FL FL - Michelle Parker, 33, Orlando, 17 Nov 2011 - #21

[Thor]

Lots of thoughts after seeing these pics, but only a couple of comments. First it seems that at least at one time Dale and Michelle were very much in love. Also if I were on the jury I would have a very easy time believing that more than one guy could have become obsessed with Michelle and kidnapped her.

I agree, IMO there are quite a few scenarios that might be possible in the disappearance of MP although DS killing her remains a distinct possibility, and a statistical likelihood, however it does seem unlikely based on what we know so far that is on the public record. IMO

 

[telemag]

I agree, IMO there are quite a few scenarios that might be possible in the disappearance of MP although DS killing her remains a distinct possibility, and a statistical likelihood, however it does seem unlikely based on what we know so far that is on the public record. IMO

That's pretty much it in a nutshell. Michelle wasn't your typical stay at home Mom, she was very social and was around a lot of people some of whom I would imagine found her very attractive.

 

[Thor]

That's pretty much it in a nutshell. Michelle wasn't your typical stay at home Mom, she was very social and was around a lot of people some of whom I would imagine found her very attractive.

Yes, it would be useful to know who she came in contact with that day, outside of the people we already know, and what was MP relationship with them (if any), and most importantly what transpired in those interactions. Lots of people at the bar she worked in, patrons, co-workers, delivery people and so on and DS is not the only person in the world with a violent personality.

 

[What'sThatClue]

Yes, it would be useful to know who she came in contact with that day, outside of the people we already know, and what was MP relationship with them (if any), and most importantly what transpired in those interactions. Lots of people at the bar she worked in, patrons, co-workers, delivery people and so on and DS is not the only person in the world with a violent personality.

I'm sure LE did a thorough investigation into exactly who she came into contact with that day, and in the days past, but hasn't released that info. It's my opinion that since LE named Dale as Prime Suspect, they pretty much ruled out others. JMO

 

[Skully]

Well I don't know what to say or think. I can see Michelle was not a "wall flower" and the pictures that are out there, can very well make you a "target". Not just Dale, but for anyone who went to these Magacon parties or saw your Photos in your photo bucket or on FB or anywhere you put them for public view. I would say Michelle knew how pretty and sexy she was and it had an effect on men. I have felt she was alive for some time, like maybe she just got sick of all the stress and was humiliated from that show, and took off; giving the men a chance to see what it is like to raise kids and support them., but now I have a sinking feeling she is dead. I don't think Dale did it, because of the time he had to work with, but that is JMO and I am not LE and I don't know what they have. But I can see a working theory where Some one other than Dale could have seen her and just took her. Jennifer Kesse has never been found or Tracy Ocasio, so it is possible she met with the same fate.

 

[Thor]

I'm sure LE did a thorough investigation into exactly who she came into contact with that day, and in the days past, but hasn't released that info. It's my opinion that since LE named Dale as Prime Suspect, they pretty much ruled out others. JMO

IMO one does not know with any degree of certainty, what the police think or not think by the simple fact they are not telling. Also by it's own definition Prime suspect means "most suspected" among others and in any case the fact that the police might not have found another viable suspect does not mean one does not exist. Besides we were just here speculating other possibilities other then the usual "Dale did it" scenario.

 

[What'sThatClue]

IMO one does not know with any degree of certainty, what the police think or not think by the simple fact they are not telling. Also by it's own definition Prime suspect means "most suspected" among others and in any case the fact that the police have not found another viable suspect does not mean one does not exist. Besides we were just here speculating other possibilities other then the usual "Dale did it" scenario.

LE stated during their last press conference that Dale is the only suspect. Just sayin'.

http://www.wftv.com/news/news/new-information-expected-michelle-parker-case/nPC2J/

Rooney said Smith is the only suspect in the case.

 

[SleuthDecay]

Lots of thoughts after seeing these pics, but only a couple of comments. First it seems that at least at one time Dale and Michelle were very much in love. Also if I were on the jury I would have a very easy time believing that more than one guy could have become obsessed with Michelle and kidnapped her.

[BBM]

First of all, Lauren has stated that to her knowledge, Michelle never had a stalker. But suppose Lauren is wrong. If it was a stalker, where would he have abducted her? Though there are tons of similar black Hummers in Orlando, those GLOW decals made Michelle's Hummer stick out like a sore thumb. Remember, this would have occurred in broad daylight, during rush hour. Yet, there are no credible sightings of Michelle's vehicle with the decals intact after she arrived at Dale's at 3:18pm. When and where would the stalker have removed those decals to make the Hummer less noticable? Would he have had the same immediate access to a closed, private area like the 2-car garage that we know Dale had?

