FL FL - Michelle Parker, 33, Orlando, 17 Nov 2011 - #21

[Thor]

Seriously? The possibilities are endless. If LE cannot determine a suspect based on the last known sighting or based on other crimes in the area, find video or witnesses who have seen the person after their last known sighting, find evidence of items that the person had with them or find anything in their computer or phone to indicate behaviour unknown to the people around them, then there would be no searches, other than directly in the vicinity of the last known sighting and that would be the end of the police work on the case.

LE are not in the habit of randomly searching anywhere and everywhere for missing adults. But when they have a suspect with a known criminal history, and a known volatile history with the victim, as the last known person to see them, and he lies to them about the events of the day, well then that would be a good place to start don't you think?

MOO

I respectfully disagree, I sincerely doubt that LE is thinking Dale and only Dale could have been responsible here, that would imply that LE would know for certain no one other then Dale had a motive and opportunity to abduct Michelle o and that they would have discounted the notion of the many people that disappear each year by the hands of unknown perps. As I said before an attractive woman driving a very expensive vehicle could very well mean to imbalanced predators both the girl they could never have and the money they don't have. In any case, I don't see how following a particular trajectory of the H3 to try to extrapolate a theory about the location of the crime as well as the place where Michelle might be, would not be within the scope of a proper investigation.

 

[nursebeeme]

I respectfully disagree, I sincerely doubt that LE is thinking Dale and only Dale could have been responsible here, that would imply that LE would know for certain no one other then Dale had a motive and opportunity to abduct Michelle o and that they would have discounted the notion of the many people that disappear each year by the hands of unknown perps. As I said before an attractive woman driving a very expensive vehicle could very well mean to imbalanced predators both the girl they could never have and the money they don't have. In any case, I don't see how following a particular trajectory of the H3 to try to extrapolate a theory about the location of the crime as well as the place where Michelle might be, would not be withing the scope of a proper investigation.

BBM: at the last press conference they said that Dale is the only suspect... the ONLY person of interest.

 

[GrammaMaybe]

Jersey*Girl

As a supervisor responsible for the training of post graduate school interns, I helped diagnosis clients that I did not see personally. In those cases, I only pointed out to interns some behaviors or symptoms they might have missed as well as criteria with which they were not familiar. Since I had to sign all intern case notes and include my license number, I was very careful. I tended to under diagnose because these were mandated clients and any diagnsis might have a life long impact.

Now that I'm retired, my opinion isn't worth spit legally and I can't loose my license. I can, however, still be sued; hence my reluctance to offer diagnostic opinions. I have them, however.

Interfacing with Child Protective Services taught me a few things:
1. Observing domestic abuse is abuse in itself (and there are brain studies that prove it) and many moms lose their children to the system until they learn to protect them. Some moms never get it and lose their children forever.

2. The goal of reunification trumps all other goals and in my 20 years I've seen cases of children losing their lives (or been permanently injured) in cases I would not have returned and in cases in which I would.

3. I've had a convicted murderer successfully complete his case plan and become what I would call a good parent. Another was adequate.

4. I take no credit for my successes; clients who changed their lives for the better stayed sober and WORKED THE TWELVE STEPS because they loved their kids enough to do the work.

5. CPS is understaffed and overworked and children will be hurt and die because of it.

6. Because it is the law in my state, I have reported battered women to CPS; some had their children moved for a time. Luckily for my heart and soul, they were all reunited.

DV generally:
Most victims have PTSD before they get into the system. PTSD is very treatable, in my experience more than half can become completely asymptomatic, but they are more likely to suffer it again if traumatized again.

Witnessing violence as a child modifies the brain in the same way that being physically beaten or sexually molested does. Victims are more likely to receive PTSD diagnoses as adults.

Based on my experience with DV and the number of murders I've seen, I don't agree with most therapists on how to separate victims from abusers.

 

[Thor]

BBM: at the last press conference they said that Dale is the only suspect... the ONLY person of interest.

IMO That does not mean they are not pursuing any other leads or that we should not as well.

 

[GrammaMaybe]

I agree that this would be a relevant piece of evidence, and would cause me to re-evaluate some ideas I have formed in the past, however I am not sure that it is the case here. I was under the impression that there is no video recordings of the hummer leaving Dale's with or without stickers. Please let me know if I'm wrong here.

According to a resident at the condo, LE has the video from the complex for the 17th and it shows the Hummer leaving naked as in no sticker or tire cover.

 

[nursebeeme]

IMO That does not mean they are not pursuing any other leads or that we should not.

If they are they have not said this publicly. What they HAVE said publicly is that Dale is the only suspect and the only person of interest and they are trying to connect the dots.

 

[What'sThatClue]

I respectfully disagree, I sincerely doubt that LE is thinking Dale and only Dale could have been responsible here, that would imply that LE would know for certain no one other then Dale had a motive and opportunity to abduct Michelle o and that they would have discounted the notion of the many people that disappear each year by the hands of unknown perps. As I said before an attractive woman driving a very expensive vehicle could very well mean to imbalanced predators both the girl they could never have and the money they don't have. In any case, I don't see how following a particular trajectory of the H3 to try to extrapolate a theory about the location of the crime as well as the place where Michelle might be, would not be within the scope of a proper investigation.

