FL FL - Michelle Parker, 33, Orlando, 17 Nov 2011 - #21

[Jazzmaster]

So the same people you suspect of helping to kill and/or hide Michelle's body, you also suspect of leading investigators to her phone? (Just trying to make sense of it all).

Most definitely! I can't rule out that a LDT was not used on Dale's parents nor what types of records may have been subpoenaed. Phone records etc could VERY easily have led LE to the spot where the phone was found. Just one possibility. I have several others that I will keep close to me for now....
But I find it incredibly coincidental that LE was looking for the phone for weeks, then investigators interview the parents and poof they find the phone...I will leave it at that for now!

 

[vibert]

I disagree 100% They shook the tree and found Michelle's phone within 48 hours of the subpoena. That's success in my book!

yes, some people speculated that the mom talked during the questioning because they did find the phone fairly close. You can think they shook the tree all you want, but if one of the parents talked someone would've been charged already. Odds are they found it because of the gps in the phone and a little luck.

 

[SmoothOperator]

IMO One would think that having killed her, he was by now plenty satisfied so as to not need to further attack her on FB. Besides email or no email an FB account creation and all activities conducted therein can easily be traced by IP address, a fact commonly known to most people and presumably also to Dale.

Yea one would think.. but the point here is the ONE we are talking about is specifically Dale and quite obviously Dale has A VERY real history of not being able to control himself.(his slamming into the photog just one of hundreds)..seriously the man cannot and its the exact reason why none of the hypothetical being stated apply to this ONE. .HE PLAIN AND SIMPLE HAS VERY REAL ISSUES WITH IMPULSE CONTROL.. COMBINED WITH VIOLENT BEHAVIORS AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHY MICHELLE IS DEAD.. you can debate it til your blue in the face all you'd like the bottom line remains the same. .Dale is responsible for Michelle's murder. .he won't get away with it forever and when all of the evidence proves such there will still be PRO-Dale's claiming his innocence..

 

[Jazzmaster]

On another note...it's quite humous to look back at some of Dale's old posts via his Jedi trading and star wars posting forums....(jediscout2871 and Tristan458 usernames)> IMO he likes to embellish the truth and you get to know a LOT about how he thinks and IMO misleads people. He is the con of cons...Maybe they named the "MegaCon" after him?

 

[Jazzmaster]

Yea one would think.. but the point here is the ONE we are talking about is specifically Dale and quite obviously Dale has A VERY real history of not being able to control himself.(his slamming into the photog just one of hundreds)..seriously the man cannot and its the exact reason why none of the hypothetical being stated apply to this ONE. .HE PLAIN AND SIMPLE HAS VERY REAL ISSUES WITH IMPULSE CONTROL.. COMBINED WITH VIOLENT BEHAVIORS AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHY MICHELLE IS DEAD.. you can debate it til your blue in the face all you'd like the bottom line remains the same. .Dale is responsible for Michelle's murder. .he won't get away with it forever and when all of the evidence proves such there will still be PRO-Dale's claiming his innocence..

Right on...Agree 100%! But after Dale is arrested and charged then we can hear more conspiracy theories and learn who framed Dale (still the stalker at the bar?) and who planted the evidence (the cops who framed OJ?)...

Dale has been lucky that the one piece of evidence he hid has not been found...He is worried though IMO otherwise we wouldn't see him reading here daily or having others do his dirty work...pattern there too? ALL JMO

 

[Jazzmaster]

yes, some people speculated that the mom talked during the questioning because they did find the phone fairly close. You can think they shook the tree all you want, but if one of the parents talked someone would've been charged already. Odds are they found it because of the gps in the phone and a little luck.

I disagree that someone would have been charged if LE really did gather info from the parents... We don't know much about what took place in that meeting. We can speculate on how much the parents know and what was told to LE. I highly doubt any helpful info was given directly to LE, but the interview and other data gathered during the subpoena produced fruit IMO because here's what we do know...the phone WAS found within 48 hours after the interview and they had WEEKS and WEEKS prior to use GPS and every other tracking imaginable. In life...timing is everything!

