FL FL - Michelle Parker, 33, Orlando, 17 Nov 2011 - #21

[What'sThatClue]

I have no personal interest in attacking the character of Sr. As in the case of Dale he has not been accused by LE of being complicit in the disappearance of MP.

Also if smoking and/or having a pot of pot (Lol) :jail: is a serious crime then possibly we would not have enough jails to hold all convicted felons. I suspect that is why the police don't usually raid college dorms, if at all. :rocker: IMO

Also It is reasonable to infer that a family testimony on behalf of a defendant does not carry the same weight as say a stranger's. However if the police cannot refute that testimony, then IMO that testimony (of the family) becomes much more relevant, especially in a context where the police need to put the accused in the same place as the victim when the alleged crime occured. IMO

Referring to your last paragraph....moot point, JMO, since no one has been identified as the witness. Just Dale's attorney, MN, stating that there was one, as per my post above with the link to MN's statement. Your statement might be relevant if and when that witness is identified.

 

[Thor]

Referring to your last paragraph....moot point, JMO, since no one has been identified as the witness. Just Dale's attorney, MN, stating that there was one, as per my post above with the link to MN's statement. Your statement might be relevant if and when that witness is identified.

Why is it a moot point to have an opinion that:

1. Ds family puts Dale at Sr' home at 4:30.

2. That it is a fact that the police has never said Dale was not at Sr's home at 4:30 pm.

3. To have an opinion about the general relevance of a statement or testimony in the context of a particular allegation.

Furthermore having an opinion that the family confirms Dale being at Sr home at 4:30 pm is only so from a technical point of view, since one can more then reasonable infer that such a testimony does exist since it has been a crucial part of Dale's attorney theory of the now famous 72 mins defense. IMO

How is that a mute point? As opposite to "yeah, sure I know Dale did it because he's such a cad and how possibly can he not have done it" thingy?

 

[What'sThatClue]

Why is it a moot point to have an opinion that:

1. Ds family puts Dale at Sr' home at 4:30.

2. That it is a fact that the police has never said Dale was not at Sr's home at 4:30 pm.

3. To have an opinion about the general relevance of a statement or testimony in the context of a particular allegation.

Furthermore having an opinion that the family confirms Dale being at Sr home at 4:30 pm is only so from a technical point of view, since one can more then reasonable infer that such a testimony does exist since it has been a crucial part of Dale's attorney theory of the now famous 72 mins defense. IMO

How is that a mute point? As opposite to "yeah, sure I know Dale did it because he'a just a cad and how possibly can he not have done it" thingy?

JMO, it is moot because the witness has not been identified and therefore, jmo, not up to speculation that it was or wasn't Sr or a family member. Again, JMO.

 

[Jazzmaster]

I have no personal interest in attacking the character of Sr. As in the case of Dale he has not been accused by LE of being complicit in the disappearance of MP.

Also if smoking and/or having a pot of pot (Lol) :jail: is a serious crime then possibly we would not have enough jails to hold all convicted felons. I suspect that is why the police don't usually raid college dorms, if at all. :rocker: IMO

Also It is reasonable to infer that a family testimony on behalf of a defendant does not carry the same weight as say a stranger's. However if the police cannot refute that testimony, then IMO that testimony (of the family) becomes much more relevant, especially in a context where the police need to put the accused in the same place as the victim when the alleged crime occured. IMO

Points well taken...I too have NO personal interest in attacking Sr or even Jr for that matter...My quest is for justice for the victim and helping those responsible to take permanent vacation at Florida State Prison. :jail:
When looking at a potential witness there credibility will certainly be examined through a microscope.

If Sr were a law abiding citizen with a stellar reputation and record...he would make a great defense witness. This is far from what we are looking at...The fact that he was arrested for manufacturing drugs while his son was the ONLY suspect in a woman's disappearance CANNOT bode well for the defense IMO.

