FL FL - Michelle Parker, 33, Orlando, 17 Nov 2011 - #20

[Kamille]

Yeah I've heard them all a million times and now one more time. I've also heard he was gay and escort had boyfriends is a serial killer and killed his ex wife while he was in jail so maybe he is a teleporting Ninja. My point was I have no idea what to believe anymore. YOU ASKED!

Well here is a link to some of the actual court documents outlining his violent criminal history. Some interesting bedtime reading that will help you to see just what DSJr is capable of. If you are really interested in the actual facts of this case.

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/106513655/Dale-Smith-Legal-Documents

MOO

 

[telemag]

Well here is a link to some of the actual court documents outlining his violent criminal history. Some interesting bedtime reading that will help you to see just what DSJr is capable of. If you are really interested in the actual facts of this case.

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/106513655/Dale-Smith-Legal-Documents

MOO

As I said seen them already, but thanks.

 

[Jazzmaster]

Have you seen his criminal history? Have you heard the stories from the friends that he was with when they beat a man to death, for no reason? Did you kinow he was kicked out of the marines? Have you heard the stories from his former domestic violence victims? Did you hear the things that he did to Michelle previously? Leaving her alone without shoes in various cities, while he would rive off and just leave her there on her own? Did you see that he threw a heavy object at her while she was holding their baby? And he threatened her by saying " Your day will come...' And you think he is a good guy?

I guess when you put aside his violent criminal history...his physical AND mental abuse of women...his dishonorable discharge from the Military...his cheating...his drug and alcohol problems...his deceitful online behavior...his shady character...etc he's really not that "bad" of a guy. MOO

Maybe if you go back all the way to grade school...maybe he did some good back then? But then I look at the parents he grew up with and how his dad is still getting arrested in his 60s and think that the apple doesn't fall far from the tree....Mammas don't let your babies grow up to be like Dale! JMO

 

[Kamille]

As I said seen them already, but thanks.

So then you do believe that he's not such a "bad guy" after seeing those? Remember these are only the incidents he was actually charged for. Michelle, unfortunately, never pressed charges on any of the incidents that she spoke about, both to her friends and in person during the PC taping, or on any of the incidents that her son testified to in court. I'm sure there were many others who did not press charges, including that cameraman.

MOO

 

[SleuthDecay]

The problem I have with what Michelle's sister said, and keep in mind I know people get very protective when a loved one is missing, is that she said Michelle would never leave "A" unattended...that she'd always make a call or have a backup. Then the aunt is spoken about, yada yada. BUT... "A" called about 6:50 looking for his mom. That implies he was on his own bc if not then why wouldn't the aunt or whatever backup call somebody looking for Michelle? 6:50... 6:50 pm, yet he gets off his bus at 3:45. BUT waitaminute & hold your britches... When was Michelle confirmed to arrive at Dale's? 3:18? 3:18! Well, if she's dropping her twins off to Dale at 3:18, and knowing she stopped at the salon beforehand, then why hasn't ANYTHING been released pointing to her calling her backup to take care of her son, making sure he gets off his bus safe & sound? Surely she knew she wouldn't be arriving in time to get "A" off of his bus, or meet him at home, knowing that it's 3:18 & she's just then dropping the twins off to Dale? I mean, especially that time of the day it would take her around 45 minutes to get home from Dale's... So why no call?

I always just figured that Michelle planned to make the call (to her son or to someone else to make arrangements for him) as soon as she left Dale's. That should have been around 3:30, right around the time her son would be getting off the bus. And that doesn't contradict what Lauren stated at all, IMO.

Michelle never had a chance to make the call because she did not leave DSJR's condo under her own power. MOO.

 

[telemag]

So then you do believe that he's not such a "bad guy" after seeing those? Remember these are only the incidents he was actually charged for. Michelle, unfortunately, never pressed charges on any of the incidents that she spoke about, both to her friends and in person during the PC taping, or on any of the incidents that her son testified to in court. I'm sure there were many others who did not press charges, including that cameraman.

