FL FL - Michelle Parker, 33, Orlando, 17 Nov 2011 - #22

[Jazzmaster]

I admire your tenacity and conviction Jazz I agree with most of what you post and I do follow everyday.

One can only hope that LE has more info than we are privy to and updates become available from them soon.

I do find it a travesty that the twins have limited time with Michelle's family. In my mind DS et all are avoiding confrontation. They in no way should suffer but mark my words, in time the truth will yield answers to who their father really is.

Thank you for the kind words...It warms my heart I agree that in time the twinners will know who dad is...It took the Powell boys a while to figure it out and when they did it was too late. I know the Smiths follow the Powell case like hawks so I am hoping the kids get taken away before it's too late. IMO Dale has already poisoned them enough and those kids deserve so much more than he could ever provide. Half a man cannot be the father those kids need...but he is using them like he uses everyone else in his life.

 

[Jazzmaster]

Glad you're back jazz!

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Glad to be back. Most of all, I miss the great people here at WS. Thanks for continuing to fight for Michelle. Let us remember her forever and NGU! Let Dale Smith never rest until he confesses or is convicted for the crimes he committed!

 

[Pias]

Thank you for the kind words...It warms my heart I agree that in time the twinners will know who dad is...It took the Powell boys a while to figure it out and when they did it was too late. I know the Smiths follow the Powell case like hawks so I am hoping the kids get taken away before it's too late. IMO Dale has already poisoned them enough and those kids deserve so much more than he could ever provide. Half a man cannot be the father those kids need...but he is using them like he uses everyone else in his life.

You would think anyone in the know with half the ability to reason would see the potential danger of where this could all end up. I would never have the heart to put those children at that type of risk. Not if I knew what I knew, cuz ya never know what ya don't and you can't see the future.

To reason that this will be the last killing, or that this is where the line will be drawn, and he will never go further is an assumption I would not be willing to take when there is simply nothing right up until the moment, to tell me different.

If anyone knows anything they certainly have a lot of thinking left to do.

It's not to late to tell, if anybody knows anything, but it might be to late, one day, if they don't.

How could anyone be so sure as to risk the lives of innocent children?

Are those potential risks really worth staying quiet for? Even if they had to do a little time?

 

[katydid23]

The phone being tossed away and particularly at that location is problematic when measured against everything else ... the perp seems to have been quite methodical in getting rid of the evidence, so why toss the cell? Why not just power it down? I know this is very significant in some way but how? I was surprised when they recovered the phone but not the body, I would have thought the two would be at the same location ... so maybe having evidence scattered in more the one location would have been preferable? But why? The phone contents didn't seem to be incriminating, so again, why toss it? If one tosses something one could be spotted, not much of a chance with such a small object yes, but still a chance ... if one is en route to dispose of the body why take a chance? So again, why toss it? And why that location where it would later be recovered? Why is the body so competently disposed of but not the cell? Did he keep the cell after having disposed of the body so as to answer possible texts messages to avoid suspicions? But the "Waterford" text was sent at 4:26pm not nearly enough time for the perp to have had a chance to disposed of the body ... so why is the body over there and the cell over here? Where is the connection? Where is the logic? This perp didn't keep the phone separate from the rest for entertainment reason or to fumble around to read MP's messages, even simply opening an archived message leaves a record of it, somewhere deep in the OS every file been accessed is recorded ... so why take such a chance? Nothing about this perp indicates he takes unnecessary chances ... no clues, no evidence, no body ... nothing, so why does it toss the cell there? Why doe it toss the cell at all in a seemingly case of carelessness? What is happening at that very moment that makes him toss the cell?

I really suspect the cell been tossed there indicates a change of plan that was arrived at after the cell was tossed, or is a glitch in the original plan, with the former been more likely then the latter, either way and regardless I think the cell in the water is very significant in some way, I just haven't figure out how.
JMO

I have had similar thoughts about the body likely being tossed in the same place as the cell. I have always wondered if there were lots of hungry gators in that particular location.

As to WHY the cell was thrown over the bridge--- why not? The perp could not afford to be found with it. And it could be traced or GPSed perhaps. I would have gotten rid of it as well.

 

[Thor]

Did you come up with a theory yet Thor on who else could've done it? All I have still points directly back to Dale...Any new insight?

Hi Jazz, welcome back ... yes I've come up with a theory ... BTW I really don't think DS did this nor do I think he's even remotely such a bad person, I think he made his share of mistakes when he was younger but I think the evidence show a different person today ... he took responsibility for his children and he's staying out of trouble, I really think he's trying ... and for the sake of his children I wish him luck. However if it turns out he had something to do with MP disappearance then of course, the thinking here would change, but since not even LE is saying he's involved as of today, then I really have no reasons not to at least give him the benefit of the doubt ... which I believe every person in similar circumstances deserve. JMO

 

[Jazzmaster]