JMO but if you took all the paperwork from ALL those Smith family arrests and court proceedings (Jr, Sr, and the rest of the immediate family)..you'd probably have enough paper to print a few copies of Atlas Shrugged...and that's one darn THICK book! Speaking of "thick"...those Smiths must be quite thick in the head to think they can get away with this...JMO

 

[Thor]

Points well taken...I too have NO personal interest in attacking Sr or even Jr for that matter...My quest is for justice for the victim and helping those responsible to take permanent vacation at Florida State Prison. :jail:
When looking at a potential witness there credibility will certainly be examined through a microscope.

If Sr were a law abiding citizen with a stellar reputation and record...he would make a great defense witness. This is far from what we are looking at...The fact that he was arrested for manufacturing drugs while his son was the ONLY suspect in a woman's disappearance CANNOT bode well for the defense IMO.

JMO but if you took all the paperwork from ALL those Smith family arrests and court proceedings (Jr, Sr, and the rest of the immediate family)..you'd probably have enough paper to print a few copies of Atlas Shrugged...and that's one darn THICK book! Speaking of thick those Smiths are quite thick in the head to think they can get away with this...JMO

Dunno Jazz, my opinions from now on will be confined to the facts or at least something reasonably resembling them (may be) It is to me clear that contentiously re-arguing the same theories that have absolutely no foundation to anything of substance, let alone the never ending personal attacks on this guy character or the other, as it is some sort of proof or this or that seems IMO self-defeating on its face. People will say what they will say and that's that. I even went as far as looking at the archived threads and most of them look just the same as this current one.

I was simply trying to interject something different then the usual "Dale did it" argument, not because I am trying to defend Dale, I don't know Dale and I don't work for him, but because, as I said before, I see no reason to limit oneself to one theory only especially when there are no real facts pointing to Dale's guilt. Others may disagree of course but I was speaking only for myself.

 

[Jazzmaster]

Dunno Jazz, my opinions from now on will be confined to the facts or at least something reasonably resembling them (may be) It is to me clear that contentiously re-arguing the same theories that have absolutely no foundation to anything of substance, let alone the never ending personal attacks on this guy character or the other, as it is some sort of proof or this or that seems IMO self-defeating on its face. People will say what the will say and that's that. I even went as far as looking at the archived threads and most of them look just the same as this current one.

I was simply trying to interject something different then the usual "Dale did it" argument, not because I am trying to defend Dale, I don't know Dale and I don't work for him, but because, as I said before, I see no reason to limit oneself to one theory only especially when there are no real facts pointing to Dale's guilt. Others may disagree of course but I was speaking only for myself.

I partially see your point...Not withstanding there have been MANY attempts to look at others and take our eyes off Dale...which as I have stated I believe would be without substance as those possibilities could go ANYWHERE and would involve WILD speculation. We have no facts or evidence to lead us in THAT direction so we could go off on a wild goose chase. I have chased far too many geese in my day. Instead...I choose to focus on the facts and circumstances that will lead us closer to the TRUTH.

It is like a magician as they try to distract you while they perform their little magic trickery. But if you focus on what they are really doing...you will see the magic is just an illusion. If we focus on someone other than Dale as I have already mentioned I believe it is a distraction and an injustice to the victim here...Michelle. She deserves better and IMHO to find the truth one needs to look no further than Dale. As an outsider who doesn't know ANY of the players in this case either...I just bring in my unbiased opinions and links when I find something of substance...

 

[SmoothOperator]

Ok I said,

"Ok now we have at least one person (Sr or the family) putting Dale at Sr. home at 4:30 pm, and the police with no evidence of the contrary since there is nothing on the record that refutes that particular account. "

ok I will change it to

"Ok IMO now we have at least one person (Sr or the family) putting Dale at Sr. home at 4:30 pm, and it is a fact the we don't know that the police have any evidence of the contrary since there is nothing on the record that refutes that particular account. "

Ok, I think that should do it.