MOO

OK since you asked I am going to be very honest with you. First I am not the least bit interested at this point (was before) about how bad of a guy Dale is. I am not interested in trying to prove Dale killed Michelle because he pushes camera men or even if he beat someone to death way back when. When I am here on this thread I am searching for clues as to who is responsible for the disappearance of Michelle NO MATTER WHO IT MAY BE. Over the last couple days we have had some pretty good discussions about Michelle and what might have happened to her and as soon as it seems the spot light is off Dale a few people come in and post docs of his criminal past or videos of him shoving people or they call his Mom and Dad names and insult them in any way they seem fit to. To me this is childish but hey it doesn't bother me really. I'm not stupid (watch it :maddening I know that there are likey some people on here who hate Dale and are close to Michelle and again thats fine by me. It's not my board so people can post what they like as long as the mods are OK with it so am I. It's been 6 months plus and LE has gotten no where and frankly I am doubting that Dale had anything to do with this, but hey I can certainly be wrong, but if I am lets hope it's because LE has real proof, not some story about Dale and how he is a really really bad person and that is why he must have done it.

 

[Lark2]

Like one, that on a lonesome road
Doth walk in fear and dread,
And having once turned round walks on,
And turns no more his head;
Because he knows, a frightful fiend
Doth close behind him tread.

Samuel Coleridge Taylor, The Rime of the Ancient Mariner

Sadly, Michelle's day did come, as Dale promised. Now comes his...

 

[What'sThatClue]

OK since you asked I am going to be very honest with you. First I am not the least bit interested at this point (was before) about how bad of a guy Dale is. I am not interested in trying to prove Dale killed Michelle because he pushes camera men or even if he beat someone to death way back when. When I am here on this thread I am searching for clues as to who is responsible for the disappearance of Michelle NO MATTER WHO IT MAY BE. Over the last couple days we have had some pretty good discussions about Michelle and what might have happened to her and as soon as it seems the spot light is off Dale a few people come in and post docs of his criminal past or videos of him shoving people or they call his Mom and Dad names and insult them in any way they seem fit to. To me this is childish but hey it doesn't bother me really. I'm not stupid (watch it :maddening I know that there are likey some people on here who hate Dale and are close to Michelle and again thats fine by me. It's not my board so people can post what they like as long as the mods are OK with it so am I. It's been 6 months plus and
LE has gotten no where and frankly I am doubting that Dale had anything to do with this, but hey I can certainly be wrong, but if I am lets hope it's because LE has real proof, not some story about Dale and how he is a really
really bad person and that is why he must have done it.

DSJr is Prime Suspect and as long as he remains Prime Suspect the spotlight will never be off him, here or elsewhere.

Jmo

 

[Cblewife]

Well here is a link to some of the actual court documents outlining his violent criminal history. Some interesting bedtime reading that will help you to see just what DSJr is capable of. If you are really interested in the actual facts of this case.

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/106513655/Dale-Smith-Legal-Documents

MOO

Thanks! I've read all these before, but not in depth like I did this time. Something I thought was interesting and quite curious. In Shannon's statement of 9/15/2000 about the domestic violence (assault) by Dale, she stated they were getting a divorce and she was moving back home to NC (on Friday, which was the day of the statement). She also states in this report that Dale threatened to kill her. I wonder what changed her mind and how she ended up moving in with Dale Sr's family? It makes me wonder about what type of control was in place. What could have possibly changed her mind? I only bring this up because I wonder what changed Michelle's mind about pressing charges?

 

[Jazzmaster]

DSJr is Prime Suspect and as long as he remains Prime Suspect the spotlight will never be off him, here or elsewhere.

Jmo

Yes Clue! We will NOT take our focus off Dale...IMO he is the ONLY one who COULD have done this...We may not be able to prove it BEYOND a reasonable doubt so far with the LIMITED amount of information that has been released by LE but it is VERY obvious who was behind Michelle's disappearance.

Some people will defend Dale and IMO ignore the facts :banghead: but that doesn't lead us any closer to finding Michelle. We have no evidence of a random person, bar patron, carjacker, or unnamed person who knew Michelle that had the motive, means, and opportunity to harm Michelle. We are aware of no other people who threatened to kill Michelle and kidnap the children.