And if it was a stalker, he must have been tailing Michelle to Dale's complex, and we know he couldn't do that on foot. How would he have managed 2 vehicles? Would he have just left his or Michelle's vehicle on the side of the road after abducting her? Would no one have noticed this? Do stalkers normally work with an accomplice?

The only way I can make the stalker theory work is if the stalker lived in Dale's condo complex, and abducted Michelle after she left Dale's but before she left the complex. And I don't find that plausible in the least. If that was the case and she was indeed abducted by another resident of Carter Glen, what are the odds that Michelle's phone pings, the site where the Hummer was abandoned, and the site where where the iPhone was recovered would all leave a trail directly to Dale's parents' house? That would be one monumental coincidence and I'm not buying it.

In my opinion, the stalker theory can easily be ruled out beyond a reasonable doubt. Lucky for Dale, I won't be on the jury when/if he is tried. JMO.

 

[Thor]

LE stated during their last press conference that Dale is the only suspect. Just sayin'.

http://www.wftv.com/news/news/new-information-expected-michelle-parker-case/nPC2J/

I stand corrected. So DS is not the "prime suspect" but "the only" suspect, in any case it is still true that just because the police have not found another viable suspect doe not mean one does not exist, especially considering they have not charged DS with any crime 6 months into the investigation. Also just because LE does not identify anyone else as a suspect does not mean necessarily the do not suspect anyone else or that they are not pursuing other possibilities as I think it would be reasonable to believe after all this time.

 

[Skully]

Jennifer Kessee's abductor had to deal with two vehicles and did it in the morning in daylight. And parked the car near that Mall. Just saying.

 

[SleuthDecay]

Jennifer Kessee's abductor had to deal with two vehicles and did it in the morning in daylight. And parked the car near that Mall. Just saying.

Jennifer Kesse was not driving a Hummer H3 with huge decals in the back and side windows. Just saying.

 

[Thor]

[BBM]

First of all, Lauren has stated that to her knowledge, Michelle never had a stalker.

Just because Lauren is not aware of a stalker does not mean there wasn't one or more, besides a stalkers don't usually advertise their conduct.

But suppose Lauren is wrong. If it was a stalker, where would he have abducted her? Though there are tons of similar black Hummers in Orlando, those GLOW decals made Michelle's Hummer stick out like a sore thumb. Remember, this would have occurred in broad daylight, during rush hour. Yet, there are no credible sightings of Michelle's vehicle with the decals intact after she arrived at Dale's at 3:18pm. When and where would the stalker have removed those decals to make the Hummer less noticable? Would he have had the same immediate access to a closed, private area like the 2-car garage that we know Dale had?

I would guess at a number of places where removing the decals would have been feasible, an alley, a quite residential street, a park, a dirt road, and so on.

And if it was a stalker, he must have been tailing Michelle to Dale's complex, and we know he couldn't do that on foot. How would he have managed 2 vehicles? Would he have just left his or Michelle's vehicle on the side of the road after abducting her? Would no one have noticed this? Do stalkers normally work with an accomplice?

An accomplice is not without possibility, and why could he not have ditched the Hummer and then go back to his car? Even by cab, especially assuming he had no direct connection to MP and was confident he would not be questioned by the police.

The only way I can make the stalker theory work is if the stalker lived in Dale's condo complex, and abducted Michelle after she left Dale's but before she left the complex. And I don't find that plausible in the least. If that was the case and she was indeed abducted by another resident of Carter Glen, what are the odds that Michelle's phone pings, the site where the Hummer was abandoned, and the site where where the iPhone was recovered would all leave a trail directly to Dale's parents' house? That would be one monumental coincidence and I'm not buying it.

I don't see this as the only possibility by a long shot, besides if inconsistencies were significant reasons not to speculate or to rule out possibilities then even the DS scenario could be easily discounted. IMO

 

[Skully]

Does any one know if or what the start up costs are for the Glow Tanning business are? I remember she mentioned it in the PC airing about starting up the business but i don't recall if she said this business specifically.

Removing that sticker may have been for other reasons than just not wanting it to stick out like a sore thumb as some think.

 

[SleuthDecay]

Thor,
I was stating my own opinion and reasoning. It's far more likely, IMO, that Dale is responsible, and not a stalker. If the stalker theory was presented to me as a juror, I wouldn't buy it, for the reasons stated in my previous post. That's just me. Your mileage may vary.

