FL FL - Michelle Parker, 33, Orlando, 17 Nov 2011 - #23

[Thor]

IMO There is absolutely no value in bringing up the kids in the context of finding Michelle. The kids have absolutely no probative value insofar that they are truly innocent and therefore IMO should not be brought into this tragedy to the degree possible. I certainly would not want my child's welfare to be a public discussion where any stranger is entitled to an "opinion", there's simply no point to that IMO, it benefits no one and especially not these children. That concept is called privacy, not for the father but for the kids, and I'd be pressed to come up with a single child psychologist, or any child advocate that would find any of these having any relationship whatsoever to truly caring for these children. To then even bringing up the kids in the context of attacking their own father, not to mention the various name calling is something that I can't understand in the context of these poor children not to mention the value of it all. This is only my opinion and I've been wrong before.

Now, just to be clear, there is a very serious and definitive reason why those kids are in their father's custody, and that is because a court having reviewed the facts has found that there are no evidence, conclusive or otherwise, that this father abused these kids or that he's likely to abused them in the future, and that he's capable of parenting his children, and that can be changed only by contradicting facts having factual significance within that legal framework, and not by personal opinions, since any person is assumed to be innocent until proven guilty of something, and that is called "due process", which is not just a legal term per se existing in a vacuum, but the very foundation of that same freedom all or most of us hold so dear, which in this case is exemplified by the freedom of this father (Dale Smith) to parent his own children having been found guilty of nothing that effect both his rights and his capability to raise his children.

Dale Smith will parent his children whether we like it or not, and he will walk free whether we like it or not, until and unless evidence and juries will change that straightforward proposition, and I thought the whole idea was to find those clues and those facts to prove our opinions instead of simply making up slogans that are an end to their own, it's been a while I've come to the conclusion that perhaps I thought wrong.

 

[Jazzmaster]

Actually I believe the children were 31/2 at the time of Michelle's disappearance and they did continue to have some limited contact with their maternal family until after they turned 4 I believe so IMO they will have deep seated memories of their mother, brother and maternal family. You can't just push that down and expect them to forget the trauma that they went through at that time. It may not manifest itself during their childhood years (or maybe it already has but who would know?) but it will likely resurface at some time. And then what? It's their long term mental health that is important here. Not just that they are kids who can play and have fun now. They could have done that just as easily, perhaps even more so, had they been left in the care of their maternal family in the only home they had known up until that point.

If DSJr had not been named the prime suspect in Michelle's disappearance and he had actually been cleared of any involvement, things would be much different. For him, Michelle's family and the children. The fact that he refused to make that happen just reiterates to me that he is responsible and is doing everything he can at this time to try to make it all go away. But any "peace" he thinks he is getting now is only temporary IMO.

I see an uncertain future for these children, and a court system that so far has allowed this to happen. Which is wrong IMO and is one of the reasons why YS is trying to change the way things are done with regards to grandparent's rights in situations like this.

MOO

Very well said Kamille. Josie from the knitting club was saying something VERY similar the other day. She couldn't believe Dale would take his kids away from the ONLY family they ever knew. She is a retired psychologist and was talking about the emotional detachment they MUST be feeling. Buy hey Dale gets to play War of Mercenaries all day while damaging his kids in the process. JMO

 

[Jazzmaster]

Being the tender age of 2 when all of this went down, pretty much makes me think they won't remember any of it unless some one makes them aware later in life. I don't think they will remember that side of the family or her ex's side or any of the life they shared in FL unless, again, someone tells them about it. Moving to another state just added another layer to guarantee they won't remember or anyone saying anything for awhile.

That is sad that they won't get to know about their mom or her family or their half brother and his family. Family is important and it is what these little ones will need growing up. I know they have Dale's family, but they need to know who they are and where they come from. In time, it will come out and at some point they will have to make up their own minds as to what they believe. But for now, they are little and free not to deal with any of it, they can be kids and play and have fun.

Dale and his family are a bunch of LIFE long criminals with a LONG wrap sheet of all kinds of drug and violent crime arrests. Kids model behavior and if Dale's track record is any indication of his present and future then those kids are already being severely damaged with much more to come....We can ONLY imagine what goes on behind closed doors. That is why I think it is extremely important this case gets solved sooner rather than later....to get those children reconnected with the grandparents who know a thing or two about raising children and not acting like one as Dale is STILL doing. Jedi parties? What is he still 12? He needs to grow up and tell what he knows...

That is what keeps me motivated to keep trying to find answers for the benefit of the twinners and for justice for Michelle. NGU!!!! This is all JMO

 

[Kamille]

IMO There is absolutely no value in bringing up the kids in the context of finding Michelle. The kids have absolutely no probative value insofar that they are truly innocent and therefore IMO should not be brought into this tragedy to the degree possible. I certainly would not want my child's welfare to be a public discussion where any stranger is entitled to an "opinion", there's simply no point to that IMO, it benefits no one and especially not these children. That concept is called privacy, not for the father but for the kids, and I'd be pressed to come up with a single child psychologist, or any child advocate that would find any of these having any relationship whatsoever to truly caring for these children. To then even bringing up the kids in the context of attacking their own father, not to mention the various name calling is something that I can't understand in the context of these poor children not to mention the value of it all. This is only my opinion and I've been wrong before.