 

[southern_comfort]

Right on...Agree 100%! But after Dale is arrested and charged then we can hear more conspiracy theories and learn who framed Dale (still the stalker at the bar?) and who planted the evidence (the cops who framed OJ?)...

Dale has been lucky that the one piece of evidence he hid has not been found...He is worried though IMO otherwise we wouldn't see him reading here daily or having others do his dirty work...pattern there too? ALL JMO

How do you know he reads here daily, and what do you mean by "having others do his dirty work"?

 

[telemag]

I guess you avoid the poly when you know you'd fail... Dale do you know where Michelle is right now? fail. Did you have anything to do with her disappearance? fail. Did you kill her? fail. IMO he'd fail these 3 questions and many many more because he's hiding the truth and refusing to man up. Dale where is she? Stop playing games!

So lets pretend that Dale took a PG and failed miserabley so what. Nothing they could do anyway and wouldn't make him more of a prime suspect.

 

[What'sThatClue]

So lets pretend that Dale took a PG and failed miserabley so what. Nothing they could do anyway and wouldn't make him more of a prime suspect.

IIRC, there's not one thing that even remotely suggests Dale took a LDT, so why "pretend" that he did and failed? JMO, doing so would do nothing to help sleuth the facts in the case or help find Michelle. Sorry, I won't go there until and if he really does eventually take and fail an LDT. JMO

 

[What'sThatClue]

Most definitely! I can't rule out that a LDT was not used on Dale's parents nor what types of records may have been subpoenaed. Phone records etc could VERY easily have led LE to the spot where the phone was found. Just one possibility. I have several others that I will keep close to me for now....
But I find it incredibly coincidental that LE was looking for the phone for weeks, then investigators interview the parents and poof they find the phone...I will leave it at that for now!

TY. I found it quite coincidental too....bring parents in....bada bing bada boom...phone recovered. Jmo. I also think LE pulled a lot more off that phone than they'll ever release until the trial. Moo.

 

[telemag]

IIRC, there's not one thing that even remotely suggests Dale took a LDT, so why "pretend" that he did and failed? JMO, doing so would do nothing to help sleuth the facts in the case or help find Michelle. Sorry, I won't go there until and if he really does eventually take and fail an LDT. JMO

Because its brought up here many time per day by certain people who think that just because he didn't take one that he is guilty. So my point is if he failed doesn't matter. Why even bring the issue up in the first place it's not even admissible in court.

 

[What'sThatClue]

How do you know he reads here daily, and what do you mean by "having others do his dirty work"?

The post quoted was all JMO so I'm assuming the poster was posting his own thoughts. Suffice it to say that I myself wonder the same things as the poster and my beliefs on the subject are all jmo too.

 

[What'sThatClue]

Because its brought up here many time per day by certain people who think that just because he didn't take one that he is guilty. So my point is if he failed doesn't matter. Why even bring the issue up in the first place it's not even admissible in court.

Jmo, there's a real difference in discussing our opinions on the why's and wherefores of the fact that he refused the LDT and "pretending" that he took one and failed, which would add nothing to this case because it is not the truth and might even be a violation of TOS. Jmo, moo, IMO.

Sorry, my last post on the subject because it adds nothing to the discussion either. Jmo, moo. If you have questions, tho, it's always best to ask a mod whether something like that can be discussed.

Thanks.

 

[Jazzmaster]

Right now our focus is on the "magician"who created this circus because he made Michelle disappear. <modsnip> Though he may treat the truth like a joke....the reality is in one selfish moment he altered the course of MANY MANY lives. YS and BP who lost their daughter and hardly ever see the grand kids. "A"who dearly misses his younger brother and sister. The three children who grow up without one of the most important people in their life...their mom! All the friends and family who ache with pain and never had a chance to say goodbye but seek answers....Of couse Michelle whose life was most likely ended at a time when she was needed the most by her children!