 

[Jazzmaster]

I agree, IMO there are quite a few scenarios that might be possible in the disappearance of MP although DS killing her remains a distinct possibility, and a statistical likelihood, however it does seem unlikely based on what we know so far that is on the public record. IMO

I agree the most likely scenario is Dale killed Michelle. Here is how I believe it took place....Michelle brought the twinners in and they let them watch a movie someone was there and watchedwhile while Dale and Michelle went to "talk" in the garage. A argument ensued and Dale took things too far. Now he went into panic mode and he got plastic to wrap Michelle in and moved her vehicle into the garage to cover up the crime. He now needed an alibi so he took his vehicle with Michelle in the back to his parents while whoever his house guest was helped him cover up the crime... This "helper" drove the Hummer which had Michelle's phone in it. Dale quickly dropped the kids off at his parents and was seen at 430 briefly before leaving to help hide the rest of the evidence. JMO Am I getting warmer?

 

[Jazzmaster]

IMO one does not know with any degree of certainty, what the police think or not think by the simple fact they are not telling. Also by it's own definition Prime suspect means "most suspected" among others and in any case the fact that the police might not have found another viable suspect does not mean one does not exist. Besides we were just here speculating other possibilities other then the usual "Dale did it" scenario.

Now you admit Dale could be responsible. If he did make Michelle disappear what is your best guess on how he pulled this off. Dale appears to me like a "dumb jock"...is he smart enough to pull all this off by himself? I doubt it...that's why I think he had "brains" helping him. What are your thoughts?

 

[Thor]

Thor,
I was stating my own opinion and reasoning. It's far more likely, IMO, that Dale is responsible, and not a stalker. If the stalker theory was presented to me as a juror, I wouldn't buy it, for the reasons stated in my previous post. That's just me. Your mileage may vary.

We all state our own personal opinions and I agree that different people may have different opinions about the same issue, I think though it is positive to explore all other possibilities and not just the usual one.

 

[katydid23]

One big thing always steers me away from the 'random' abductor/ stalker' theory.

Michelle had a heavy texting habit. She was in constant communication with others throughout that day. And then, suddenly her communications stopped. The last one, [ besides the questionable 'waterford ' text] was sent moments before she entered Dale's
complex.

In my opinion, IF Michelle had dropped off the twins, and then got in her Hummer and drove away from the condo, she would have immediately made some contact with others, especially her 11 yr old, who was home alone. She knew he got home at that time, and she always checked in with him, according to her sister.

So I can not believe that she drove away from that condo, and just coincidentally decided not to text or call anyone, to tell them her change of plans, that she decided to 'go shopping.'

No matter who she met in the bar where she worked, there is no one with a greater motive to end her life than Dale. He wanted the kids free and clear, imo.

 

[Jazzmaster]

Just because Lauren is not aware of a stalker does not mean there wasn't one or more, besides a stalkers don't usually advertise their conduct.



I would guess at a number of places where removing the decals would have been feasible, an alley, a quite residential street, a park, a dirt road, and so on.



An accomplice is not without possibility, and why could he not have ditched the Hummer and then go back to his car? Even by cab, especially assuming he had no direct connection to MP and was confident he would not be questioned by the police.



I don't see this as the only possibility by a long shot, besides if inconsistencies were significant reasons not to speculate or to rule out possibilities then even the DS scenario could be easily discounted. IMO

Why would a stalker go thru the trouble of removing the decals, sending a bogus text, using Michelle's phone to monitor the family's reaction, and then hide Michelle? IMO this does not seem viable considering we have no other evidence that said person exists...

 

[Jazzmaster]

We all state our own personal opinions and I agree that different people may have different opinions about the same issue, I think though it is positive to explore all other possibilities and not just the usual one.

But in doing so you open up a can of worms as we have no evidence supporting a random person but PLENTY of evidence that can and does support Dale as the culprit. Ignoring common sense and wildly speculating on what could have happened to Michelle other than Dale being involved has no point IMO. The possibilities would be endless and would never lead us any closer to Michelle or who is responsible.

If you had a jewel thief spotted in the area of a major robery of a jewelry store who admitted he would some day rob that store. And had showed intent, motive, and opportunity to rob the store would you make up random suspects who might have robbed the store when no such characters existed? IMO Jar Jar Binks ruined Episode I as he distracted us from the plot. Looking at other characters in the disappearance of Michelle is a smiliar distraction in finding the truth about where Michelle is...JMO