FL FL - Michelle Parker, 33, Orlando, 17 Nov 2011 - #21

[Jersey*Girl]

Why would a stalker go thru the trouble of removing the decals, sending a bogus text, using Michelle's phone to monitor the family's reaction, and then hide Michelle? IMO this does not seem viable considering we have no other evidence that said person exists...

Jazz, I noticed something last night.

Regarding that text, I kept thinking it wouldn't be Dale bc he'd know how Michelle texted & woulda used tons of smilies hearts & writes a book.

... BUT ...

Look at where Dale lives. Look where Michelle lives. Waterford Lakes is about 1/2way between. I wonder where she went shopping with her mom that day. Way it at Waterfird Lakes Town Center? Maybe Dale saw a bag like you suggested in another post.

Keep following me...

Dale originally told Lauren that Michelle got there around 4:00, right? He said she stayed about 10 minutes & left, said she was going shopping.

... But then we found out that was a lie & that Michelle arrived at 3:18.

Sooooo...

Pull up google maps. Put in 3 addresses in this order:
(Dale's) 6598 South Goldenrod Road, Orlando, FL
(Waterford) Waterford Lakes Town Ctr, Orlando, FL
(Michelle's home) 557 Guy Court, Geneva, FL

Wait for it... Wait for it...

Ok, pull up the map, pull up the list - 15-20 minutes from Dale's to Waterford. So based on his lie to Lauren about arriving around 4:00 & leaving 10 minutes later, Michelle would have been in Waterford at the time of that text, even if she wasn't stopping to shop, while driving on her way home.

... BUT ...

WE KNOW THAT WASN'T TRUE BC THERE'S PROOF OF MICHELLE ARRIVING AT PRECISELY 3:18.

Only 1 person mentioned that 4:00 arrival time.

I HIGHLY suspect this is why police believe Dale is their ONLY suspect.

 

[SleuthDecay]

Exactly it is "thought by many" not proof. So I am all for proof that Michelle dd not send the text if you or anyone else has any. My "opinion" is that POSSIBLEY Michelle did not want to pick her brother up so she sent him a quick text saying "Waterford". Also, from what I understand the other two people he texted didn't bother to respond.

Here's a couple of things I would like to know that may point to why Michelle didn't feel like picking up her brother.

1. Was he in the habit of asking for rides?
2. Did he not own a car and why?
3. Was he not able to drive possibly due to some disability?

Sounds like Michelle was on a very tight schedule that day and most likely would not have had time to do anything else.

If she just didn't want to give him a ride, why lie to him? Why bother to answer him at all? Why send that text, but never contact her son?

 

[katydid23]

If she left on her own, that could explain it.

And what are the odds of that? She was a very devoted mother, had never ever neglected her children or been irresponsible with them previously. She was in a very good place in her life, was newly in LOVE, had a job she loved, and had three healthy, adorable children. What are the odds that she took off, with no money, and no one running off with her?

 

[Jazzmaster]

Unassailable reasoning here IMO, unless someone has a better theory in this regard.

This would be construed as "normal" if she had other activity AFTER she left Dale's...IMO she would have at the very least continued her conversation with NM, answer the host of phone calls and texts that probably came in from A who had gotten off the bus to no Mom or word from her...There is no indication from any of the reports I have read that this text from Michelle was believed to have been from her. IIRC there have been SEVERAL sources indicating that it is believed that this text was sent to deliberately mislead Michelle's family as to her whereabouts and minimize concerns...

 

[Jazzmaster]

Jazz, I noticed something last night.

Regarding that text, I kept thinking it wouldn't be Dale bc he'd know how Michelle texted & woulda used tons of smilies hearts & writes a book.

... BUT ...

Look at where Dale lives. Look where Michelle lives. Waterford Lakes is about 1/2way between. I wonder where she went shopping with her mom that day. Way it at Waterfird Lakes Town Center? Maybe Dale saw a bag like you suggested in another post.

Keep following me...

Dale originally told Lauren that Michelle got there around 4:00, right? He said she stayed about 10 minutes & left, said she was going shopping.

... But then we found out that was a lie & that Michelle arrived at 3:18.

Sooooo...

Pull up google maps. Put in 3 addresses in this order:
(Dale's) 6598 South Goldenrod Road, Orlando, FL
(Waterford) Waterford Lakes Town Ctr, Orlando, FL
(Michelle's home) 557 Guy Court, Geneva, FL

Wait for it... Wait for it...

Ok, pull up the map, pull up the list - 15-20 minutes from Dale's to Waterford. So based on his lie to Lauren about arriving around 4:00 & leaving 10 minutes later, Michelle would have been in Waterford at the time of that text, even if she wasn't stopping to shop, while driving on her way home.