But if it is FACTS that you are looking to state(as you said since the are so little FACTS to go around) ..THERE IS NO FACT INVOLVING SR. OR ANY OTHER FAMILY MEMBER HAVING MADE A STATEMENT OF BEARING WITNESS TO DALE JR ARRIVING AT ROSE BLVD AT 4:30PM.. the ONLY FACT regarding this issue is the fact that NeJame stated there to be a 72minute window of "opportunity " that ends at 4:30pm with SOMEONE(who yet still remains anonymous at this time)saying Dale was at dads...

The FACT is that NeJame made a statement of Fact locking dale into that 72 minute window of time with a generic source. .but it likely will not be until trial that we will be privy to if and/or who that source or possible witness may be. (And IMO yes, the day will come when Dale has his right to his day in court to defend himself on the murder charge..JMo) .while we may not be the most happiest of patient people..one thing is very certain that we are very patient in awaiting for the absolute and certain justice on Michelles behalf that WILL BE SWIFTLY AND FIRMLY SERVED ON DALE Jr's AZZ
AS ALWAYS jmo tho!

 

[telemag]

I'm betting this never goes to trial, at least not when it comes to Dale. After all this time there is not one single shred of evidence that we know of linking Dale to Michelle's disappearance.

 

[Thor]

But if it is FACTS that you are looking to state(as you said since the are so little FACTS to go around) ..THERE IS NO FACT INVOLVING SR. OR ANY OTHER FAMILY MEMBER HAVING MADE A STATEMENT OF BEARING WITNESS TO DALE JR ARRIVING AT ROSE BLVD AT 4:30PM.. the ONLY FACT regarding this issue is the fact that NeJame stated there to be a 72minute window of "opportunity " that ends at 4:30pm with SOMEONE(who yet still remains anonymous at this time)saying Dale was at dads...

The FACT is that NeJame made a statement of Fact locking dale into that 72 minute window of time with a generic source. .but it likely will not be until trial that we will be privy to if and/or who that source or possible witness may be. (And IMO yes, the day will come when Dale has his right to his day in court to defend himself on the murder charge..JMo) .while we may not be the most happiest of patient people..one thing is very certain that we are very patient in awaiting for the absolute and certain justice on Michelles behalf that WILL BE SWIFTLY AND FIRMLY SERVED ON DALE Jr's AZZ
AS ALWAYS jmo tho!

Please note that in my revised statement which you also quoted in your post (I think), the only thing that I have characterized as fact is that the police has not alleged that DS was not at Sr's house at 4:30 pm.

as per my post:

"ok I will change it to:

"Ok IMO now we have at least one person (Sr or the family) putting Dale at Sr. home at 4:30 pm, and it is a fact the we don't know that the police have any evidence of the contrary since there is nothing on the record that refutes that particular account. "

and in an another post I saidt:

":Furthermore having an opinion that the family confirms Dale being at Sr home at 4:30 pm is only so from a technical point of view, since one can more then reasonable infer that such a testimony does exist since it has been a crucial part of Dale's attorney theory of the now famous 72 mins defense. IMO"

 

[katydid23]

Just an attempt at being more specific on the window:
3:18 pm - MP seen on video in car in front of Dale's condo.
3:22 pm - MP parks, gets kids out of car, and enters Dales condo.
(something happens)
3:55 pm - Dale begins to pack up kids to go to parents house.
4:00 pm - Dale leaves towards parents house as he would need 30 minutes to get there
4:30 pm - Dale arrives at parents house as per witness.


As for the "something happens", if Dale did something, then everything would be likely to have occurred in this 33 minutes. If you were to believe Dale somewhat then Dale would have a relatively unexplained time between 3:32 pm and 3:55 pm, about 23 minutes.

The only way that Dale could have committed the crime, IMO, is that someone else was involved from the beginning at Dale's condo and that specific person is his mother, father, or both. I don't see Dale as the type of person to have such loyal friends that would cover up a dead body for him.