By doing whatever Dale did to Michelle he NOW has the children and isn't paying her support...how convenient! Yes it may be more expensive raising the twinners himself but he is not paying HER...that to me is what this centers around. JMO For him it's not so much about the amount of money he wa paying but the principle of it all...the fact he HAD to pay her to raise HIS kids...

MOO It all starts and ends with Dale. What has he done with Michelle? Where did he hide her? Who helped him carry this out and/or cover up his crimes? Until we bring Michelle home or discover new evidence that someone other than Dale was involved..we shall keep picking apart everything Dale has done in his life and continues to do in order to find answers...ball's in his court. Dale where is Michelle?

 

[Jersey*Girl]

Reality Orlando, here's a quick link to a PDF that references the surveillance cameras and some of the entities involved. There are literally hundreds all over Orange County. There is a large quantity in the Oak Ridge area but that isn't stated in this specific PDF. It's a starting point of where we can search bc such entities as Homeland Security, OCSO, OPD, Metrowest associations are mentioned...among others. They have real time video, too...not on all cameras but it's amazing what they have installed now. They have real time video as well as stills with activation sensors. They have 7 databases that they utilize. At the time of this PDF, there were plans in the works to install even more. This is real high definition videos as well as cameras. They can even tap into a condo complex that has ip based surveillance installed. Rather ingenious & very proactive. Guess they'd have to be bc the crime rates soared beginning 2005 when the gun laws changed & illegal gun trades ran rampant. The murders in Oak Ridge area alone doubled - that's flat out crazy!

http://www.onssi.com/industries/public-safety/item/download/24

 

[Jersey*Girl]

There is a police station on the corner of Orange & Nela. Just thought that was ironic. Could the perp have thrown Michelle's cell in the water by the 5-0 just to be an azz? It seems to me like the perp is saying something smart (sarcastic) by doing that.

Editing to add that I know it's not directly on the corner, but in the vicinity of Orange. I just realized people could misconstrue what I'm inferring while I'm looking at a map right now... It's actually a couple blocks from Orange but close, plus it's right by the Nela Ave Bridge.

Belle Isle Police Department
1521 Nela Avenue
Belle Isle, Fl. 32809

 

[Jazzmaster]

Thanks! I've read all these before, but not in depth like I did this time. Something I thought was interesting and quite curious. In Shannon's statement of 9/15/2000 about the domestic violence (assault) by Dale, she stated they were getting a divorce and she was moving back home to NC (on Friday, which was the day of the statement). She also states in this report that Dale threatened to kill her. I wonder what changed her mind and how she ended up moving in with Dale Sr's family? It makes me wonder about what type of control was in place. What could have possibly changed her mind? I only bring this up because I wonder what changed Michelle's mind about pressing charges?

Great questions and a LOT of similarities in these two tragic situations. Both Shannon and Michelle were physically abused, had their lives threatened by Dale, changed their minds, and are no longer here with us. I have never been in an abusive relationship where the person I trust the most has that kind of control over me so I will never fully understand how Dale gained SO much control over these two kind hearted women.

 

[Jersey*Girl]

OK since you asked I am going to be very honest with you. First I am not the least bit interested at this point (was before) about how bad of a guy Dale is. I am not interested in trying to prove Dale killed Michelle because he pushes camera men or even if he beat someone to death way back when. When I am here on this thread I am searching for clues as to who is responsible for the disappearance of Michelle NO MATTER WHO IT MAY BE. Over the last couple days we have had some pretty good discussions about Michelle and what might have happened to her and as soon as it seems the spot light is off Dale a few people come in and post docs of his criminal past or videos of him shoving people or they call his Mom and Dad names and insult them in any way they seem fit to. To me this is childish but hey it doesn't bother me really. I'm not stupid (watch it :maddening I know that there are likey some people on here who hate Dale and are close to Michelle and again thats fine by me. It's not my board so people can post what they like as long as the mods are OK with it so am I. It's been 6 months plus and LE has gotten no where and frankly I am doubting that Dale had anything to do with this, but hey I can certainly be wrong, but if I am lets hope it's because LE has real proof, not some story about Dale and how he is a really really bad person and that is why he must have done it.

