FL FL - Michelle Parker, 33, Orlando, 17 Nov 2011 - #21

[TorisMom003]

So does he have an accomplice or not? It opens up MANY more possibilities to Michelle's wherabouts if he has one and IMO limits them if he is flying Han Solo...

Well he had to tell his parents something about why he needed to leave the twins with them. If they would be honest about that day/evening then I think that Michelle would be found rather soon. Even if Dale did his thing solo, those closest to him would know something because of his behavior even if they don't want to admit it.

MOO

 

[katydid23]

Ok then I assumed wrong and you believe it might be reasonable for Dale to remove the decals at the condo, If that is the case I guess I will agree to disagree.

I said that DALE believed it was reasonable to remove the decals at that time. Never said I thought it was a smart thing to do. But either way was a potential bad decision. If he left them on, he might have attracted attention when he drove away. But by taking them off, he looks mighty suspicious now.

 

[TorisMom003]

I said that DALE believed it was reasonable to remove the decals at that time. Never said I thought it was a smart thing to do. But either way was a potential bad decision. If he left them on, he might have attracted attention when he drove away. But by taking them off, he looks mighty suspicious now.

He has shown that he does not think about long term things, such as how something is going to look that he does. For Michelle to go missing on the same day that the People's Court episode aired points the finger at him, although I'm sure he wouldn't agree with that. Michelle going missing right after dropping the twins off at his house again points directly at him, and I'm sure he would disagree with that as well. Shoving a reporter/camera man on the way into the courthouse to see about keeping custody of the twins.......really poor judgement call there. Dale is apparently the type that thinks the world revolves around what he wants and when he wants it. That type of behavior is learned, usually from the same sex parent that they grew up with. I would wager that Dale Sr also has had plenty of issues with hitting women in his past as well.

MOO

 

[katydid23]

I think there is plenty of unaccounted time for Dale's whereabouts at the time of Michelle disappearance where one can theorize opportunity. His absence from the scene in the crucial time of her disappearance bothers me quite a bit, especially his leaving the kids with the grandparents, (to go where? To do what?) and that keeps rolling in my mind constantly, however the frustration with me is finding the missing pieces that only evidence can provide. In sum, for me the real riddle is where is Michelle and where is Dale anytime after 3:40 pm?

I have no problem imagining Dale's mom happily taking the twins that day. She probably did that quite regularly on weekday afternoons. Dale had a job and I bet he often had his mom take the kids while he went back to the shop. We know he had a job that next morning to go to. So he may have gone to his shop to get ready for that job. That is the perfect thing to tell his parents if he wanted to get away quickly without the twins.

I think Michelle may have been bound and gagged in the back of his work truck when he dropped the kids off at grandpa's house.

 

[Thor]

So does he have an accomplice or not? It opens up MANY more possibilities to Michelle's wherabouts if he has one and IMO limits them if he is flying Han Solo...

Since I cannot see this as premeditated if the perp is in fact Dale then I find it unlikely the involvement of accomplices except for Dale Sr, who might have had a paternal drive to help the son. However in this case we would have to go into wild speculations which I would not be comfortable with unless you have some plausible scenario with specific timelines.

 

[Skully]

I am working on something and I found that Michelle is not listed on some of the missing person sites.

She is not on the Charley Project site and not on the NAMP site.

 

[GrammaMaybe]

I think Michelle may have been bound and gagged in the back of his work truck when he dropped the kids off at grandpa's house.

Interesting idea; certainly extends the potential search area. What is your hunch where she might be?

 

[katydid23]

Interesting idea; certainly extends the potential search area. What is your hunch where she might be?

I have such a hard time trying to narrow it down. Imo, he had several hours to dispose of her and the evidence. He was not home when Yvonne called him the first time. His mother answered and said she would give him the message. And he had access to a boat.

My first instinct is that he placed her where the gators were hungriest.

