FL FL - Michelle Parker, 33, Orlando, 17 Nov 2011 - #20

[SleuthDecay]

It is impossible to prove a negative.

No, it's not.

 

[telemag]

iirc they said "only"

but I think the meaning would be the same (re: prime vs only)

They were very emphatic that he was the only suspect they were looking at.:moo:

Wow, ok very interesting. Thanks so much. Kinda makes me wonder how these guys word things.

 

[Thor]

Do you know for certain that the police will NOT come up with enough evidence to arrest Dale? If so, I'd love to know how you know this.

It is impossible to prove a negative.

(Revision) "IMO" the police won't prove Dale did it.

 

[Thor]

No, it's not.

Can you provide an example where one proves a negative?

 

[telemag]

No, it's not.

This could get very deep. :banghead: :floorlaugh:

 

[Thor]

This could get very deep. :banghead: :floorlaugh:

Details, details ...

 

[nursebeeme]

Can you provide an example where one proves a negative?

essay on it
http://departments.bloomu.edu/philosophy/pages/content/hales/articlepdf/proveanegative.pdf

this wiki also gives several logic examples (including legal arguments) on proving a negative.. examples in logic, mathematics, law, etc

Proving a negative - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[katydid23]

Can you post a link of this? If not please indicate it is your opinion and not a fact.

Here are links and descriptions of the visitation issues. Below you will see reports describing the situation. Apparently,the twins lived with their mother and grandmother since they were born. And they spent very little time with Dale. The first twelve days after their mommy went missing, they were kept completely away from their brother and grandmother.

Michelle's family publicly stated it was a carjacking, but still Dale kept the kids away from them. On the 12th day, her family tried to force Dale to allow for visitation. Yvonne was able to see them for one day. They still had not been told anything at all about their mom being missing. So she agreed to keep it form them, as Dale asked her to do.

The courts ruled against Michelle's family, and they were returned to Dale. But the attorney for the Parkers said that a liberal visitation agreement had been worked out and the family was thrilled. But in reality, Dale did not follow through on the agreement, and the family was not allowed to see the kids for months. I think they have seen them 3 times in the past 6 months. Short visits.

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After the ruling Stewart hugged Smith and whispered in his ear.

"I told him that I want to see my grandchildren," Stewart said with tears in her eyes. "It's going to be OK."

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news...-parker-missing-hearing-20111130,0,3577848.st


Stewart and her family spent Tuesday evening with her grandchildren for the first time since Parker vanished on Nov. 17 after dropping the twins off with Smith.

“In this country, grandparents have no rights," Stewart said. "Even though I've raised them for three years, and this is what they know. They want to be with their brother, he doesn't understand any of this and I'm like 'you have to do what they say right now' and it's tough.”

Stewart got to spend time a little bit of time with the twins before she had to turn them back over to Smith.

For now, she hopes they are in good hands with their dad, as she returns her focus to finding her daughter.

“I feel sorry for Michelle,” Stewart said. “I feel sorry for her. Don't feel sorry for me.”

http://www.cfnews13.com/article/new...-into-Friday-as-family-gets-ready-for-benefit

The children have lived with Stewart and her family on-and-off for most of their lives and have bedrooms at her home. They wanted French fries and chocolate milk, so the family took them to McDonald's.

Once home, the twins played with their new Chihuahua puppy their mother bought for them recently and then got ready for bed.

The next day they were returned to their father, whom they are not accustomed to spending so much time with, Stewart said.

"It was heart wrenching because they were happy to be with us. I really know Michelle would want them to be with us," Stewart said. "I think we are going to work out some amicable grandma visit time."

http://www.cfnews13.com/article/new...-visits-missing-mom-Michelle-Parkers-children
The family of Michelle Parker and Michelle's ex-fiancé Dale Smith II have reached an agreement allowing the family to see the couple's twins.For the first time since a judge ruled the children should remain with Smith, Lauren Erickson, Parker's younger sister spent Sunday with the twins.