Hang in there Telemag...

 

[FrayedKnot]

I couldn't agree more...I SERIOUSLY wish CPS would reexamine the custody situation and get those children back in the loving arms of Michelle's parents (both sides)...JMO but Dale is a ticking time bomb. Add in his problems with drugs and alcohol and this isn't a good mix...

My first thought when I heard what Josh Powell had done to those precious boys was "Oh man, I hope Michelle's babies are safe". . IMHO, DS2 is like a flashy Josh Powell and it horrifies me.

 

[Jersey*Girl]

I'm just curious... For investigative purposes, could somebody please inform me if Dale's past record would be admissible in court if he's ever arrested for Michelle's disappearance? I know most states don't allow that but some do. Is Florida one that allows it or not? I sure wish Mark NeJame or Richard Hornsby read this thread. Mr Hornsby was on Caylee's threads & I found him rather interesting. While I believed CMA was guilty, I never thought she'd be convicted, so IMO Mr Hornsby hit the nail on the head with just about everything he said.

 

[nobodynoz]

I just want to mention that although there are a great many people who post on here who feel that Dale is the likely perp, our views on Dale's personality, motives, "dating" history, and so on ad nauseam are most certainly not monolithic. I myself, for example, feel that the repeated suggestion that Dale "dates" men is not helpful, and distracts greatly from the discussion (moo). I dislike hyperbole too.

Defining my own opinion about Dale's probable culpability in Michelle's disappearance, I don't even consider his past history with Michelle and others. I'm influenced by a few pieces of evidence since the disappearance. It's true that Dale's behavior toward the cameraman has weighed in for me as well, but primarily because this gives me an impression of the way he behaves in the public eye after being named as a prime suspect by police.

These are my opinions. I don't by any means think that my opinions, or any possible scenarios I think up, serve to prove that Dale is guilty of anything at all. I would be horrified if anyone could be convicted in a court of law based on what we, the public, know at this point. Evidence is essential for a successful trial, not emotion or feelings.

Still, I feel that Dale is the likely perp.

MOOMOOMOO

 

[cluciano63]

If LE was going to charge DS just because he is a "bad guy", why wait? They would have done so already. Obviously they are not going to do that. But looking at his official history and knowing Michelle is just gone, is very scary.

 

[FrayedKnot]

Until something new comes up, we are just left with that which we already have.

Michelle is missing and probably dead.

DS2 has a CRIMINALLY violent past and has physically harmed Michelle in the past. He also made verbal threats to do so again.

DS2 not only was Michelle's ex domestic partner, but the last person KNOWN to have seen her alive. Double POI points for LE.

He has continued to exhibit violent behavior since Michelle's disappearance, showing IMHO, that if he indeed DID kill Michelle, it wasn't a one-time, heated moment, loss of reason, but an intrinsic part of his personality and thereby making him a volatile and dangerous person.

Everything points straight at DS2 and IMO when you got a toothache, you don't go to a mechanic, you go straight to the dentist. (bad analogy but I am recovering from having work on my teefs so it made sense to me, lol)

I really don't know what LE has on him, but I have to presume that they are worried about this becoming like another high profile Orlando case and want to make sure that this time, a murderer doesn't walk free. They have made it obvious that they know DS2 is the perp.

It is frustrating to have to wait, but I just keep hope that Michelle will be found and her body will be the definitive link they need to arrest the heinous monster that killed her.

JMO

 

[nobodynoz]

Well that is quite possible because LE would not have known to be looking for Michelle in that area until they obtained the cell phone records. Plus we have no idea if the Hummer itself ever travelled through Oak Ridge to get where it was found. I don't know the area myself but is it possible that the Hummer travelled somewhere south or north of the area where there may not be any traffic cameras?

MOO

This is my feeling, too: the Hummer may not have been in the Oak Ridge area at all. Michelle's cell phone was not necessarily with the Hummer. LE may very well have Oak Ridge video footage of a vehicle associated with the perp in this case. They're not going to release that evidence to the public, so we don't know either way.