 

[Jazzmaster]

Since I cannot see this as premeditated if the perp is in fact Dale then I find it unlikely the involvement of accomplices except for Dale Sr, who might have had a paternal drive to help the son. However in this case we would have to go into wild speculations which I would not be comfortable with unless you have some plausible scenario with specific timelines.

So if Sr was watching PC with Dale and was there when Michelle arrived...it would make it VERY plausible. Jr takes care of Michelle and then takes the twinners to Rose for mom to take care of...Dale could leave his phone and vehicle there and use one of Sr's vehicles or Sr could have followed Dale to Rose in his vehicle...the two takeoff from there. Does that make sense?

 

[Sparky]

I am working on something and I found that Michelle is not listed on some of the missing person sites.

She is not on the Charley Project site and not on the NAMP site.

Maybe she's not listed because....the family doesn't know about these sites and there is certain criteria to be met, so IMO unless they know about them then she wouldn't be on there.

Michelle's case is now 7 mos old.

Charley Project....Every case must be at least six months old -- that is, the person must have disappeared at least six months prior to posting. It is acceptable if a person's disappearance was reported less than six months ago, as long as they vanished before the six-month limit.

http://www.charleyproject.org/criteria.html


And if it is a "Hot Case" for it to be submitted to the NAMP site

"Hot Cases" submissions will be accepted from Law Enforcement or family members of the missing person only.


http://www.nampn.org/submit.html


jmo

 

[nursebeeme]

I said that DALE believed it was reasonable to remove the decals at that time. Never said I thought it was a smart thing to do. But either way was a potential bad decision. If he left them on, he might have attracted attention when he drove away. But by taking them off, he looks mighty suspicious now.

just my thoughts on the whole decal thing but I think that if he removed them it was out of spite because he thought the car was his

:moo::twocents::moo:

 

[Sparky]

I just realized yesterday is the first time Brad Parker has spent a Father's Day without Michelle. Yesterday also marked 7 mos she went missing. It's so sad he doesn't know where his first born child is.

jmo

 

[Jazzmaster]

Maybe she's not listed because....the family doesn't know about these sites and there is certain criteria to be met, so IMO unless they know about them then she wouldn't be on there.

Michelle's case is now 7 mos old.

Charley Project....Every case must be at least six months old -- that is, the person must have disappeared at least six months prior to posting. It is acceptable if a person's disappearance was reported less than six months ago, as long as they vanished before the six-month limit.

http://www.charleyproject.org/criteria.html


And if it is a "Hot Case" for it to be submitted to the NAMP site

"Hot Cases" submissions will be accepted from Law Enforcement or family members of the missing person only.


http://www.nampn.org/submit.html


jmo

MAYBE a list should be made and sent to the family to get Michelle on those websites, since maybe their grief has taken a toll on them. I know how hard it is to lose a daughter...IMO you feel emotionally numb and like you are stuck in a nightmare...no answers...SO MORE questions and knowing the person responsible has your grandchildren...I can only imagine the scars 7 months later!

 

[Jazzmaster]

I just realized yesterday is the first time Brad Parker has spent a Father's Day without Michelle. Yesterday also marked 7 mos she went missing. It's so sad he doesn't know where his first born child is.

jmo

I can only imagine what a somber Father's Day for BP. All he has left are the pictures and memories of his baby. I'm tearing up just thinking about it. I pray for his comfort and answers soon!

 

[southern_comfort]

just my thoughts on the whole decal thing but I think that if he removed them it was out of spite because he thought the car was his

:moo::twocents::moo:

The Hummer is Dale's, no?

ETA: I say "is" because I have no idea where it is, whether it was repo'd, paid off, sold, is still in police custody, etc.

 

[Thor]

So if Sr was watching PC with Dale and was there when Michelle arrived...it would make it VERY plausible. Jr takes care of Michelle and then takes the twinners to Rose for mom to take care of...Dale could leave his phone and vehicle there and use one of Sr's vehicles or Sr could have followed Dale to Rose in his vehicle...the two takeoff from there. Does that make sense?