The Parker family attorney said both sides have reached a "very liberal visitation plan" but wouldn't go into specifics. Lauren said whenever their mother Michelle comes up they change the subject, knowing Parker's disappearance isn't something 3-year-olds can and should have to understand.
"It's ‘mommy is at work’ or ‘mommy's on vacation’ when they do ask and ‘she'll be home soon, she's just not here right now,’" Erickson said.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news...arker-search-obt-lake-20120201,0,500957.story

Parker's family arrived at the search site this morning and was briefed by law enforcement.

"We have been waiting for clues and tips to see if we can find her," Parker's mother, Yvonne Stewart, said. "It's a double-edge sword. But if she is here, I hope we find her."

Recent weeks have been increasingly harder for the family, Stewart said. She has not been allowed to see her 3-year-old twin grandchildren for the past three weeks, despite having a visitation arrangement.

The children have been living with their father since their mother disappeared.

Stewart said when she last saw the children they appeared to be healthy.

She worries about what Smith may be telling the children about her family. They had been raised by their mother and her family since they were two weeks old, Stewart said.

 

[katydid23]

Thor,

I think we had an earlier discussion about the meaning of the term, 'prime' suspect. I found a quote from LE which will define what they mean by the term, imo.

"We had to look at every aspect of the case before we could come out publicly and state that Mr. Smith is our primary focus," Rooney said Monday.

"He is our primary suspect," Rooney added. "There are no other suspects that I am aware of as Orlando police chief."

http://www.justice4caylee.org/t17317p4-michelle-
parker-33-yo-orlando-fl

 

[Thor]

essay on it
http://departments.bloomu.edu/philosophy/pages/content/hales/articlepdf/proveanegative.pdf

this wiki also gives several logic examples (including legal arguments) on proving a negative.. examples in logic, mathematics, law, etc

Proving a negative - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Wow, no pun intended what a great link you just gave me. I really appreciate it, this subject has been debated before and I will take a look at it some more.

 

[Skully]

I wish we knew why LE thinks she is dead? I have not read that so I can't provide a link, I am assuming they think that or why are they looking at Dale. With that said, I have to wonder what they have, because in the Sierra LaMarr case, they had big things and held it back until an arrest was made. they were adament that she was dead, long before the arrest. So maybe it is something other than her just not being seen or heard from. I still hold out hope she is gone and will resurface at a later date. We have heard of this happening in other missing person's cases. We know a lot about Dale and it does look very bad, but I still hope she is alive and just bartending or doing hair in some other State. lease:

 

[telemag]

Wow, no pun intended what a great link you just gave me. I really appreciate it, this subject has been debated before and I will take a look at it some more.

Hence my comment on getting deep.

 

[Skully]

Hence my comment on getting deep.

Don't get me started on Dark Matter!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Thor]

Hence my comment on getting deep.

Yes I agree, but it is refreshing to be challenged on the real facts for a change.

 

[Thor]

Don't get me started on Dark Matter!!!!!!!!!!!!

:floorlaugh:

 

[Jazzmaster]

No,I would not leave my kids with the grandparents and neither should Dale IMO

I wasn't talking about Dale's parents with Sr's drug operations...I was talking about the wonderful YS & BP. Great parents IMO and they will raise "healthy" grand babies!

 

[Jazzmaster]

As I said I don't know what kind of visitation arrangements they had and why the changed (if they did).

So if we know of NO changes then Dale is in the wrong IMO breaking his promises. JMO but his word doesn't mean much considering he won't tell the TRUTH about what happened to Michelle and stopped cooperating in the investigation...

 

[Thor]

I wasn't talking about Dale's parents with Sr's drug operations...I was talking about the wonderful YS & BP. Great parents IMO and they will raise "healthy" grand babies!

No I would keep my kids thanks and so should Dale.

 

[telemag]

Don't get me started on Dark Matter!!!!!!!!!!!!

I live with a physicist its at least the topic of discussion twice a week ha ha

 

[Skully]

So if the 4:26 ping was on Hoffman and Dale has an alibi for being at Sr's at 4:30; do we know how far that is and how long a drive to the mall area? Dale may be a Jedi, but he can't be in two places at one time.

Some one had the kids, and a vehicile and someone had the cell phone and possibliy Michelle and the hummer. Or someone had the kids, Michelle and the other person had the hummer and the cell.

Dale can't drive two vehiciles by himself, unless the twins are really really smart and can drive now.