FL FL - Michelle Parker, 33, Orlando, 17 Nov 2011 - #20

[telemag]

Iirc only the official Michelle Parker missing FB site can be linked. You could ask a mod tho.

Guess it doesn't matter now, Jersey girl is correct. Anyway, my point was that he is pretty far away and I "think" I saw an interview by Ys and she said she had seen him but not sure how many times.

 

[telemag]

Telemag - pls don't link that page. It's a personal page of a man & others that aren't suspects. It's against the terms here.

I won't, I actually had no intentions of doing it.

 

[Gia]

I don't know where Telemag got it but I know this as well by reading the Facebook pages & then researching. He bought a new truck and moved with his son to Pittsburgh. I think his nephew went with them. I don't think they moved there right away, I forget but I'm thinking a couple months later. I forget but I think I remember something about the Carolinas, maybe they stopped there first? Don't know but I do know we can't discuss it further bc he's not a suspect that we know of. They live in PA but that's as much as we can say. From everything that I've seen, "A" seems to be in good hands & his father is Facebook friends with almost all of Michelle's family, even before her disappearance...but Dale wasn't. There could be good intentions for making the move. Maybe he thought his son would be in danger staying near Dale? Idk but it would add up with what "A" told authorities... Again, this can easily be found but I'm pretty sure we can't discuss it further.

BBM

Agree.

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/c...issing-mom-michelle-parker-turns-2140924.html

Snipped/BBM

And FWIW, that link states:

Parker's oldest son is now living out-of-state with his father, but has frequent contact with his grandparents, Stewart said.

Whether contact in person, via video chat, or phone, it still seems healthy and like the father is making an effort, for the good of the child. IMO

 

[Jersey*Girl]

I had this bookmarked:
http://grandparents.about.com/od/grandparentsrights/qt/Grandparent_Rights_in_Florida.htm

Based on my understanding of this it looks like the grandparents would have to go to court and let the courts decide. Sr would probably have the toughest time getting custody. BP and YS would most likely have some sort of joint custody? JMO

I wonder if the twins have godparents. Do ya think? Would they have any rights?

 

[Jersey*Girl]

BBM

Agree.



Snipped/BBM

And FWIW, that link states:



Whether contact in person, via video chat, or phone, it's still seems healthy and like the father is making an effort, for the good of the child. IMO

Totally agree! Skype is wonderful! Plus it's free!

 

[Jersey*Girl]

Sooo... While there's a lull... I keep wondering why the perp would throw Michelle's cell over the side of the Nela Bridge knowing the police station is right at the bottom of it.

Could the perp have been implying something? Is he toying with law enforcement?

To be more clear, the cell was found .4mi from the station. Le could literally walk out the front door. turn left, walk for a few minutes & bam that's where the phone was found.

 

[Jazzmaster]

I wonder if the twins have godparents. Do ya think? Would they have any rights?

From my understanding godparents have NO legal rights. They are only in a ceremonial position/role.

 

[Jazzmaster]

Sooo... While there's a lull... I keep wondering why the perp would throw Michelle's cell over the side of the Nela Bridge knowing the police station is right at the bottom of it.

Could the perp have been implying something? Is he toying with law enforcement?

I have driven that area many times and have plenty of pictures of where the phone was supposedly found. IIRC someone posted their pictures of the area upstream? Anyhow the area where the phone was reported to be found is outside of a fairly nice neighborhood, larger homes overlooking the lake.

The speed bumps and road design in there are something left to be desired...but all in all it's a fairly beautiful area IMO. I don't think any message was implied. In fact IMO if Dale or his accomplice were smarter they would have destroyed the phone or at the VERY least taken the sim card out. But that being said not sure how MUCH help finding the phone has been....Still no Michelle and Dale is still a free man.

 

[Kamille]

Jazzmaster

Ok, let me try this one last time and to the degree the I can, more concise.

The question of the kids custody which you raised originally and to which I replied has little or nothing to do with the murder investigation as it stands now.

- Dale Smith is the custodial parent of his own biological children. A family court, having found Dale fit to be a parent, has ordered that to be so.

- Dale Smith is a free man and has not been charged with any crime.

I hope on this two last points there is no disagreement here, this is not my opinion or yours is a fact.

- For the grandparents to have a useful relationship with the grandchildren they need to have effective communication with the custodial parent, in this case Dale Smith.

- Whatever issues are there between Dale and his kids' grandparents they should work it out among themselves and away from the public and that would be best for the children.