Now, just to be clear, there is a very serious and definitive reason why those kids are in their father's custody, and that is because a court having reviewed the facts has found that there are no evidence, conclusive or otherwise, that this father abused these kids or that he's likely to abused them in the future, and that he's capable of parenting his children, and that can be changed only by contradicting facts having factual significance within that legal framework, and not by personal opinions, since any person is assumed to be innocent until proven guilty of something, and that is called "due process", which is not just a legal term per se existing in a vacuum, but the very foundation of that same freedom all or most of us hold so dear, which in this case is exemplified by the freedom of this father (Dale Smith) to parent his own children having been found guilty of nothing that effect both his rights and his capability to raise his children.

Dale Smith will parent his children whether we like it or not, and he will walk free whether we like it or not, until and unless evidence and juries will change that straightforward proposition, and I thought the whole idea was to find those clues and those facts to prove our opinions instead of simply making up slogans that are an end to their own, it's been a while I've come to the conclusion that perhaps I thought wrong.

Denying those children visitation and bonding with their maternal family and brother is abuse IMO.

 

[Jazzmaster]

Denying those children visitation and bonding with their maternal family and brother is abuse IMO.

Not to mention the abuse and violence the twinners witnessed while Michelle was still in the picture:

"Court records show a history of domestic violence between the two, including an incident that alleged Smith broke Parker's car window while he was holding their infant daughter."

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com...lle-parker-lost-engagement-ring-dale-smith-jr

What kind of Dad does that? Can't control himself in front of his own children?

 

[Thor]

Denying those children visitation and bonding with their maternal family and brother is abuse IMO.

I've said this before ... anyone who is divorced and have to share parenting of children probably knows from experience how difficult it can be working out visitation schedules, and that is under the best of circumstances, when there's is animosity between the parties the whole process can be truly nightmarish.

Sharing children require the two party to work together, which in turn implies a level of communication that needs to be truly functional and effective, and that must come before any other concerns and personal issues. It can therefore be problematic when the two parties fight each other and it's probably a total disaster when such issues are played out in the public square, and here I go back to the idea that children must be kept above it all, and certainly not in the media, certainly not in t-shirts, and certainly not in any other type of grandstanding from all sides.

I had predicated way before it actually happened that eventually Dale would have left the state, because I would have done the same only sooner actually I would have probably left the country entirely since there would be no way that I would have allowed my children to be the objects of tv shows, general media speculation, and any Jack, Bill and Harry personal opinions, my children would have been my concern, duty and responsibility and no one else ... period

Now one must hope that at some point these two families will come together for the benefit of those kids, and that will likely not happen under the circumstances present today, not when accusations are front and center and certainly not when the principal point is something else other then the children and that may take time and a lot of work on both sides because a lot of damage has already been done.

Dale will be charged or not charged, he's either guilty or not guilty, but that is the concern of those in charge of the investigation or some clever sleuth here (who knows) but the two families should stop fighting each other because it's self evident that such an undertaking does not benefit the kids at all, although I can surely anticipate all those opinions about how this whole thing with the kids is Dale's fault and no one else, obviously, and that kind of thinking is part of the problem and not the solution where those children are concerned.

JMO

 

[Jazzmaster]

I've said this before ... anyone who is divorced and have to share parenting of children probably knows from experience how difficult it can be working out visitation schedules, and that is under the best of circumstances, when there's is animosity between the parties the whole process can be truly nightmarish.

Sharing children require the two party to work together, which in turn implies a level of communication that needs to be truly functional and effective, and that must come before any other concerns and personal issues. It can therefore be problematic when the two parties fight each other and it's probably a total disaster when such issues are played out in the open, and here I go back to the idea that children must be kept above it all, and certainly not in the media, certainly not in t-shirts, and certainly not in any other type of grandstanding from all sides.

I had predicated way before it actually happened that eventually Dale would have left the state, because I would have done the same only sooner and most certainly out of the country since there would be no way that I would have allowed my children to be the objects of tv shows, general media speculation, and any Jack, Bill and Harry personal opinions, my children would have been my concern, duty and responsibility and no one else ... period

Now one must hope that at some point these two parties here will come together for the benefit of those kids, and that will likely not happen under the circumstances present today, not when accusations are front and center and certainly not when the principal point is something else other then the children and that may take time and a lot of work on both sides because a lot of damage has already been done.

Dale will be charged or not charged, he's either guilty or not guilty, but that will be factually established by those in charge or some clever sleuth here (who knows) but the two families should stop fighting each other because it's self evident that such an undertaking does not benefit the kids at all, although I can surely anticipate all those opinions about how this whole thing with the kids is Dale's fault an no one else, and that kind of thinking is part of the problem and not the solution where those children are concerned.

JMO

Well I think it would go a long way if Dale were to answer the questions he has been asked from the VERY onset of Michelle's disappearance: what happened that day? HE KNOWS!!! He is NOT innocent and though it has not been proven by evidence...as of YET...Dale MOST certainly played some role in her disappearance.

