrontation and some sort of assault occurs resulting in Michelle's death. I really think that 5 minutes is enough time for him to have moved her to the garage and maybe wrapped her in plastic. He leaves her in the bed of his pickup truck.

So, now what? It's 3:45pm and he has to get rid of the Hummer. The body is already temporarily concealed, so he's bought himself some time with that.

Given that he is supposed to have arrived at his parents by 4:30pm and he allegedly told Michelle's family that she dropped the twins off around 4pm, I am thinking that he had from 3:45 until 4pm to deal with the Hummer. I think that the phone and the Hummer stayed together. So, do we have any information on where Michelle's phone pinged between 3:45 and 4pm? Were there any pings at all?

Sorry I did check the map out again and there is a 4:15 notation that she was in this area shorly after 4:15. The map puts her at McCoy and the source is from a cell phone update.

 

[telemag]

The whole family has this history? I know Dale does. But his mom and other family members too?

So does this go down? Michelle arrives and gets the kids in the condo and she is upset at the PC airing and he is offering to calm her down with a soda? And she accepts it?

IMO it's not even possible. Depending on how much food Michelle had in he would take up to an hour for it to have any effect.

 

[telemag]

I had forgotten about that statement. That was before? they raided Sr house and didn't find anything. Well if she knew for a fact she was alive and they hadn't gotten the phone from the lake yet, what led them to believe she was alive?

Honestly, this makes me think she had a stalker.

Exactly! YS is making a plea to someone, who? Why make a public plea to Dale when she can just get on the phone with him or even better go to his condo. This is one week after she went missing correct? She KNOWS that Michelle is still alive. Something fishy about all this.

 

[telemag]

I have been hearing a lot about Dale lying about what time Michelle got there. How do we know he lied?

 

[Oriah]

Would a trained HRD dog be able to alert to human decomp if a body was transported, wrapped in plastic, in the back of a pick up truck that has a covered bed? Would washing that pick up truck clear out all scent of decomp?

Is it safe to assume that a bloodless murder (snapped neck, strangulation) would leave behind less scent than a bloody one?

Thanks so much for your help!

Depending on how long the body was in the truck, and under what environmental conditions, an HRD may or may not be able to isolate decomp scent particles.
It's not necessarily true that a bloodless death would leave behind less decomp scent than one with bodily fluids present, although certainly it would increase the likelyhood the crime scene forensics would be able to gather backup physical evidence.

Think of it this way- you roast a chicken for dinner one night, then throw the leftovers in a plastic trash bag and in your trash. Then you are suddenly called out of your home for an hour, a day, a week, a month, a year. Your residence is going to smell different to you when you return, depending on length of time gone, temp of the residence, etc. If your chicken remains were human, an HRD dog should alert to your trash bag, because even though it's wrapped in plastic, gases from decomp are being emitted and entering the air. The dog should be able to identify the location where decomp scent is most heavily deposited. Does that make sense?

 

[Oriah]

Thanks for stopping by to help. So in theory, if DS murdered Michelle in the back of his truck say in the garage and left there for an hour, the dog should alert in the truck but may not alert in the garage..I think tracking dogs can smell airborne, so I am assuming cadaver dogs need more of a surface than airborne?

Yes, that is basically correct.

 

[Skully]

Depending on how long the body was in the truck, and under what environmental conditions, an HRD may or may not be able to isolate decomp scent particles.
It's not necessarily true that a bloodless death would leave behind less decomp scent than one with bodily fluids present, although certainly it would increase the likelyhood the crime scene forensics would be able to gather backup physical evidence.

Think of it this way- you roast a chicken for dinner one night, then throw the leftovers in a plastic trash bag and in your trash. Then you are suddenly called out of your home for an hour, a day, a week, a month, a year. Your residence is going to smell different to you when you return, depending on length of time gone, temp of the residence, etc. If your chicken remains were human, an HRD dog should alert to your trash bag, because even though it's wrapped in plastic, gases from decomp are being emitted and entering the air. The dog should be able to identify the location where decomp scent is most heavily deposited. Does that make sense?

So are you saying that in our senario; If he killed her at 3:40 and took her to the garage and wrapped her in plastic and then either left her in the garage, or condo, for more than an hour, HRD could come in and get a hit for a decomposing body? This would be true then if he transported a body also in the truck.

 

[Skully]

IMO it's not even possible. Depending on how much food Michelle had in he would take up to an hour for it to have any effect.

Well, we do know she was at KFC at 12:22. Meat takes up to 3 days to digest in your stomach. But this is like a steak dinner. I am ruling it out anyway. We are going with the blunt force trauma and strangulation in our theory.

 

[telemag]

Well, we do know she was at KFC at 12:22. Meat takes up to 3 days to digest in your stomach. But this is like a steak dinner. I am ruling it out anyway. We are going with the blunt force trauma and strangulation in our theory.

I would say that with a blow to the head hard enough to kill a person you are going to at least split the skin on the head and there would be blood spatter left somewhere. Strangulation leaves time for at least a couple of deep scratches to Dale's hands and forearms and possibly a broken nail or two left on the floor although these could be disposed of.

 

[Skully]

Well for now I am stuck in a garage with a body wrapped in plastic that I just put in a truck. I got 2 kids upstairs and unattended. I have to decide if I am calling Sr to make that drive over here to help me get rid of a hummer. I am hoping he isn't picked up on any video camera and I have a neighbor who will be home soon, and I have to get out of this garage. Sr. has to get here no later than 4:15 because I have a cell phone ping at a tower around McCoy. And there is another one coming up on Hoffner at 4:30 going West.

 

[telemag]

Well for now I am stuck in a garage with a body wrapped in plastic that I just put in a truck. I got 2 kids upstairs and unattended. I have to decide if I am calling Sr to make that drive over here to help me get rid of a hummer. I am hoping he isn't picked up on any video camera and I have a neighbor who will be home soon, and I have to get out of this garage. Sr. has to get here no later than 4:15 because I have a cell phone ping at a tower around McCoy. And there is another one coming up on Hoffner at 4:30 going West.

and don't forget that phone records will indicate if Dale made a call to his dad. Also, we have no exact method of how he killed her without leaving a trace of blood or DNA and no tell tale signs of a struggle that could have lead to him having some scratches or bruises.

 

[sandina]

Well for now I am stuck in a garage with a body wrapped in plastic that I just put in a truck. I got 2 kids upstairs and unattended. I have to decide if I am calling Sr to make that drive over here to help me get rid of a hummer. I am hoping he isn't picked up on any video camera and I have a neighbor who will be home soon, and I have to get out of this garage. Sr. has to get here no later than 4:15 because I have a cell phone ping at a tower around McCoy. And there is another one coming up on Hoffner at 4:30 going West.

You might say that Sr was on his way at 3:45, arriving to Dale's by 4:15. Meanwhile, while Sr is driving over, Dale pulls the Hummer into garage and removes decals. By the way, I didn't think that Dale shares the garage with anyone, but I could be wrong. Then Sr arrives, hops into Hummer & can easily make it to Hoffner by 4:26, correct?

This is all MOO

 

[telemag]

You might say that Sr was on his way at 3:45, arriving to Dale's by 4:15. Meanwhile, while Sr is driving over, Dale pulls the Hummer into garage and removes decals. By the way, I didn't think that Dale shares the garage with anyone, but I could be wrong. Then Sr arrives, hops into Hummer & can easily make it to Hoffner by 4:26, correct?

This is all MOO

So did Dale call his dad? (phone records) Wonder if the Hummer had Dale sr's finger prints on it anywhere or some hair strands etc. Was Dale Sr known to drive the Hummer?