FL FL - Michelle Parker, 33, Orlando, 17 Nov 2011 - #23

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  • #481
I have a question. If the Hummer was pulled into Dale's garage, would the neighbor's video camera catch it on video? I can't remember how much of the driveway on Dale's side it picked up. In some of our theories we have thought that the Glow sticker was removed in the privacy of Dale's gargage, if the video picks him pulling the hummer inside, well we need another theory.

The camera was at an angle where we were only able to see her drive by. DS condo is on the other side of the condo where the camera is. And DS condo is a end unit. None of his driveway was picked up on the video camera unfortunately.

ETA: I also wanted to mention I was over that way the other day, and the vacant land next to the condo is still being cleared and they are in the process of building a large gas station.
 
  • #482
The camera was at an angle where we were only able to see her drive by. DS condo is on the other side of the condo where the camera is. And DS condo is a end unit. None of his driveway was picked up on the video camera unfortunately.

ETA: I also wanted to mention I was over that way the other day, and the vacant land next to the condo is still being cleared and they are in the process of building a large gas station.

Thank you, that is what I thought. I am just kicking around a theory that it is possible for him to have pulled this off, IF HE HAD HELP, and one thing was who took the hummer and who drove his truck back to the house (parents) with the kids and who drove the parents car/truck back to their house. The only reason I want to figure this out, is in my mind, if you figure out who did what, you may be able to figure out where she is. Not that I can go search or anything, but it is odd that her body has never surfaced. The time was limited as to what you could do in a few hours and not be see somewhere. So that was a question I had, thank you for answering it. I think that is why the parents were questioned too. I think you need 3 people.
 
  • #483
When a cell phone pings off a tower, can you tell how long it's been pinging that tower. For instance, there is a tower across from the condos. If Michelle's phone was at the condos for let's say 30 mins., will it show that phone pinged that tower for that 30 mins.? Does that make sense?
 
  • #484
When a cell phone pings off a tower, can you tell how long it's been pinging that tower. For instance, there is a tower across from the condos. If Michelle's phone was at the condos for let's say 30 mins., will it show that phone pinged that tower for that 30 mins.? Does that make sense?

Ahhhhh....great question!!
 
  • #485
When a cell phone pings off a tower, can you tell how long it's been pinging that tower. For instance, there is a tower across from the condos. If Michelle's phone was at the condos for let's say 30 mins., will it show that phone pinged that tower for that 30 mins.? Does that make sense?

Sorry for quoting myself, but I wanted to keep this together.

If you are able to see that her phone was pinging off the same tower for those 30 mins. I mentioned above, then you should also be able to see long DS's phone pinged the same tower. Right?

We have roughly 72 minutes from the time Michelle dropped the twins off until DS gets to his parents at 4:30. (supposedly)

Now I believe it's critical that his cell records are looked at, which I'm sure they have been, BUT If his cell pinged that cell tower for 30 mins or longer there is no way IMO he could've made it to his parents in that afternoon traffic going thru Belle Isle at 25 mph and speed bumps.

If there were someone else at the condo with DS, his phone could've been given to that person, along with the twins and sent on their merry way. Therefore the phone would ping along the route to Sr's which probably showed up at Sr's at 4:30.

There is also another Tower that I'm aware of going West on Hoffner right around the corner from the condos. Both phones should've pinged that tower if they were heading towards Sr's together.

We know Michele's phone pinged the tower on Hoffner AFTER you cross 436 (Semoran Blvd) heading west at 4:26 pm and the Waterford text was sent. So if DS had her phone, obviously he couldn't have made it to Sr's by 4:30.

I'm only using 30 mins as a reference, I do not know how long the phone was there.

Sorry for my rambling.
 
  • #486
I don't know if this will answer your question or not, but there is a case here on WS, and a phone pinged for hours at a location of one of the towers. They have the pings because friends, called that cell phone for hours and left dozens of messages for that person, until the phone died. The person is still missing and the phone. Don't ask for a link, this is information that was told to me by her mom. But my point is, it pinged because people were calling the phone, the phone BTW was turned off, so the perp didn't know anyone was calling or that it was pinging.
 
  • #487
Sorry for quoting myself, but I wanted to keep this together.