JMO, LE followed the "trajectory of the H3" right to DSjr's condo. They didn't name him Prime Suspect for no reason.

As always, MOO

 

[GrammaMaybe]

IMO one does not need to name a particular suspect in order to try to imagine possible locations for an abduction or for the occultation of a cadaver.

Where would you look for a cadaver? I'm assuming you've looked up Orlando on google and mapped routes between the condo and Rose Blvd, and perhaps between Dale's and Michelle's workplace.

Where would you start to look?

 

[Jersey*Girl]

GrammaMaybe, thank you. The button just wasn't enough for that informative post. Speaking from my own experiences, for me it took years of not only child therapy BUT positive goal setting & achieving as well. Years. Some people might think of that as baggage, but for me it made me want to conquer, to achieve, rise above. The best thing that ever happened to me was moving away from where I grew up, to go to college & clear my head, think freely but intelligently, surpass all fear. When I moved back, I fell into the "same 'ole same 'ole" routine. Saw the warning signs & tackled or right away by exercising. Til this day it's still how I cope with daily stress factors. It's a positive thing, ya know?

I can't help but wonder if Michelle had done something different, like leave & stay gone, if maybe the circumstances wouldn't be where they are. I know it takes two to fix a problem when together as a couple, but if one of those people doesn't make the first move to concede defeat, then they'll both lose...most importantly the children lose.

In your opinion, is there any chance at all of Dale being innocent with regards to Michelle's disappearance? Any tiny inkling of a chance? Or is his psych assessment off the charts?

 

[beach]

IMO That does not mean they are not pursuing any other leads or that we should not as well.

Can you give us a decent lead then? Or better yet, make sure LE gets your decent lead!

I have seen plenty of your defense of Dale but I have yet to see you offer any concrete evidence that would give anyone - members here OR, more importantly, LE - reason to look elsewhere.

Please, let us hear it. Try to leave Dale's name out of it since you think we should pursue other leads.

 

[Jersey*Girl]

According to a resident at the condo, LE has the video from the complex for the 17th and it shows the Hummer leaving naked as in no sticker or tire cover.

Are you talking about the resident that had the security camera above his garage? The same resident that gave the tape to the media? If so, it was completely retracted bc it was in fact not Michelle's H3 and the lead reporter explained it in detail as soon as he pulled the video from airing again. That Hummer actually belongs to a neighbor that lives in the same condo complex as Dale.

 

[Thor]

According to a resident at the condo, LE has the video from the complex for the 17th and it shows the Hummer leaving naked as in no sticker or tire cover.

As I believe somebody other then me has pointed out before, that particular evidence has not being confirmed and I will speculate here that had this been the case, Dale would have been probably arrested by now.

 

[Jersey*Girl]

I have a question...

Those fountains that are placed in lakes/ponds to circulate the water, or aerate it or whatever it's called... Well what about if a body is dumped in a body of water that has one or more of those fountains? Would it help to hide a dead body scent or would it actually help to push that scent toward the beach or land barrier? Also, what about if a body of water doesn't have one of those fountains, would it make the smell of decomposition stronger or would the water be stagnant and therefore assist the body in decomposing?

 

[GrammaMaybe]

Are you talking about the resident that had the security camera above his garage? The same resident that gave the tape to the media? If so, it was completely retracted bc it was in fact not Michelle's H3 and the lead reporter explained it in detail as soon as he pulled the video from airing again. That Hummer actually belongs to a neighbor that lives in the same condo complex as Dale.

Not the cameraman. I assume it's pretty common knowledge around the complex, but/and no one wants their name out because of Dale's history. It's not the neighbor's video; it's the complex video from the gates. Why else would Dale be the suspect?

 

[Kamille]

Why would fear play a part, though? If Michelle was fearful of Dale she wouldn't have cheated on him during the time he cheated on her. Why not use that excuse to break it off instead of going out with somebody else? I think they were just in a really bad habit of one-upping one another. It's a shame they didn't end it sooner. With what A told the powers to be that he witnessed firsthand abuse, I can only imagine the pain & confusion he felt by holding it in all these years. If he'd have told his father, I suspect he'd have fought for him. Kids think in ridiculous circles bc they're indebted to their parents. For years I blamed my father for my mom's death bc there was no heat & she got pneumonia, couldn't fight it bc of her cancer, so she died. I blamed my dad for no heat. Deeper though is how I felt about myself. I blamed myself for keeping things "secret" instead of speaking up. I felt that if I'd have spoken up then we wouldn't have lived with my dad, my mom wouldn't have gotten pneumonia, & she'd have been able to survive bc cancer was finally able to be put into remission a year after my mom died. Warped, I know, but children are protective of their mother/father. So I'm hoping beyond all hope that her son isn't blaming himself for not speaking up sooner bc it isn't his fault...not at all. I stated all this to show a different perspective. This is like the third time I've gotten personal & 3's a charm, so I'll leave it at that. :blowkiss: My honest opinion is there is no excuse good enough for not walking the first time. I have the old philosophy - first time shame on you, second time shame on me...but to think of 9ths 10ths 15ths 20ths sickens me.