I could go on and on about the incrediblly negative impact Dale's actions caused. But to some it don't matter. Let's take the focus off of Dale because he couldn't have done it or we have no proof he did it...MOO this is a disservice to Michelle because IMO she lost her life to a man she once loved, who fathered two of her children, who despite him beating and stranding her on several occasions tried to keep it together for the twinners. He threatened to kill her. He threatened to kidnap the children. He abused and abused and she still loved him despite ALL of his shortcomings. But her greatest mistake was that she underestimated him for just a moment. She knew he was a poisonous snake...deadly with just one bite...but she let her guard down for a second and paid the price on his promise to kill her. How fragile life can be! For many life will never be the same because of the selfish evil acts of Dale the "magician"...This is all JMO!

When Dale is found guilty of murdering Michelle the crowd will go wild! Justice will prevail! MOO

 

[southern_comfort]

The post quoted was all JMO so I'm assuming the poster was posting his own thoughts. Suffice it to say that I myself wonder the same things as the poster and my beliefs on the subject are all jmo too.

Surely the poster is capable of clarifying his or her own thoughts?

I'll ask again:

Jazzmaster: How do you know Dale reads here daily, and what do you mean by "having others do his dirty work"? TIA!

 

[Jersey*Girl]

Dale was a cabinet maker. Because of his profession, he had access to many large containers. As well as large empty cabinets and large barrels. My uncle was a cabinet maker. He had huge shipping containers at his work site.

And, imo, marines are taught various ways to knock people out of commission. I don't think Michelle, a petite 5 ft 1, was going to put up much of a fight, especially if she was blindsided. If he put something around her neck from behind and pulled it tight, there was very little she could do. And if they were in the garage, there would be no forensics to worry about. There would be no screaming if she strangled her from behind. And there would be no scrapes or bruises on him either. And it wouldn't matter if she was bruised.

In my opinion, Dale could have very easily rendered Michelle unconscious, with very little noise or muss or fuss. And he could have easily placed her in a large cabinet or box or barrel, and set her aside, until he could dispose of her.

Re my bold...

Michelle isn't petite. She's 5'6".

 

[Jersey*Girl]

No matter what Dale does it will be wrong.

If he searches, and finds her people will say he knew where she was and wanted her found, if he searches and they don't find her, they will say he searched knowing the areas being searched were not where he put her.

If he takes a LDT and passes, he was lucky.
If he fails and it was a true false positive, he is screwed but now he is guilty in the public eye. There are many cases of people failing and being innocent.

If he says anything about anything it is picked apart and and that is why his attorney and all attorneys tell you not to talk to anyone. But that is a sign of guilt for most people, but if you are paying a lawyer for advise, I say take it or your you are throwing your money away. JMO

I am sorry that Michelle is missing, but IMO, they need to look at some other people to find her.

Re my bold...

A person with a criminal past should NEVER take a poly. Period. The guilt in knowing they have a criminal past, paired with questions regarding feelings, then paired with new questions pertaining to the suspected crime at hand could get a reaction. Investigators know this & use this tactic. It's one of the reasons defense attorneys don't like their clients to take polys.

Also, it's an absolute farce when people suggest that a polygraph can "clear" a person. A poly could never do that. It's a ploy that law enforcement uses to get their suspects to answer questions so they may further their investigation. A poly is strictly an investigative tool - that's it.

If le asked Dale to take a poly right after Michelle went missing, then I'd question why he didn't want to "rule" himself out & clear himself of involvement, but he has a criminal past so he'd automatically be at the top of their suspect list. Then top it off with le searching his condo the night Michelle disappeared...well quite frankly they asked to poly him after that so in all seriousness they'd know how to word their questions so they could get the answers they're looking for - so again any lawyer would advise Dale to absolutely not be polygraphs in his situation.

When a case goes high profile, police are under public scrutiny to solve it. That's when focus becomes cloudy & hasty decisions can be made - hence how innocent people can be incarcerated for crimes they didn't commit.