If you are able to see that her phone was pinging off the same tower for those 30 mins. I mentioned above, then you should also be able to see long DS's phone pinged the same tower. Right?

We have roughly 72 minutes from the time Michelle dropped the twins off until DS gets to his parents at 4:30. (supposedly)

Now I believe it's critical that his cell records are looked at, which I'm sure they have been, BUT If his cell pinged that cell tower for 30 mins or longer there is no way IMO he could've made it to his parents in that afternoon traffic going thru Belle Isle at 25 mph and speed bumps.

If there were someone else at the condo with DS, his phone could've been given to that person, along with the twins and sent on their merry way. Therefore the phone would ping along the route to Sr's which probably showed up at Sr's at 4:30.
There is also another Tower that I'm aware of going West on Hoffner right around the corner from the condos. Both phones should've pinged that tower if they were heading towards Sr's together.

We know Michele's phone pinged the tower on Hoffner AFTER you cross 436 (Semoran Blvd) heading west at 4:26 pm and the Waterford text was sent. So if DS had her phone, obviously he couldn't have made it to Sr's by 4:30.

I'm only using 30 mins as a reference, I do not know how long the phone was there.

Sorry for my rambling.

BBM this is one of the things we tossed around, that 2 people came over or were there, and one person took the kids in Dale's truck back to the Sr's home, because of car seats and the truck was seen coming back. The other person had to drive Sr's truck or car, back to his place, and Dale could have pulled the hummer into the garage, striped it, and drove out the back way with MP in it, dumped the body, ditched the hummer and someone picked him up and drove him back to Sr and he gets in his own truck with the kids, tosses the phone and back home to blog on FB.
 
  • #488
https://www.facebook.com/michelleparkermissingperson

Via Michelles Mother Yvonne Stewart:

Tallahassee here we come! Michelle Parker Law is going to Committee One. THE most important first Step. Monday at 2pm. Grandparent Rights. Everyone is invited because the more support speakers the better. We each get 3 minutes to speak. Invitation to you all. message me....God Bless you and thank you Jesus. Prayers are working....
 
  • #489
I wish her so much luck. Grandparents should have the right to see the grandchildren. I am a grandmother, sort of, I have a step daughter who has a little boy, he will be 2 soon. We saw him last night for the first time in nearly 2 yrs. So it is hard when they keep the kids away from you, because of what ever reason they have at the time. It is not fair, it is wrong to do this, but for now, we have to rights to them. It is far worse when you have lost your daughter and then the kids are taken away by someone you blame for your daughter's death. How is any of it fair?
 
  • #490
BBM this is one of the things we tossed around, that 2 people came over or were there, and one person took the kids in Dale's truck back to the Sr's home, because of car seats and the truck was seen coming back. The other person had to drive Sr's truck or car, back to his place, and Dale could have pulled the hummer into the garage, striped it, and drove out the back way with MP in it, dumped the body, ditched the hummer and someone picked him up and drove him back to Sr and he gets in his own truck with the kids, tosses the phone and back home to blog on FB.

Do you remember the statement Sr made when WESH showed up at his front door and he said "He was here the whole time she was supposed to be missing" I've never forgotten that statement and thought it was strange he would say it like that.

Sorry I don't have a link, but it was in a video posted on WESH.

ETA: I saw a Hummner just like Michelle's sitting on a car lot today. The windows are much smaller than what they look in the photos we've seen. So IMO, I don't think it would take long at all the take those decals off. But, that's jmo.

And yes, I believe there was more involved then one and maybe they didn't even know they were involved until after the fact?
 
  • #491
Yes I do remember that statement. Wasn't it after the first raid on the house?

I just thought about that, supposed to be missing, like if I had said it. If I can see the person in my mind, and I know where they are, and that they are not "missing" in the traditional meaning, I would could see that as a Freudian Slip. Because you know they are not missing, you know they have not gone missing or run off anywhere, you know where they are. Could that be what we heard? Please don't jump me for this, I am just sort of thinking of that statement and what it would mean to me if I said it.
 
  • #492
Yes I do remember that statement. Wasn't it after the first raid on the house?

No it was the day after she went missing. He clammed up after the raid. jmo
 
  • #493
Yes I do remember that statement. Wasn't it after the first raid on the house?