- In so far that the grandparents give interviews to the media making allegations against Dale Smith, that is counterproductive to achieve that level of communication needed by the two parties in order to productively meet this kids' needs and wants.

- Whatever you, me or anyone else thinks about Dale, the Yankees, and the meaning of life, is immaterial to the circumstances described above. IMO

Well if, as you suggest, DSJr is preventing his children from seeing their maternal family because he doesn't like that they think he may be responsible for Michelle's disappearance since LE has pretty much indicated that they believe he is, then that would make him a very selfish, petty and childish person. The children are not pawns. They are human beings with real feelings and emotions just like the rest of us. And I daresay that their feelings and emotions are in extreme turmoil at the moment. They don't "belong" to DSJr. They are not possessions to do with as he pleases. He is very fortunate to have been blessed with the opportunity of having and raising two beautiful children but that doesn't mean that he should be able to use them to make people be nice to him or to do what he wants them to do. Their happiness and mental health should be of the utmost importance to him, not witholding them from visitation with important people in their life because he perceives that they view him suspiciously. And are they able to work it out between themselves? Can YS just pick up the phone and call him? Can she call the children or does she have to go through his lawyer to see the children? That's not very effective communication on his part if that is the case. YS extended an olive branch to him at that court hearing and he screwed her over at the first opportunity by messing with her emotions when he brought the children over to see her and then took them away again. I don't know what transpired that day to make him do that but who did it benefit? Certainly not the children.

As far as the grandparents making allegations against DSJr in the media, I think it's been mentioned that at least YS has done no such thing and I believe the entire family stood by DSJr in the beginning but that didn't stop him from keeping the children from them then. What she said about the children's current mental state, their unhappiness and their blank expressions is most likely directly as a result of the confusion and sadness of losing their mother, their brother, their grandmother and their extended maternal family all in the course of one day. A family they lived with and were very close to. I didn't take it as an accusation against DSJr at all. They need some normalcy in their life. They needed it from day one IMO and they didn't get it. I'm not sure how close they were to Michelle's father's family because they didn't live with them so if DSJr has a problem with some of the things that BP has said then he should face it head on. He has the ability to squash these allegations and make all of the family realize that he is not responsible but he either can't or won't. Why not? Does he not understand how important it is to his children that he get out from under this cloud if he is innocent? Does he even care? Or as usual is it just all about him and his hurt feelings?

MOO

 

[katydid23]

Guess it doesn't matter now, Jersey girl is correct. Anyway, my point was that he is pretty far away and I "think" I saw an interview by Ys and she said she had seen him but not sure how many times.

The difference between the two situations is that the older brother was not taken from the family out of spite. His father is helping him heal from the situation while he waits for more info, but there is no animosity between the families, imo.
And another HUGE difference is the timing. The twins were dropped off for a short visit and never were returned. The older brother was with his original house mates for long enough to grasp what was going on, and then moved to be with his father, and NOT the one who is the prime suspect in his mothers disappearance.

 

[Jersey*Girl]

I have driven that area many times and have plenty of pictures of where the phone was supposedly found. IIRC someone posted their pictures of the area upstream? Anyhow the area where the phone was reported to be found is outside of a fairly nice neighborhood, larger homes overlooking the lake.

The speed bumps and road design in there are something left to be desired...but all in all it's a fairly beautiful area IMO. I don't think any message was implied. In fact IMO if Dale or his accomplice were smarter they would have destroyed the phone or at the VERY least taken the sim card out. But that being said not sure how MUCH help finding the phone has been....Still no Michelle and Dale is still a free man.

Technology changes on a daily basis. If comp forensics couldn't get much from it now, they'll be able to in the future - you can bank on that.

But Jazz, the police station is right there. Whomever threw that cell over had to know the station is right there. Why dispose of the cell at that particular spot? There's so many other bodies of water. Yet they chose to throw it over the Neva Ave railing with the police station right there? It rubs me the wrong way. Totally. Can't get rid of that feeling.

Might sound ridiculous but I wonder how much security is around the Belle Isle PD. What about cameras?

 

[telemag]

I remember reading about Michelle's other son and him moving away and how terrible that poor lady must feel to lose not only her daughter but 3 of her grand children too. No real point here just thinking out loud a little.

 

[FrayedKnot]

I remember reading about Michelle's other son and him moving away and how terrible that poor lady must feel to lose not only her daughter but 3 of her grand children too. No real point here just thinking out loud a little.

I truly cannot even imagine. I doubt I would survive losing my child, much less the rest.