BBM

There is no indication that Michelle was cheating on DSJr with the gentleman that he mentioned in the PC episode. It has been established that they did break up in the year that DSJr mentioned her "relationship" with this man. And he threw it in her face during a time when they were actually getting along at the convention, which is what started the argument leading to the loss of the ring. A nasty, unnecesary low blow and very indicative of the kind of person DSJr is.

Michelle has stated, on the other hand, that he cheated on her, while they were together, repeatedly and that she had seen the evidence to prove it.

JM: What was the argument about?
DS: Um, I asked her if she was having a good time and she said “yeah, you know, this was what she's always wanted”
JM: What was what she's always wanted?
DS: To be there...
JM: To be at a sci-fi convention at 3 in the morning, wasted?
DS: Yeah, well, I mean we were having a good time
JM: A girl can dream, can't she (everyone laughs)
MP: Oh yes, Sky's the limit. (Everyone laughs)
JM: Yeah, really, sky's the limit for you. Go Ahead.
DS: Well then, she said, you know, this is all I wanted, you know, I just wanted to be around you and experience what you do and have a good time.
JM: She said that?
DS: Yes, that's what she said. And then I had made a comment, well then, you shouldn't have been sleeping around with Paul last year. And that's what started the argument. She started yelling and screaming at me (screen shot of MP shows her mouth wide open) and then she threw a drink in my face, and
JM: Is this how your relationship has always been?
DS: Uh...
MP: No
JM: I don't know he's not too convincing.
MP: For the 5 years that we were together I could probably rattle off seven girls, found in the house, emails, pictures, text messages, craigslist ads,
DS: Two, two while we were broken up
MP: He's cheated on me constantly and I've always tried to keep it together for the kids and would forgive and forgive and this was the final straw. And when you're ready to hear, obviously, my side, and let him finish, I'll tell you what happened.

MOO

 

[Jersey*Girl]

Guys, the complete explanation of the retraction of the Hummer aired in the media was completely & thoroughly explained to such a degree that it definitively most certainly 100% isn't Michelle's H3. The info is in these threads & elsewhere on the net. I was a naysayer as well until the reporter responsible explained it in thorough detail. Then on another site it was shown where the Hummer actually resides in the neighborhood.

 

[GrammaMaybe]

As I believe somebody other then me has pointed out before, that particular evidence has not being confirmed and I will speculate here that had this been the case, Dale would have been probably arrested by now.

Respectfully disagree. IMO he's the primary suspect because they have video of the Hummer leaving the complex naked and not arrested because they haven't any proof yet she's dead.

Where would you start looking?

Go ahead stick out your neck like the rest of us; risk making a mistake. WHERE WOULD YOU LOOK?

 

[Jersey*Girl]

Not the cameraman. I assume it's pretty common knowledge around the complex, but/and no one wants their name out because of Dale's history. It's not the neighbor's video; it's the complex video from the gates. Why else would Dale be the suspect?

From what I understand, the camera pointing out wasn't actually set up until after Michelle disappeared...or it was there for looks (I forget). But from my own understanding the police don't in fact have video of Michelle's H3 leaving - they only have it arriving.

 

[Kamille]

GrammaMaybe, thank you. The button just wasn't enough for that informative post. Speaking from my own experiences, for me it took years of not only child therapy BUT positive goal setting & achieving as well. Years. Some people might think of that as baggage, but for me it made me want to conquer, to achieve, rise above. The best thing that ever happened to me was moving away from where I grew up, to go to college & clear my head, think freely but intelligently, surpass all fear. When I moved back, I fell into the "same 'ole same 'ole" routine. Saw the warning signs & tackled or right away by exercising. Til this day it's still how I cope with daily stress factors. It's a positive thing, ya know?

I can't help but wonder if Michelle had done something different, like leave & stay gone, if maybe the circumstances wouldn't be where they are. I know it takes two to fix a problem when together as a couple, but if one of those people doesn't make the first move to concede defeat, then they'll both lose...most importantly the children lose.

In your opinion, is there any chance at all of Dale being innocent with regards to Michelle's disappearance? Any tiny inkling of a chance? Or is his psych assessment off the charts?

BBM

This is exactly what Michelle did do and that is why the circumstances are where they are IMO. And statistics will tell you that a woman is in the most danger after leaving her abuser.

MOO

 

[Thor]

Can you give us a decent lead then? Or better yet, make sure LE gets your decent lead!

I have seen plenty of your defense of Dale but I have yet to see you offer any concrete evidence that would give anyone - members here OR, more importantly, LE - reason to look elsewhere.

Please, let us hear it. Try to leave Dale's name out of it since you think we should pursue other leads.

I don't think one should exclude anyone's theory, least of all the ones that involve Dale. My point was in response to a a question put to me about what LE might do other then concentrating to a single suspect, I then gave the example of using the map ... the lines ... the locations of possible abductions etc ... etc .... Also, if concrete evidence was the standard here I am afraid I don't have any that points reasonably to either Dale or anyone else.