The extra person would allow him a much larger window obviously, and it could have been his mother driving Dale's car to her house with the kids.

I don't see him committing the crime, cleaning up, moving the H3 into the garage, etc. in less than 33 minutes. Not completely impossible, but difficult to see. And then you would have the situation with leaving incriminating evidence at his condo for at least an hour.

Great post. But I am going to say that imo, 33 minutes is a long time. I think it is quite possible to tie someone up and put them in a closet or a car trunk, and return in an hour to dispose of the problem.

 

[tiredblondy]

I'm betting this never goes to trial, at least not when it comes to Dale. After all this time there is not one single shred of evidence that we know of linking Dale to Michelle's disappearance.

I think being the last one to see her is at least one shred of evidence.

 

[telemag]

I think being the last one to see her is a least one shred of evidence.

and who was that?

 

[tiredblondy]

Great post. But I am going to say that imo, 33 minutes is a long time. I think it is quite possible to tie someone up and put them in a closet or a car trunk, and return in an hour to dispose of the problem.

I agree Katydid and especially when it's my opinion that he definitely had an accomplice if not two.

 

[tiredblondy]

and who was that?

Dale Jr. was the last one to see Michelle.

 

[telemag]

Dale Jr. was the last one to see Michelle.

Really? How do you know this?

 

[tiredblondy]

Really? How do you know this?

Because it was stated initially and if I remember correctly he stated that she told him she was going shopping.

I'm not going back and looking up links. If you go back to the first thread here on Michelle you'll find it.

 

[Thor]

Great post. But I am going to say that imo, 33 minutes is a long time. I think it is quite possible to tie someone up and put them in a closet or a car trunk, and return in an hour to dispose of the problem.

Then wouldn't the hummer remain parked for as long period a time as Dale leaves and comes back later?

Is there any eyewitness recollection of the Hummer being parked of Dale's condo for that duration something one needs to further that theory? Is not that an Hummer is not easily noticeable especially MP's Hummer, with the decals and all. IMO

 

[Jazzmaster]

Please note that in my revised statement which you also quoted in your post (I think), the only thing that I have characterized as fact is that the police has not alleged that DS was not at Sr's house at 4:30 pm.

as per my post:

"ok I will change it to:

"Ok IMO now we have at least one person (Sr or the family) putting Dale at Sr. home at 4:30 pm, and it is a fact the we don't know that the police have any evidence of the contrary since there is nothing on the record that refutes that particular account. "

and in an another post I saidt:

":Furthermore having an opinion that the family confirms Dale being at Sr home at 4:30 pm is only so from a technical point of view, since one can more then reasonable infer that such a testimony does exist since it has been a crucial part of Dale's attorney theory of the now famous 72 mins defense. IMO"

Now what is your best opinion of where Dale hid Michelle. Any guesses yet? Like good detectives we are hot on the trail...

 

[Jazzmaster]

Then wouldn't the hummer remain parked for as long period a time as Dale leaves and comes back later?

Is there any eyewitness recollection of the Hummer being parked of Dale's condo for that duration something one needs to further that theory? Is not that an Hummer is not easily noticeable especially MP's Hummer, with the decals and all. IMO

Well all he has to do is open up the garage and hide the hummer there until dark...I'd bet good money he moved her vehicle into the garage to store for a while UNLESS like you indicated before his parents or accomplice was there to immediately drive the vehicle away...

 

[tiredblondy]

Then wouldn't the hummer remain parked for as long period a time as Dale leaves and comes back later?

Is there any eyewitness recollection of the Hummer being parked of Dale's condo for that duration something one needs to further that theory? Is not that an Hummer is not easily noticeable especially MP's Hummer, with the decals and all. IMO

Not if it's pulled into the garage...Sometimes I feel like I'm helping the defense team here.