 

[Thor]

Well if, as you suggest, DSJr is preventing his children from seeing their maternal family because he doesn't like that they think he may be responsible for Michelle's disappearance since LE has pretty much indicated that they believe he is, then that would make him a very selfish, petty and childish person. The children are not pawns. They are human beings with real feelings and emotions just like the rest of us. And I daresay that their feelings and emotions are in extreme turmoil at the moment. They don't "belong" to DSJr. They are not possessions to do with as he pleases. He is very fortunate to have been blessed with the opportunity of having and raising two beautiful children but that doesn't mean that he should be able to use them to make people be nice to him or to do what he wants them to do. Their happiness and mental health should be of the utmost importance to him, not witholding them from visitation with important people in their life because he perceives that they view him suspiciously. And are they able to work it out between themselves? Can YS just pick up the phone and call him? Can she call the children or does she have to go through his lawyer to see the children? That's not very effective communication on his part if that is the case. YS extended an olive branch to him at that court hearing and he screwed her over at the first opportunity by messing with her emotions when he brought the children over to see her and then took them away again. I don't know what transpired that day to make him do that but who did it benefit? Certainly not the children.
As far as the grandparents making allegations against DSJr in the media, I think it's been mentioned that at least YS has done no such thing and I believe the entire family stood by DSJr in the beginning but that didn't stop him from keeping the children from them then. What she said about the children's current mental state, their unhappiness and their blank expressions is most likely directly as a result of the confusion and sadness of losing their mother, their brother, their grandmother and their extended maternal family all in the course of one day. A family they lived with and were very close to. I didn't take it as an accusation against DSJr at all. They need some normalcy in their life. They needed it from day one IMO and they didn't get it. I'm not sure how close they were to Michelle's father's family because they didn't live with them so if DSJr has a problem with some of the things that BP has said then he should face it head on. He has the ability to squash these allegations and make all of the family realize that he is not responsible but he either can't or won't. Why not? Does he not understand how important it is to his children that he get out from under this cloud if he is innocent? Does he even care? Or as usual is it just all about him and his hurt feelings?

MOO

The phrase "children belong with their parents" is not intended to mean children are objects to be possessed by their parents as you would, say a pen or a car, I thought that went without saying. It means that barring neglect, abuse and such, children are best situated with their parents, another thing I thought went even without saying.

Never said Dale doesn't make the grandparents see his kids because of what you suggested, I don't even know for a fact what the visitation arrangements are, or were or if they have changed and if so for what reason .... to make it really really simple I said, something like making negative allegations about people, especially publicly, doesn't make people cooperate with each other and the grandparents should stop doing that and work out their problems in private especially in this case and for the benefits of the kids?

As per the rest of this reply I really don't know what to make of it, it is so full of hypotheticals that yes, of course, "if this" "if that" then "this" and "that". If Dale Smith is actually an alien from outer space then yes, absolutely I think the kids should be placed with their grandparents, or better yet let's do it this way:

1. If Dale Smith __________ then _____________

2. If Dale Smith __________ then _____________

3. If Dale Smith __________ then _____________

4. If Dale Smith __________ then _____________

Then you can pick every media report and decide it makes sense to prove this theory or that theory. I have no idea what media accounts about Dale doing this or that is even remotely true, they are however all negative and yes, I agree ... if this is true ______ then __________

 

[Jazzmaster]

Technology changes on a daily basis. If comp forensics couldn't get much from it now, they'll be able to in the future - you can bank on that.

But Jazz, the police station is right there. Whomever threw that cell over had to know the station is right there. Why dispose of the cell at that particular spot? There's so many other bodies of water. Yet they chose to throw it over the Neva Ave railing with the police station right there? It rubs me the wrong way. Totally. Can't get rid of that feeling.

Might sound ridiculous but I wonder how much security is around the Belle Isle PD. What about cameras?

I guess you can't rule out Dale taunting the LE...I still find it quite a coincide that Dale's parents were subpoenaed and then all of a sudden LE finds Michelle's phone. THAT rubbed me the wrong way. Here is a link to Belle Isle PD:
http://www.cityofbelleislefl.org/Police_Dept_.html

 

[Jazzmaster]

The phrase "children belong with their parents" is not intended to mean children are objects to be possessed by their parents as you would, say a pen or a car, I thought that went without saying. It means that barring neglect, abuse and such children are best situated with their parents, another thing I thought went even without saying.

Never said Dale doesn't make the grandparents see his kids because of what you suggested, I don't even know for a fact what the visitation arrangements are, or were or if they have changed and if so for what reason .... to make it really really simple I said, something like fighting doesn't make people cooperate and they should stop doing that and work out their problems especially in this case and for the benefits of the kids?