 

[Jersey*Girl]

Some thing else that bothers me is the phone should have been the first thing to get rid of, if you are trying to hid your tracks. So we have this ping at 4:26 and text on Hoffner, I am assuming that the phone and the hummer are together, traveling West, in the direction the hummer was found. But the person abandons the hummer, yet takes the risk of keeping the phone until 8:08 and it is toss East of where the car is found heading over Neval bridge maybe. The woman see the car at around 10:30 so the car could have been there before 8:08 maybe as early as 5:15 or 5:30 pm that day, if the person continued from Hoffner to the Mall. So why would you risk hanging onto that phone? I wonder if they can tell if information was downloaded from that phone to another phone? I am just thinking again and you know where that leads, LOL.

I wonder if the phone was tossed before the H3 was parked. Either that, or the phone was in another vehicle when tossed over the Nela. Otherwise police would have a trace to the vicinity where her H3 was parked based on the cell's internal gps activity. I was of the mindset that maybe the perp accidentally noticed the cell left behind & tossed it when it became noticed, but if that's the case then le would know where the phone was beforehand and followed the trail, therefore finding the cell sooner. Man I just confused myself.

Also, just bc the cell was tossed in the water doesn't mean it died right away.

 

[Jersey*Girl]

Still catching up but have to run again. Good morning everyone. Hoping today is the day Michelle is found.

 

[Kamille]

There's been a lot of discussion about lie detector tests and their reliability and whether someone should take one. The tests themselves are not admissible in court and the whole idea of them, in my opinion, is to gauge a person's reaction to just being asked to take one. It’s an investigative tool that is used to help get to the truth early on in an investigation if possible. If LE have proof that there have been inconsistencies in a witness statement and then that witness cannot or will not work with them to figure out why those inconsistencies are coming to light then that is a huge red flag to them. So when they ask someone to take a lie detector test, they are initially gauging the person's reaction to the fact that LE finds them less than truthful. And pretty much giving them the chance to “come clean” and explain what may have happened.

The actual results may or may not be used to further the case, and as we are all aware are not completely reliable, pass or fail, but the initial reaction of the witness to the suggestion helps with the investigation IMO. Common sense, once again, would indicate that an innocent person would be doing everything they can to clear their name and would jump at the chance to take a lie detector to help do so. Common sense also tells us that when someone decides right then and there to stop co-operating when confronted with inconsistencies in their story, refuses to take a lie detector and gets a lawyer to shield them from any further interrogation, then they must have something to hide. And just because they have a lawyer is no reason to stop co-operating. They have every right to continue to work with LE with their lawyer right by their side if they feel that LE is unfairly pointing fingers at them. DSJr did not do this. And MN is a very qualified lawyer and would have been more than willing to do this if DSJr had wanted to work to clear his name. The lawyer works for you and a good one would encourage their client to work and speak with LE if their client were shouting his innocence from the rooftops. From what I understand, DSJr lost his job due to being named a suspect. And I'm sure his life is not easy at the moment, financially, emotionally and socially, because of the popular public opinion that he's responsible for the disappearance and most likely death of Michelle. Why would a good lawyer want to put their client through that unnecessarily? Why would someone think it’s a good idea to put themselves through that unnecessarily?


LE are not usually so fortunate to have a crime on videotape, therefore basically solving itself. Nor do they usually have a direct witness or witnesses to a crime, who are not involved, come forward to tell them what happened, unless the crime was committed in a very public place. And even then they would still have to collect evidence to corroborate that witness testimony. So that is when the real police work begins and evidence has to be collected slowly and methodically. Most of it will be circumstantial because most perpetrators try to cover their crimes and some are quite good at it, especially now with the new crime shows on television and the high profile cases that are played out in the media and on the internet. Cases are tried on circumstantial evidence alone when the evidence puts together a logical picture of what likely occurred. Sometimes there are missing pieces to that logical picture and therefore the most likely suspect is not arrested until those pieces are found. Sometimes it takes months or years, and sometimes it never happens. But in the meantime that person is, and will always be, the prime suspect in the disappearance and likely murder of a missing individual. Not something I'd want hanging over my head just because I decided to be stubborn and stop co-operating with LE. But something that I'd have no choice about I suppose if I was guilty and could not explain away the evidence they had against me.

MOO