I just thought about that, supposed to be missing, like if I had said it. If I can see the person in my mind, and I know where they are, and that they are not "missing" in the traditional meaning, I would could see that as a Freudian Slip. Because you know they are not missing, you know they have not gone missing or run off anywhere, you know where they are. Could that be what we heard? Please don't jump me for this, I am just sort of thinking of that statement and what it would mean to me if I said it.

Naw, I took it as he thought everyone thought she was missing, but she really wasn't.

Supposed to be, but really wasn't. KWIM
 
  • #494
The other thing, I've reread the documents when he was married to Shannon and I didn't know she told him she wanted a divorce. Then it goes on, he came in from the bar drunk, dragged her outside and beat her head against the railing. This was her statement. Of course, there's more to it, but what caught my eye was the divorce.
 
  • #495
I wish her so much luck. Grandparents should have the right to see the grandchildren. I am a grandmother, sort of, I have a step daughter who has a little boy, he will be 2 soon. We saw him last night for the first time in nearly 2 yrs. So it is hard when they keep the kids away from you, because of what ever reason they have at the time. It is not fair, it is wrong to do this, but for now, we have to rights to them. It is far worse when you have lost your daughter and then the kids are taken away by someone you blame for your daughter's death. How is any of it fair?

Hi Skully, please forgive that I'm taking the opportunity of your post to express my opinion on matters of custody and visitations, but as a divorced parent and after a number of years that I've worked with young people and children as an educator and counselor in my past, I'm still very much involved emotionally with it all. What follows is not necessarily either in agreement or disagreement with your post whether in whole or in part or for that matter not even entirely related to it, just my thoughts on an issue dear and near to me ...

Interested parties, even parents, don't have absolute rights to visitation or custody. Universally, laws governing such matters are not looked upon the point of view of a particular individual(s) or what is fair or not to them, but from what is in the best interest of the child which are always assumed to be in the custody and guidance of a parent(s) absent evidence to the contrary.

Moreover, the right of a parent(s) to raise his/her/their children and to do so as they see fit, is one of the most fundamental right of any human being and therefore it's recognized and protected the world over. Hence, it's all but impossible to take away this fundamental right absent proven allegation of child abuse or that otherwise a parent(s) is unfit to keep custody, and I'd like to stress here the concept of "proven" and not simply alleged by whomever and under whatever circumstances.

On the issue of visitations, particularly here in the case of grandparents and other such non-custodial parties (excluding parents only in this instance) it's hardly a good idea to rest the complexities of it solely and if at all, on a government, its courts and whatever statue that may or may not exist and/or being applicable in a particular case. Specifically for non-custodial interested parties it's particularly problematic to turn to courts to settle disputes notwithstanding a particular statue , since custodial parties, especially parents, are given enormous latitudes and considerations since they have the rights and obligations of directly raising a child and therefore best situated in determining what's in the best interest of that child.

Lastly, when interested parties verbally fight, either directly or indirectly, that can hardly be expected to achieve the best results possible for the child caught in the middle of it and more often then not it's precisely not the best interest of a child that is the consequence of it. Generally,it's not by accusations and finger pointing, especially in public, that one settles disputes effectively and productively and that is regardless of merit, that way one may or may not get sympathies from people who probably cannot effect a desired outcome while almost surely alienating those who actually can, and that is true not just in custody/visitations cases but just about in any other case and one may only deviate from that general rule at their own peril, if one also chooses to use the courts to settle a dispute one risks to make a bad situation even worse and that is of particular consequence where children are the issue and therefore one should always be mindful of that prospective in considering a particular conduct.

All JMO
 
  • #496
Naw, I took it as he thought everyone thought she was missing, but she really wasn't.

Supposed to be, but really wasn't. KWIM

But how would he know if she was missing or not? If he thinks she ran off, then he has no knowledge of what happened to her. If he knows she is not missing, but something happened to her, then he has knowledge of what went down. Either way it is an odd thing to say.
 
  • #497
Sorry for quoting myself, but I wanted to keep this together.

If you are able to see that her phone was pinging off the same tower for those 30 mins. I mentioned above, then you should also be able to see long DS's phone pinged the same tower. Right?

