FL FL - Michelle Parker, 33, Orlando, 17 Nov 2011 - #21

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  • #681
IMO it will be easy to prove Dale was involved in her disappearance. Without seeing all the evidence we do NOT know what's behind door #2...With what we do know...I still believe the DA's office has enough for a conviction. Based on cell pings, Michelle's phone activities, Jr's activities on the days in question, FB activity with him and friends, and a host of other IMO admissible evidence...I believe the DA could get twelve peers to collectively form a guilty verdict.

The odds right now are probably not high enough that any DA that's in his or her right mind would feel confident to secure said conviction... That being said the burden of proof could be met IMO at this moment but why rush the process? If Dale is being tailed and kept in check by private and public eyes, he poses little immediate danger to the public. Why not sit back continue collecting evidence UNTIL you feel 99% sure you'll get said conviction? JMO

That is one theory. I am not fully getting the private and public eyes portion here, And are you saying the police think he poses little immediate danger which it meas it poses some danger however little? And therefore even though as you say "the burden of proof could be met IMO at this moment" they take the chance of someone being hurt and not arrest him?

Another theory says they got nothing of consequence on Dale and that is why they haven't charged him with any crime after almost 7 months into the investigation.

Ok, going back to your previous statement:

"... the burden of proof could be met IMO at this moment ..."

If you are talking "burden of proofs" then we are talking "evidences" not opinions. What evidence do you know that the police have at this moment that meets the burden of proof to convict DS at this time?
 
  • #682
I wish they were that close, for the sake of Michelle and her family and friends, but I believe the truth lies closer to what Detective Michael Bailey from the Pinellas County Sheriff's Office said less than 2 weeks ago, when he said they have very limited evidence.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_...-in-missing-fla-mom-investigation-police-say/

I think that too many people are hoping (nothing wrong with that) that LE is holding out on us with all this bombshell evidence that is going to convict Dale. I can't say that I know how LE works, but why even bother to ask the public for help if they don't really need it. I've been hearing for months that there is going to be an arrest and I hope not only is there an arrest but that the person who is responsible for Michelle's disappearance is convicted, but I personally don't see it happening with what they have now.
 
  • #683
That is one theory. I am not fully getting the private and public eyes portion here, And are you saying the police think he poses little immediate danger which it meas it poses some danger however little? And therefore even though as you say "the burden of proof could be met IMO at this moment" they take the chance or some one being hurt and not arrest him?

Another theory says they got nothing of consequence on Dale and that is why they haven't charged him with any crime after almost 7 months into the investigation.

Ok, going back to your previous statement:

"... the burden of proof could be met IMO at this moment ..."

If are talking "burden of proofs" then we are talking "evidences" not opinions. What evidence do you know that the police have at this moment that meets the burden of proof to convict DS at this time?

I'm not following what you are asking...Why I believe the burden of proof could be met? Is that what you're getting at? If you re-read my post i think I described some of the evidence I believe LE has...
 
  • #684
I'm not following what you are asking...Why I believe the burden of proof could be met? Is that what you're getting at?

Jazz is right below in black and white you just wrote it

"... the burden of proof could be met IMO at this moment ..."

so I am asking what evidence do you think the police have that "meet their burden of proof"?

or even

what evidence of any kind do you know that the police have that indicates Dale's guilt, never mind "meeting the burden of proof" as you put it?
 
  • #685
Jazz is right below in black and white you just wrote it

"... the burden of proof could be met IMO at this moment ..."

so I am asking what evidence do you think the police have that "meet their burden of proof"?

or even

what evidence of any kind do you know that the police have that indicates Dale's guilt, never mind "meeting the burden of proof" as you put it?

In order to meet the burden of proof for an arrest...LE needs probable cause. This would mean there's more evidence in favor of something than against it. To me there is clearly enough circumstantial evidence that we have gone over time and time again. With LE gathering info from phone records, online activity, statements from Dale and his parents, along with video footage, it is MOO that this burden could be met at the present time. Would the charges stand up in court is a completely different animal...kind of like Zam Wesell it could go in MANY directions.
 