... BUT ...

WE KNOW THAT WASN'T TRUE BC THERE'S PROOF OF MICHELLE ARRIVING AT PRECISELY 3:18.

Only 1 person mentioned that 4:00 arrival time.

I HIGHLY suspect this is why police believe Dale is their ONLY suspect.

Bravo! You get the gold star of the day. Nice work. Dale's plan WOULD have worked had it not been for that pesky neighbor's video camera catching Michelle arriving at 3:18. I mean shopping bags in car (check), she leaves at 4:10, he leaves at 4:10 and gets to his parents for 4:30 (check). Her phone texted "waterford" at 4:26 (check).. Dale's story adds up minus the video camera recording...That darn technology! He might have gotten away with murder had it not been for the camera...JMO

 

[Thor]

I getcha! SO how does he get her away from the condo? Does he drug her? Is someone waiting in her car...What scenario would be plausible?

IMO Not with the kids present in the condo, no, if his kids are like mine they hang around, kids at that age crave attention, especially children of divorced parents. And one would need an altercation to speculate a reason for Dale to kill her on that very day and not another and we have no confirmation of that either.IMO Intent is crucial to establish a reasonable scenario that DS killed MP after she left the condo and I need to acquaint myself better with the facts before I could develop a theory. I will.

 

[telemag]

If she just didn't want to give him a ride, why lie to him? Why bother to answer him at all? Why send that text, but never contact her son?

Lots of whys, and I guess we will never know. I could speculate but why bother.

 

[Thor]

This would be construed as "normal" if she had other activity AFTER she left Dale's...IMO she would have at the very least continued her conversation with NM, answer the host of phone calls and texts that probably came in from A who had gotten off the bus to no Mom or word from her...There is no indication from any of the reports I have read that this text from Michelle was believed to have been from her. IIRC there have been SEVERAL sources indicating that it is believed that this text was sent to deliberately mislead Michelle's family as to her whereabouts and minimize concerns...

I don't think that the "waterford" text could be discounted as coming fro MP, I think Telemag reasoning is sound here. However, it is possible, though less so, that he was the perp texting and not Michelle.

 

[katydid23]

IMO Not with the kids present in the condo, no, if his kids are like mine they hang around, kids at that age crave attention, especially children of divorced parents. And one would need an altercation to speculate a reason for Dale to kill her on that very day and not another and we have no confirmation of that either.IMO Intent is crucial to establish a reasonable scenario that DS killed MP after she left the condo and I need to acquaint myself better with the facts before I could develop a theory. I will.

If you have kids, you may be able to relate to my theory. What happens when you pick up three yr olds at 3 in the afternoon from daycare, and take them for a ride in the car? They fall asleep. At least mine always did. I really believe that they were probably asleep in their car seats when Michelle pulled into the condo complex. It would make sense that they just carried the kids in and put them down for a nap. IMO

 

[Thor]

Following on my previous thought, why would the perp need to fake a text from Michelle? Why not just toss the cell and be done with it? Police don't usually get involved in missing person cases before at least 2 days, and as I said in a previous post, is not like the perp was fearing barking search dogs in the distance and helicopters overhead just yet.

 

[katydid23]

I don't think that the "waterford" text could be discounted as coming fro MP, I think Telemag reasoning is sound here. However, it is possible, though less so, that he was the perp texting and not Michelle.

I don't think it is sound reasoning at all. First of all, the phone WAS NOT PINGING at Waterford when that text was sent. Big red flag, imo/

Second, why would she ignore her son who was home alone, if she was capable of texting at the time? She had never done that before. He was home alone by 3:30. Why wouldn't she have given him a heads up that she was going to go shopping instead of coming home, like she planned to do.

And why didn't she continue texting her boyfriend, who had replied to her earlier text, and never heard from her again?

And , in thinking outside of the box, do you have any possible scenarios for just how she went missing, after she left the condo?

 

[Skully]

Jazz, I noticed something last night.

Regarding that text, I kept thinking it wouldn't be Dale bc he'd know how Michelle texted & woulda used tons of smilies hearts & writes a book.

... BUT ...

Look at where Dale lives. Look where Michelle lives. Waterford Lakes is about 1/2way between. I wonder where she went shopping with her mom that day. Way it at Waterfird Lakes Town Center? Maybe Dale saw a bag like you suggested in another post.

Keep following me...

Dale originally told Lauren that Michelle got there around 4:00, right? He said she stayed about 10 minutes & left, said she was going shopping.

... But then we found out that was a lie & that Michelle arrived at 3:18.

Sooooo...

Pull up google maps. Put in 3 addresses in this order:
(Dale's) 6598 South Goldenrod Road, Orlando, FL
(Waterford) Waterford Lakes Town Ctr, Orlando, FL
(Michelle's home) 557 Guy Court, Geneva, FL

Wait for it... Wait for it...