As per the rest of this reply I really don't know what to make of it, it is so full of hypotheticals that yes, of course, "if this" "if that" then "this" and "that". If Dale Smith is actually an alien from outer space then yes, absolutely I think the kids should be placed with their grandparents, or better yet let's do it this way:

1. If Dale Smith __________ then _____________

2. If Dale Smith __________ then _____________

3. If Dale Smith __________ then _____________

4. If Dale Smith __________ then _____________

Then you can pick every media report and decide it makes sense to prove this theory or that theory. I have no idea of all the accounts about Dale doing this or that is even remotely true, they are however all negative and yes, I agree ... if this is true ______ then __________

I think you are missing the point. Regardless of how Dale FEELS he is being treated by Michelle's parents as a father (legal guardian), it is his obligation to look after the children's best interests. Keeping the children from YS and BP serves no purpose IMO other than Dale's selfishness. If he truly was looking at his children's best interests he would set aside whatever differences he has with the parents and try to keep the relationships they previously had in place. Why hasn't Dale allowed GP and BP to see the children at all? Something's not right there!

 

[SleuthDecay]

I keep reading here that the reason for Dustin texting Michelle that day was to ask her for a ride, and that he also copied Lauren and Yvonne on the same post. I don't doubt that's true at all, but I've been looking for a link and haven't been able to find it reported anywhere. I can find plenty of references to it, but not from any news source.

Like I said, I'm not doubting that it's true. I think I even remember seeing a picture of his return text which said something like "ok, so nowhere near me". But I'll be darned if I can find it. Anyone know where it was reported? TIA!

 

[Thor]

I think you are missing the point. Regardless of how Dale FEELS he is being treated by Michelle's parents as a father (legal guardian), it is his obligation to look after the children's best interests. Keeping the children from YS and BP serves no purpose IMO other than Dale's selfishness. If he truly was looking at his children's best interests he would set aside whatever differences he has with the parents and try to keep the relationships they previously had in place. Why hasn't Dale allowed GP and BP to see the children at all? Something's not right there!

This whole theory rest on the fact that Dale he's keeping the children from YS and BP. Is it a fact? Or an allegation made by YS and BP? And do you know what transpired between the parties that led to them not been allowed visitations? Or are these the facts because BP and YS say so? So absent anybody knowing the whole story we simply pick the version of the people we sympathize with?

The problem here is simple, not knowing all the facts is always a question of "if this" "then", where the answer is always correct and what one wants it to be. In other words how difficult it is to know the answer of the equation when you are the one filling in the unknowns?

 

[Jazzmaster]

This whole theory rest on the fact that Dale he's keeping the children from YS and BP. Is it a fact? Or an allegation made by YS and BP? And do you know what transpired between the parties that led to them not been allowed visitations? Or are these the facts because BP and YS say so? So absent anybody knowing the whole story we simply pick the version of the people we sympathize with?

The problem here is simple, not knowing all the facts is always a question of if and then, where the answer is always correct and what one wants it to be.

Well we know YS has said she has seen the children 3 times in 6 months. I am not sure if the time Dale drove the kids to her house and immediately left is one of those times. We know they had an agreement for liberal visitations and that the agreement has not been held up by Dale. Where I come from a person's word is their honor. Does Dale's word not mean anything?

Additionally...I have not seen any reports of the children seeing GP and BP at all...Based solely on my impression on how they feel about Dale and Dale's nature it wouldn't surprise me if he has not allowed the twinners to see them since Michelle disappeared. If you have a link that they have seen the children please correct me. If they haven't been allowed to see the children then that's just plain wrong! I doubt there is any story or reason Dale would change the liberal visitation agreement other than he just wants to be "in control".

 

[katydid23]

I keep reading here that the reason for Dustin texting Michelle that day was to ask her for a ride, and that he also copied Lauren and Yvonne on the same post. I don't doubt that's true at all, but I've been looking for a link and haven't been able to find it reported anywhere. I can find plenty of references to it, but not from any news source.

Like I said, I'm not doubting that it's true. I think I even remember seeing a picture of his return text which said something like "ok, so nowhere near me". But I'll be darned if I can find it. Anyone know where it was reported? TIA!

I spent an hour or two yesterday trying to find that source too. I clearly remember reading about it months ago, and I remember an explanation coming from the brother, saying it was really him looking for a quick ride, but now I cannot find it anywhere. I also remember an interview with the sister talking about the older son texting his mom to say he was home from school and receiving no reply. I can't find that anymore either.