  • #686
Where has hon3yb33 been? Any new opinions on the case? TIA
 
  • #687
To further my previous point on this issue, I don't think that convincing a jury that Michelle has been murdered with or without a body is a problem for the prosecution (assuming trial). I think most reasonable people would arrive to that unfortunate conclusion. I think the real problem for the DA's office is to prove that Dale did it (or for that matter someone else), especially if a body is not available that can possibly shed a light on time of death, cause of death, method of death and so on and when there might not be compelling forensic and/or circumstantial evidence to point to DS' guilty. Please note I said might not be, since we know of no such evidence and by the fact that they have brought no charges against Dale 6 months into the investigation (even longer by now). IMO
In No Body Cases(NBC) unfortunately justice does not come immediately or with a quickness(it is also one of the main reasons that i stated earlier that we are IN THIS FOR MICHELLE FOR THE LONG HAUL.. THE WHOLE 9YDS AND THEN SOME.. WE ARE IN FOR THE DURATION and most of us fully realize to what great lengths that it very very likely will be IF IT REMAINS THAT HER BODY IS NOT FOUND) ..many of us are very well versed and aware of the investigative details ..processes.. and length of time that it sadly takes to seek justice and ENSURE that it is served FIRMLY AND SWIFTLY when that day comes.. With disgust I readily admit that Dales justice is in fact NOT immediate SOLELY due to the fact that for once in his life he finally has thus far SUCCEEDED at SOMETHING! Tragically that SOMETHING IS in keeping this precious mother, daughter, sister, and friend, Michelle Loree Parker's precious body hidden, concealed, disposed of, or possibly even destroyed..

But be not mislead, or feel a false sense of security in that despicable deed being able to save his hide come the day that this department, these officers, detectives, and agents that have continued to stand very firm in their vow to Michelle's precious family and loved ones that they are ensuring that REGARDLESS OF DALE's despicable and selfish harm, pain, and continued anguish that he wreaks on this precious family in letting every hour of every single day pass by while holding the KEY to where Michelle's remains have been dehumanized even after death by throwing out as tho she were nothing more than that week's trash..

These men and women that are dedicated to Michelle, her precious children, her family and most of all PURE JUSTICE ON HER AND THEIR BEHALF are making certain that should fate have it that her earthly remains are not found That they proceed in this NO BODY CASE.. They are dotting every single "I", crossing every damn "t", and one by one solidly hammering each steel nail into what will be Dale Jr's "proverbial coffin".. And that is absolutely 100% WITHOUT HER REMAINS!!! These men and women IMO have taken this case on at a personal level of seeing to it that someone IS NOT REWARDED FOR DOING A BANG UP JOB OF MURDERING AND DISPOSING OF A HUMAN LIFE..They are going the distance.. The real distance.. Where as us here on the sidelines cheering our hearts out for Michelle and for those men and women who now are working every last detail of this NBC and bringing on home that long awaited justice down on the head of Dale Wayne Smith, JR for ever so much as harming a hair on this precious woman's head!!.

When the time finally arrives there will not only be you straight to jail, but there will be no deals on the table.. The only thing that will be afforded you is a sadly a mere modicum of the pain, anguish, and daily sorrow of what Michelle's family and friends were doled out by none other than you..

However They will wrap those babies in love, stability and ATLEAST a portion of the life they deserved and had stolen from them by their very own father.. You will spend the rest of your earthly years a convicted murderer, never to breathe the clean, free air that we do.. Jmo, tho!!

Be not mislead or somehow misinformed that Dale will not have that justice brought down on him by The LE officers, detectives, and DA of Orlando, Florida along with Florida bureau and Federal Bureau of investigators that have continued to play a very integral part of seeking Justice for our Michelle.. There not being a body is only unfortunately prolonging what many know is the inevitable end to this sad, sad "story".. If you doubt what I'm firmly stating as the future status of this case please, please do your own homework in looking into the successfully tried and convicted NO BODY CASES that these dedicated individuals are ensuring will NOT fail.. There is an entire plethora of very detailed information that literally will give you a play by play of what is going on behind the scenes in this case that IMO Are ensuring this innocent victim has the bitter sweet justice that is the very least of what she deserves..

All jmo..
 
  • #688
In order to meet the burden of proof for an arrest...LE needs probable cause. This would mean there's more evidence in favor of something than against it. To me there is clearly enough circumstantial evidence that we have gone over time and time again. With LE gathering info from phone records, online activity, statements from Dale and his parents, along with video footage, it is MOO that this burden could be met at the present time. Would the charges stand up in court is a completely different animal...kind of like Zam Wesell it could go in MANY directions.

Ok, in the contest of your sentence meeting burden of proof seemed to indicate you believed the the police had evidence to convict DS, since that term is usually used to indicate that a prosecution met their burden of proof and obtained a conviction. Ok, you meant "probable cause for an arrest".

Thank you for clarifying,

Still IMO I don's see anything in your post that could be used for an arrest let alone a prosecution and subsequent conviction. That is of course my opinion.
 