Ok, pull up the map, pull up the list - 15-20 minutes from Dale's to Waterford. So based on his lie to Lauren about arriving around 4:00 & leaving 10 minutes later, Michelle would have been in Waterford at the time of that text, even if she wasn't stopping to shop, while driving on her way home.

... BUT ...

WE KNOW THAT WASN'T TRUE BC THERE'S PROOF OF MICHELLE ARRIVING AT PRECISELY 3:18.

Only 1 person mentioned that 4:00 arrival time.

I HIGHLY suspect this is why police believe Dale is their ONLY suspect.

Okay, I follow you on all of this, but the one thing that we have to disprove is the 4:30 alibi at Sr.'s home. How far is the ping at Hoffner to Sr's home? What is the distance and travel time? Who would give this alibi that would be believable to his attorney? Mark N is on dummy.

 

[katydid23]

Following on my previous thought, why would the perp need to fake a text from Michelle? Why not just toss the cell and be done with it? Police don't usually get involved in missing person cases before at least 2 days, and as I said in a previous post, is not like the perp was fearing barking search dogs in the distance and helicopters overhead just yet.

If it was a random car jacker, then I don't believe he would have faked the text. He would have just tossed the cell or taken the battery out and sold it later in another city.

But Dale, that is another story altogether. I believe he was somewhat panicked, because he saw that text from her brother, and he worried that her family was going to start missing her earlier than he thought they were. And imo, he still had her hidden somewhere on his property or in his truck or workplace. He KNEW that they knew that the last place she had been was his condo, so he needed to buy himself some time. And it worked.

 

[Jersey*Girl]

I think I just threw up in my mouth...BRB

This was a flat out typo! Jeez my gosh! If I hadn't gone back through the past ole pages is never know! I typed special but must have left out the p , so my phone pulled the x in place of the c & therefore changed the darn word! I most definitely 100% meant SPECIAL, not that other word. Right now would be a good time to shut my stinking autocorrect & autofill off. Holy chit!

 

[katydid23]

Okay, I follow you on all of this, but the one thing that we have to disprove is the 4:30 alibi at Sr.'s home. How far is the ping at Hoffner to Sr's home? What is the distance and travel time? Who would give this alibi that would be believable to his attorney? Mark N is on dummy.

But that alibi means nothing, imo. All it means is that Dale made a quick stop to drop the kids off at his parents home. That does not mean that he was not in the process, at that very time, of disposing of all of the evidence. Just because a neighbor supposedly saw him pull into his parents driveway, sometime around 4:30, does not mean he did not kill Michelle, imo.

 

[Thor]

If you have kids, you may be able to relate to my theory. What happens when you pick up three yr olds at 3 in the afternoon from daycare, and take them for a ride in the car? They fall asleep. At least mine always did. I really believe that they were probably asleep in their car seats when Michelle pulled into the condo complex. It would make sense that they just carried the kids in and put them down for a nap. IMO

You assuming a scenario where the kids fall asleep in the car and Michelle knocks at Dale's door after leaving the kids unattended in the car. I am assuming a scenario where the kids are awake and MP brings them to Dale's condo. Either way, it is hard to imagine IMO Dale's reason in killing her right there or soon after with the kids present, asleep or not as opposite to another day. If an altercation took place, and he killed her or abducted her right there, the logistical problems become surreal here and too many to enumerate.

 

[southern_comfort]

How do we know Michelle went right up to the door upon her arrival? Maybe the twins had fallen asleep and she sat in the car playing a game on or taking pictures of herself with her cell phone (or whatever) until 4.

Has Dale himself come back and said oops, he was wrong about the time?

 

[Jersey*Girl]

Is there any way Dale could be connected to her as well? I heard about it on the local news a while back...but I admit I haven't followed the case too closely...TIA

No idea really...

 

[SleuthDecay]

Lots of whys, and I guess we will never know. I could speculate but why bother.

[BBM]

Ok, but you've already speculated that Michelle was the one who sent the text because she didn't feel like giving DE a ride, so she lied to him. There are problems with that theory, IMO. Unless someone can address those problems convincingly, I just can't believe that Michelle sent the 4:26 text.

 

[Jersey*Girl]

Okay, I follow you on all of this, but the one thing that we have to disprove is the 4:30 alibi at Sr.'s home. How far is the ping at Hoffner to Sr's home? What is the distance and travel time? Who would give this alibi that would be believable to his attorney? Mark N is on dummy.

From what I can see, they may even share a tower. I think I saved tower links for Orange County in Caylee's case. I'll do a quick search to see if I can locate it.