Hi Jazz, welcome back ... yes I've come up with a theory ... BTW I really don't think DS did this nor do I think he's even remotely such a bad person, I think he made his share of mistakes when he was younger but I think the evidence show a different person today ... he took responsibility for his children and he's staying out of trouble, I really think he's trying ... and for the sake of those children I wish him luck. However if he had anything to do with MP disappearance then of course, the thinking here would change, but since not even the police is saying he's involved then I really have no reasons not to at least give him the benefit of the doubt ... which I believe every person in similar circumstances deserve. JMO

We have no evidence of him turning his life around and instead we have a continued pattern of his irresponsibility and inability to control his temper:

1. Threatened to kill Michelle and kidnap her kids
2. Pushed a cameraman on way into custody hearing
3. Physically assaulted Michelle on several occasions
4. Failed to pay child support on several occasions
5. Using children as a pawn and not allowing grandparents visitation

Need I go on...he is a bad seed and there is no evidence of him changing whatsoever. He is and will continue to be evil until he finally confesses and decides to turn his life around. Only he can decide when that time is...

 

[Thor]

We have no evidence of him turning his life around and instead we have a continued pattern of his irresponsibility and inability to control his temper:

1. Threatened to kill Michelle and kidnap her kids
2. Pushed a cameraman on way into custody hearing
3. Physically assaulted Michelle on several occasions
4. Failed to pay child support on several occasions
5. Using children as a pawn and not allowing grandparents visitation

Need I go on...he is a bad seed and there is no evidence of him changing whatsoever. He is and will continue to be evil until he finally confesses and decides to turn his life around. Only he can decide when that time is...

I could not possibly disagree more ... so I will agree to disagree since trying to answer all those charges would take me a long time writing and after all we have been here before. When I get a real chance to gather my thoughts, I will have that theory you were asking for and may be we can discuss it ... should you feel inclined to do so.

 

[Jazzmaster]

I could not possibly disagree more ... so I will agree to disagree since trying to answer all those charges would take me a long time writing and after all we have been here before. When I get a real chance to gather my thoughts, I will have that theory you were asking for and may be we can discuss it ... should you feel inclined to do so.

I would welcome your theory as I still have yet to find one that leads away from Dale...far too much evidence IMO. As these charges are all ON RECORD I stand behind my opinion that Dale is as EVIL as they come...In fact I lump him in there with Josh Powell, Jeffrey Dahmer, Ted Bundy, and other killers.

 

[Thor]

I would welcome your theory as I still have yet to find one that leads away from Dale...far too much evidence IMO. As these charges are all on record I stand behind my opinion that Dale is as evil as they come...

Jazz, I have no issues with opinions, everyone who wants one can have one, they are free of charge and therefore I have many of them, (probably more then I should) however evidence are made up of facts and no one is entitled to their own facts, so my question to you would be, what evidence is there that you know of that directly incriminates DS in MP disappearance?

 

[Jazzmaster]

The phone being tossed away and particularly at that location is problematic when measured against everything else ... the perp seems to have been quite methodical in getting rid of the evidence, so why toss the cell? Why not just power it down? I know this is very significant in some way but how? I was surprised when they recovered the phone but not the body, I would have thought the two would be at the same location ... so maybe having evidence scattered in more the one location would have been preferable? But why? The phone contents didn't seem to be incriminating, so again, why toss it? If one tosses something one could be spotted, not much of a chance with such a small object yes, but still a chance ... if one is en route to dispose of the body why take a chance? So again, why toss it? And why that location where it would later be recovered? Why is the body so competently disposed of but not the cell? Did he keep the cell after having disposed of the body so as to answer possible texts messages to avoid suspicions? But the "Waterford" text was sent at 4:26pm not nearly enough time for the perp to have had a chance to disposed of the body ... so why is the body over there and the cell over here? Where is the connection? Where is the logic? This perp didn't keep the phone separate from the rest for entertainment reason or to fumble around to read MP's messages, even simply opening an archived message leaves a record of it, somewhere deep in the OS every file been accessed is recorded ... so why take such a chance? Nothing about this perp indicates he takes unnecessary chances ... no clues, no evidence, no body ... nothing, so why does it toss the cell there? Why doe it toss the cell at all in a seemingly case of carelessness? What is happening at that very moment that makes him toss the cell?

I really suspect the cell been tossed there indicates a change of plan that was arrived at after the cell was tossed, or is a glitch in the original plan, with the former been more likely then the latter, either way and regardless I think the cell in the water is very significant in some way, I just haven't figure out how.
JMO

IMO the phone was nowhere to be found before Mama and Papa were interviewed and then it magically appeared after Mama and Papa were brought in for questioning...do the math...

 

[Pias]

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/levipage/2011/12/02/michelle-parker-mystery

It's old, but perhaps worth a listen.

 

[southern_comfort]

I've been away for a while...needed a bit more "me" time this summer.., Came out of retirement for a while since I can't see the grand kids...

I have been doing some writing, taking on some projects, and light web work but thought I'd check back in... Sometimes stepping away from a case for a few weeks can help you see things in a whole new light. I did have some time to talk with some detectives and forensic experts as well as a no body prosecutor...you can sure learn a lot from the experts...I even had some time to check out a few "prime" locations where Dale may have hidden Michelle. Also had time to review my case notes and interviews and screenshots along with Dale's social media activity before he deleted it...There was a mountain of info to review...a little Dale library so to speak.