A lot can potentially make sense or be plausible in a vacuum and especially when one is not necessarily bound by evidence, that scenario is not plausible to me because I can't see it happening at that time, at that place and under those circumstances. In your instance we have the kids there or in the vicinity, we have Sr there, Dale of course, an altercation ensues, an act of violence of the magnitude that causes death? But no one hears anything The kids not aware of anything out of ordinary (presumably), no witnesses of Sr arriving at the condo? In broad day light, at a time when lots of people where coming and going? Is it plausible? I don't think so but then again it might have happened just like that nevertheless, Yes.

 

[Evanesco]

just my thoughts on the whole decal thing but I think that if he removed them it was out of spite because he thought the car was his

:moo::twocents::moo:

this is what I think too! I think part of the reason he took them off was because he was pissed she started her tanning business instead of paying off the ring he felt that was owed to him. But that's just my opinion...

 

[Spice]

I'm biased. I grew up in a house where my mother was abused, far worse than in this thread, & she stayed bc she had cancer & divorce wasn't an option back then (actually it could have been but religiously not a good idea). I endured pure hell - that is a first hand perspective as a child that grew up in such a situation. Once my mother died, I became rebellious, depressed - that was when I was 9. 12 I started running away. From a first hand perspective, and learning the laws in court, both parents are responsible.

I definitely see what you're saying, as it's hard to do so, but it's also the responsibility to one's children based on love & protection that should drive a parent to just walk away in such a situation. I do understand it can't be an easy thing to do. It sucks.

The way I read the reports was that bc Michelle moved back, no protection order or order to stay away was granted. Instead, it was dismissed.

I'm sorry to hear that you went through all of that Jersey.

Michelle filed for a restraining order against Dale which shows she had a reasonable amount of fear of him.

Unfortunately, judges deny the protective orders that women seek all of the time, and sometimes, they end up dead by the very hands that they went to the court asking for protection from.

Dale threatened her life, verbally, emotionally, and physically abused her. And those are just the incidents that were documented and officially reported. I think she had a healthy fear of Dale. If not, why the restraining order? She knew him better than the judge or any of us. Thats for sure.

 

[Jazzmaster]

I think there is plenty of unaccounted time for Dale's whereabouts at the time of Michelle disappearance where one can theorize opportunity. His absence from the scene in the crucial time of her disappearance bothers me quite a bit, especially his leaving the kids with the grandparents, (to go where? To do what?) and that keeps rolling in my mind constantly, however the frustration with me is finding the missing pieces that only evidence can provide. In sum, for me the real riddle is where is Michelle and where is Dale anytime after 3:40 pm?

I think it was more like a Nine Inch Nails kind of riddle...Mr. Self Destruct possibly?

 

[Thor]

IMO there is no obvious reasons for Dale to remove the decals at the condo, either in the driveway or in the garage, Michelle has been at the condo dropping the kids off presumably many times before (not 100% sure here), and an H3 is something people don't just notice but usually stare at, and decals are there for the simple reason they attract attention. Dale could not count at all that the hammer would not be spotted arriving by a neighbor already familiar with such a vehicle at such a location, nor could it count on the same neighbor not noticing the obvious absence of the decals at departure, a piece of evidence he might have no way to explain when confronted by the police.

IMO The remover of the decals here are consistent with everything else we know about the perp: a methodical person who makes reasonable cost-benefit analysis and acts accordingly. Here, at least in one theory, he needs to drive as far away as possible from the point of abduction but with a vehicle that is very noticeable and with large decals, one instinct might very well dictate the immediate removal of the decals, but that would only decrease to a degree the risk of a more precise identification of the vehicle as belonging to MP, but then again so would the license plates themselves, conversely he could simply step out from the relative safety of the interior of the H3 provided by tinted glasses and take a chance on being identified, again the cost-benefit analysis here are clear to the perp, he will continue on driving to his destination where the decals will be among everything else he can safely dispose of.