We have roughly 72 minutes from the time Michelle dropped the twins off until DS gets to his parents at 4:30. (supposedly)

Now I believe it's critical that his cell records are looked at, which I'm sure they have been, BUT If his cell pinged that cell tower for 30 mins or longer there is no way IMO he could've made it to his parents in that afternoon traffic going thru Belle Isle at 25 mph and speed bumps.

If there were someone else at the condo with DS, his phone could've been given to that person, along with the twins and sent on their merry way. Therefore the phone would ping along the route to Sr's which probably showed up at Sr's at 4:30.

There is also another Tower that I'm aware of going West on Hoffner right around the corner from the condos. Both phones should've pinged that tower if they were heading towards Sr's together.

We know Michele's phone pinged the tower on Hoffner AFTER you cross 436 (Semoran Blvd) heading west at 4:26 pm and the Waterford text was sent. So if DS had her phone, obviously he couldn't have made it to Sr's by 4:30.

I'm only using 30 mins as a reference, I do not know how long the phone was there.

Sorry for my rambling.


IIRC and From other cases investigated here example Brittany Drexel

There are two different type of records cell phone company kept logs on

The pinging records are only kept for a short period of time... IIRC its only several days and then it rewritten over.... This records show the towers and locations and directions from the tower is also provided...(North, South,etc.)
The last ping location is always saved if and when the phone quits working.

Then you have Call records for any incoming/outgoing calls. These are permanent records showing tower location and also directional receivers on the towers. Im not sure how long call records are saved... at least a year I think (Casey Anthonys case).

Yep if LE has pinging records for all the players here it would be great.
If this was premeditated....then having the ping records might just show that the phones were off and batteries removed and just sitting on Dale's mother kitchen counter as their last ping....

But it still is telling information if the records were acquired by LE in time and did show

The last Ping location
If they were turned off battery removed and then turned back on.
If the phones were left at one location when the person was somewhere else.

Then of course any call records...during this time. Like how did Dales mom get in contact with Dale that night?
 
  • #498
Do you remember the statement Sr made when WESH showed up at his front door and he said "He was here the whole time she was supposed to be missing" I've never forgotten that statement and thought it was strange he would say it like that.

Sorry I don't have a link, but it was in a video posted on WESH.

ETA: I saw a Hummner just like Michelle's sitting on a car lot today. The windows are much smaller than what they look in the photos we've seen. So IMO, I don't think it would take long at all the take those decals off. But, that's jmo.

And yes, I believe there was more involved then one and maybe they didn't even know they were involved until after the fact?


Maybe "he was here " because Dale Jr's phone was at Dale Sr home.... doesnt prove that Dale Jr was there...

Little things Dale Sr. says may make sense....the word "Suppose to be missing" was because she wasn't missing to him.


When Dale Sr said at the courthouse when Dale jr flew out of the parking lot peeling a wheelie into the crowd of reporters and said...."Well look at little Dale go" like he was so proud of that type of behavior .... was also very telling....
 
  • #499
IMO If LE had ping records of Michelle's iPhone in DSS's kitchen or anywhere else within Dale's personal locations, sometime after he says she dropped off the kids and went on her way, DS would have been arrested. If the phone was turned off whenever and by whomever then a pinging location for that duration is a mute point in pinpointing a particular perp.

Moreover, where a ping may determine a particular location, a series of pings over a a period of time may indicate a trajectory, hence movement from a geographical location toward another, therefore based solely on the fact that DS is the only suspect LE has managed to find to this date, and on the assumption that it's very unlikely for DS to be following MP or transporting her body while at the same time taking the kids to his parents, I would venture to guess that no ping records exist outside of the ones we already know about that would implicate DS and/or any members of his family in her disappearance.
 
  • #500
The other thing, I've reread the documents when he was married to Shannon and I didn't know she told him she wanted a divorce. Then it goes on, he came in from the bar drunk, dragged her outside and beat her head against the railing. This was her statement. Of course, there's more to it, but what caught my eye was the divorce.

Sparky, I wasn't aware of this particular incident but where Dale is concerned I'm not surprised, at least as he was in his younger years perhaps, ... was that statement made to the police? Where there any charges filed? Was there a police report?
 
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