THIS IS JMO: No matter how long I step away it keeps coming back to me that Dale Smith was hiding his homosexuality from others and Michelle was going to "out" him. He snapped and took things too far. He was jealous of the close relationship Michelle had with her family Brad and Gayle Parker and Yvonne and of course her brother and sister. Dale could never win Michelle's full affection and he tried to seek refuge with other men and women as a way to get back at her. One thing is clear to me Dale is a lying murderer who made a few too many mistakes trying to cover his tracks...Once he got a taste of killing he was willing to kill time and time again...a lifeguard, Shannon (no accident in my book), Michelle, who else is on that list Dale? How many other "secrets" do you hide and is that why you killed Michelle?

I'm not a psychologist, but from bits and pieces I've picked up, I think I have seen hints of NPD, particularly the somatic variety. I don't think D had any interest whatsoever in Michelle's full affection. I've got a sneaking suspicion that may have been a hot button issue in the relationship. JMO, of course.

 

[Thor]

IMO the phone was nowhere to be found before Mama and Papa were interviewed and then it magically appeared after Mama and Papa were brought in for questioning...do the math...

The phone & the questioning ... to me this is an example of:

The dog barked and then it rained ... therefore the dog made it rain. Which is the universal pitfall when one tries to lump together two unrelated events but fails to establish a factual connection between the two.

 

[Jazzmaster]

Jazz, I have no issues with opinions, everyone who wants one can have one, they are free of charge and therefore I have many of them, (probably more then I should) however evidence are made up of facts and no one is entitled to their own facts, so my question to you would be, what evidence is there that you know of that directly incriminates DS in MP disappearance?

As you are aware, there is an active and ongoing investigation. Much of the evidence has been turned over to LE and under tight wraps. They are not asking for public assistance which to me is quite telling. Much of the evidence has NOT been released to the public for obvious reasons. We can all play Monday morning quarterback and guess what LE has or doesn't have. In many cases the element of surprise has worked greatly to the advantage of LE. I would wager that is fully in play here.

Based on what evidence has been released to the public, it appears very circumstantial. I can see why you'd want to defend Dale based on the lack of known physical evidence. But what the eyes have seen cannot be undone nor the dots that have been connected...those cannot be broken. It is when you see the forest and the trees at the same time that it all begins to click. I was playing bridge today and my partner (God bless her) made the point that once light has been brought into the darkness you can see that which does not want to be seen. Many of us can see clearly what Dale did. It's pretty obvious he killed Michelle and hid her somewhere that she would not be easily found. I pray daily that someone comes forward to reveal where our beloved Michelle is...

 

[Thor]

I'm not a psychologist, but from bits and pieces I've picked up, I think I have seen hints of NPD, particularly the somatic variety. I don't think D had any interest whatsoever in Michelle's full affection. I've got a sneaking suspicion that may have been a hot button issue in the relationship. JMO, of course.

That might very well be the case ... I'm not sure how long they had been apart, although it seems they often broke up and then would get back together ... not sure about that either though.

 

[Jazzmaster]

The phone & the questioning ... to me this is an example of:

The dog barked and then it rained ... therefore the dog made it rain. Which is the universal pitfall when one tries to lump together two unrelated events but fails to establish a factual connection between the two.

Well the timing is quite let's just say COINCIDENTAL and where it was found quite SUSPICIOUS when you examine previous activity combined with the activity that took place immediately following the subpoenas. For now...I will move on...

 

[Jazzmaster]

That might very well be the case ... I'm not sure how long they had been apart, although it seems they often broke up and then would get back together ... not sure about that either though.

Dale had a funny way of treating women...they ended up beaten, bruised, or dead. He somehow became fixated on Michelle and IMO couldn't live without her nor could he live with her. So he chose to end her life so no one else could have her. IMO She knew the secrets of his sexuality and he did not want that "out" in the open.

 

[Thor]

Well the timing is quite let's just say COINCIDENTAL and where it was found quite SUSPICIOUS when you examine previous activity combined with the activity that took place immediately following the subpoenas. For now...I will move on...

The phone was tossed early on in the abduction, I don't think there is much doubt about that IMO, Sr & rest of family are not even POIs.

 

[Thor]

Dale had a funny way of treating women...they ended up beaten, bruised, or dead. He somehow became fixated on Michelle and IMO couldn't live without her nor could he live with her. So he chose to end her life so no one else could have her. IMO She knew the secrets of his sexuality and he did not want that "out" in the open.

Jazz must we really talk about Dale's sexuality? What does it really have to do with anything ... it's like .. year 2012 ... most of the world has moved on from that kind of things ... stuff

 

[Jazzmaster]

The phone was tossed early on in the abduction, I don't think there is much doubt about that IMO, Sr & rest of family are not even POIs.

How do you know the phone was tossed early on? That info has not been released...

What if someone tried to sell the phone on Dale's favorite place for meeting men and women to date...Craig's List? Then got spooked? Just a theory...