  • #689
Now based on some site locations...my friends and I....tonight over a bottle or two of fine wine...mapped out quite a few areas of interest based on locations IMO Dale hung out as a kid, places he's visited IMO based on his FB pictures, and IMO places that he may or may not have done cabinet installations, and places close to where an entertainment mogul may or may not frequent, and known cell pings....we narrowed it down to 10 hot spots....We are comparing places that have already been searched along with some of these hot spots. I still still am searching the sinkhole grid/locations in FL and want to see how these compare. Someone was going to get a list of all the 501st events in Orlando area over past few years...did you find these? TIA I have about a 30-50 mile radius of Rose Blvd mapped out.
 
  • #690
I wish they were that close, for the sake of Michelle and her family and friends, but I believe the truth lies closer to what Detective Michael Bailey from the Pinellas County Sheriff's Office said less than 2 weeks ago, when he said they have very limited evidence.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_...-in-missing-fla-mom-investigation-police-say/

Yeah, I don't think many here are disputing that police don't have enough evidence to arrest Dale with confidence of securing a conviction. Otherwise he'd be in a jail cell right now awaiting trial. But some posters keep insisting that because Dale hasn't been arrested, the police have NO evidence against him.

There is a big difference between "no evidence" and "not enough to arrest with confidence of securing a conviction".

From your link:
"They're looking for any way to move the case forward," Bailey told WKMG. "When you have very limited information orlimited evidence, it's a very good thing to do."

So, it's clear that they do have evidence, however limited. And because Dale Wayne Smith II remains the prime and only suspect in Michelle's disappearance, one can reasonably assume that the evidence points directly to him. Whether or not they'll eventually gather enough to arrest and try him remains to be seen. If Dale is indeed innocent of involvement in Michelle's disappearance (and that's a BIG "if", IMO), then I hope the new panel is able to quickly clear him and start looking for whomever is actually responsible.
 
  • #691
Now based on some site locations...my friends and I....tonight over a bottle or two of fine wine...mapped out quite a few areas of interest based on locations IMO Dale hung out as a kid, places he's visited IMO based on his FB pictures, and IMO places that he may or may not have done cabinet installations, and places close to where an entertainment mogul may or may not frequent, and known cell pings....we narrowed it down to 10 hot spots....We are comparing places that have already been searched along with some of these hot spots. I still still am searching the sinkhole grid/locations in FL and want to see how these compare. Someone was going to get a list of all the 501st events in Orlando area over past few years...did you find these? TIA I have about a 30-50 mile radius of Rose Blvd mapped out.

I think it is a great idea to try to figure out possible places where MP's body could have been buried and I wish I could help but I don't live in Florida, and I have a question, if one finds a reasonable spot on the map where MP might be buried, does one actually go and check that site personally?
 
  • #692
If Dale is indeed innocent of involvement in Michelle's disappearance (and that's a BIG "if", IMO), then I hope the new panel is able to quickly clear him and start looking for whomever is actually responsible.

From what I've gathered IMO it seems EVERY time LE is asked in one way shape or form if they have any possibilities that it COULD be someone OTHER than Dale...to me it appears via the responses...they are 100% confident Dale was involved and there's a 0% chance it could be someone else...That's just the impression I get. To confirm this...they've had what at least 4 or 5 dozen professionals pour over what they HAVE gathered and are STILL confident they have the RIGHT suspect...That tells me all I need to know. JMO
 
  • #693
Yeah, I don't think many here are disputing that police don't have enough evidence to arrest Dale with confidence of securing a conviction. Otherwise he'd be in a jail cell right now awaiting trial. But some posters keep insisting that because Dale hasn't been arrested, the police have NO evidence against him.

There is a big difference between "no evidence" and "not enough to arrest with confidence of securing a conviction".

From your link:


So, it's clear that they do have evidence, however limited. And because Dale Wayne Smith II remains the prime and only suspect in Michelle's disappearance, one can reasonably assume that the evidence points directly to him. Whether or not they'll eventually gather enough to arrest and try him remains to be seen. If Dale is indeed innocent of involvement in Michelle's disappearance (and that's a BIG "if", IMO), then I hope the new panel is able to quickly clear him and start looking for whomever is actually responsible.

I think some posters here (including me) are saying that we don't know the police have any evidence, which is different that knowing they do not. IMO


"So, it's clear that they do have evidence, however limited. And because Dale Wayne Smith II remains the prime and only suspect in Michelle's disappearance, one can reasonably assume that the evidence points directly to him."

IMO not necessarily, Ds might have made the perfect suspect simply because he had motive, arguably opportunity, he was the last known person to have seen MO, he has a criminal record, history of violence and so on.
Whether they have evidences or not, and if they do of what importance that is not known. One can speculate on both sizes of that equation.
 
  • #694
From what I've gathered IMO it seems EVERY time LE is asked in one way shape or form if they have any possibilities that it COULD be someone OTHER than Dale...to me it appears via the responses...they are 100% confident Dale was involved and there's a 0% chance it could be someone else...That's just the impression I get. To confirm this...they've had what at least 4 or 5 dozen professionals pour over what they HAVE gathered and are STILL confident they have the RIGHT suspect...That tells me all I need to know. JMO

Which statement by the police make you think "to me it appears via the responses...they are 100% confident Dale was involved and there's a 0% chance it could be someone else..." I am relatively new to the case, but the only statement the police have repeated is that they consider DS to be the prime or only suspect, that I know of, are there other statements by the police regarding DS? It is very possible I simply don't know enough on this very issue.
 
  • #695
I think some posters here (including me) are saying that we don't know the police have any evidence, which is different that knowing they do not. IMO


"So, it's clear that they do have evidence, however limited. And because Dale Wayne Smith II remains the prime and only suspect in Michelle's disappearance, one can reasonably assume that the evidence points directly to him."

IMO not necessarily, Ds might have made the perfect suspect simply because he had motive, arguably opportunity, he was the last known person to have seen MO, he has a criminal record, history of violence and so on.
Whether they have evidences or not, and if they do of what importance that is not known. One can speculate on both sizes of that equation.

The reason you don't know is because LE hasn't released anything. Not even Dale's attorney knows what evidence they have, because they have no obligation to disclose it at this time. But they do have evidence, albeit limited, according to the detective on the smart panel.

And I don't believe it's reasonable to assume that OPD named him prime suspect based only on the factors you listed. I might buy that if they had merely named him a "person of interest", but they skipped right past the POI designation and flat out named him "prime suspect". And they still have not publicly backed down from that term. (And that is not my opinion, that's fact).
 
  • #696
The reason you don't know is because LE hasn't released anything. Not even Dale's attorney knows what evidence they have, because they have no obligation to disclose it at this time. But they do have evidence, albeit limited, according to the detective on the smart panel.

And I don't believe it's reasonable to assume that OPD named him prime suspect based only on the factors you listed. I might buy that if they had merely named him a "person of interest", but they skipped right past the POI designation and flat out named him "prime suspect". And they still have not publicly backed down from that term. (And that is not my opinion, that's fact).

I did not list any factors that I am aware of, I was only asking what statements or responses by the police make you think "... appears via the responses...they are 100% confident Dale was involved and there's a 0% chance it could be someone else..."
That's all I asked.
 
  • #697
I did not list any factors that I am aware of, I was only asking what statements or responses by the police make you think "... appears via the responses...they are 100% confident Dale was involved and there's a 0% chance it could be someone else..."
That's all I asked.

I didn't say that. I think you might be responding to the wrong post.
 
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The reason you don't know is because LE hasn't released anything. Not even Dale's attorney knows what evidence they have, because they have no obligation to disclose it at this time. But they do have evidence, albeit limited, according to the detective on the smart panel.

And I don't believe it's reasonable to assume that OPD named him prime suspect based only on the factors you listed. I might buy that if they had merely named him a "person of interest", but they skipped right past the POI designation and flat out named him "prime suspect". And they still have not publicly backed down from that term. (And that is not my opinion, that's fact).

IMO I never said said it reasonable to assume ..... I very rarely use that expression, since reasonable mean different things to different people. However IMO i still think they might have jumped the gun at the beginning by naming Dale as a suspect based on those factors alone. I could be wrong though. I am not sure myself really, is it reasonable? well ...
 
  • #700
RE: Little bit pregnant

Dale is guilty IMO and he can't be a little bit guilty. He either is or he isn't. I believe he is! It's kind of like a pregnancy...you either are or you aren't...It's an expression we use here in America. Now I bet Dale wishes he could go back in time and change some of what took place...Kind of like Boris the Animal.

Good morning everyone!

I'm reading back to catch up on what I've missed (I should probably start waaay back), and saw this. I understand your analogy, Jazz, but I also see Thor's point. Something to think about is this: When my husband & I were trying to have a baby, we suffered 2 false positives. So re your little bit pregnant analogy, it could in all honesty be a false positive...which coincidentally would be proving a negative lmao... :floorlaugh: :floorlaugh: :floorlaugh: :floorlaugh: :floorlaugh:
 
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