His lack of cooperation from the beginning to this very day tells us all we need to know. Now if Dale were to reach out to Michelle's family and clarify what happened...maybe shed some light on what REALLY went on that day...then and only then can reconciliation begin. Dale owes this to his children. What kind of dad takes away EVERYTHING those children knew? A selfish CARELESS, irresponsible father does that. Based on his wrap sheet he has already proven himself to be an unfit father. I will continue praying for those children's safety and reunion with their kind and loving family who miss them terribly. All JMO

 

[Kamille]

I've said this before ... anyone who is divorced and have to share parenting of children probably knows from experience how difficult it can be working out visitation schedules, and that is under the best of circumstances, when there's is animosity between the parties the whole process can be truly nightmarish.

Sharing children require the two party to work together, which in turn implies a level of communication that needs to be truly functional and effective, and that must come before any other concerns and personal issues. It can therefore be problematic when the two parties fight each other and it's probably a total disaster when such issues are played out in the open, and here I go back to the idea that children must be kept above it all, and certainly not in the media, certainly not in t-shirts, and certainly not in any other type of grandstanding from all sides.

I had predicated way before it actually happened that eventually Dale would have left the state, because I would have done the same only sooner and most certainly out of the country since there would be no way that I would have allowed my children to be the objects of tv shows, general media speculation, and any Jack, Bill and Harry personal opinions, my children would have been my concern, duty and responsibility and no one else ... period

Now one must hope that at some point these two parties here will come together for the benefit of those kids, and that will likely not happen under the circumstances present today, not when accusations are front and center and certainly not when the principal point is something else other then the children and that may take time and a lot of work on both sides because a lot of damage has already been done.

Dale will be charged or not charged, he's either guilty or not guilty, but that will be factually established by those in charge or some clever sleuth here (who knows) but the two families should stop fighting each other because it's self evident that such an undertaking does not benefit the kids at all, although I can surely anticipate all those opinions about how this whole thing with the kids is Dale's fault an no one else, and that is precisely the problem and not the solution.

JMO

BBM

When both sides have attorneys to work out agreements and schedules there should be no problem. Adults are expected to know that they have to put their issues with each other aside and do what's best for the children. Michelle was trying to do that prior to her disappearance. And that was the situation here with her family after her disappearance. An agreement was supposed to have been worked out as per DSJr's own attorney. DSJr selfishly reneged on it. Picked up his toys and left the sandbox so to speak. And then took his toys to another state to make sure no one else could play with them. Because IMO only, those children are just possessions or "toys" to him. He has no regard whatsoever for their welfare or overall mental heath. To suggest that what he's done both on and since November 17th, 2011 has been in their best interests in any way is ludicrous. Particularly what he did on November 17th, 2011 at around 3:20pm.

MOO

 

[Jazzmaster]

BBM

When both sides have attorneys to work out agreements and schedules there should be no problem. Adults are expected to know that they have to put their issues with each other aside and do what's best for the children. Michelle was trying to do that prior to her disappearance. And that was the situation here with her family after her disappearance. An agreement was supposed to have been worked out as per DSJr's own attorney. DSJr selfishly reneged on it. Picked up his toys and left the sandbox so to speak. And then took his toys to another state to make sure no one else could play with them. Because IMO only, those children are just possessions or "toys" to him. He has no regard whatsoever for their welfare or overall mental heath. To suggest that what he's done both on and since November 17th, 2011 has been in their best interests in any way is ludicrous. Particularly what he did on November 17th, 2011 at around 3:20pm.

MOO

Well any innocent person in his right mind would have bent over backwards to clear his name if they were implicated in any crime such as this. The fact that Dale has chosen to be silent tells us who was involved in Michelle's disappearance.

 

[Thor]

BBM

When both sides have attorneys to work out agreements and schedules there should be no problem. Adults are expected to know that they have to put their issues with each other aside and do what's best for the children. Michelle was trying to do that prior to her disappearance. And that was the situation here with her family after her disappearance. An agreement was supposed to have been worked out as per DSJr's own attorney. DSJr selfishly reneged on it. Picked up his toys and left the sandbox so to speak. And then took his toys to another state to make sure no one else could play with them. Because IMO only, those children are just possessions or "toys" to him. He has no regard whatsoever for their welfare or overall mental heath. To suggest that what he's done both on and since November 17th, 2011 has been in their best interests in any way is ludicrous. Particularly what he did on November 17th, 2011 at around 3:20pm.

MOO

Now, I have not said at all that what has been done so far is in the kids' best interest at all, quite the contrary, and what happened on Nov 17th, 2011 should have no relevance where the kids are concerned unless it's established that Dale was responsible for what happened then, something that as of today is not the case at all, that being a fact and not a personal opinion.

Again, the kids should be set separately from any other issue and should have been front and center, insofar that they're used in the context of a murder investigation as yet another exhibit to attack Dale that is at least part of the reason of this sorry state of affair, I would have not allowed it under any circumstances and therefore I fully understand Dale doing the same. JMO

Lastly, since you have brought up being represented by lawyers in the context of a visitation issue, (outside of the fact that lawyers cannot guarantee a good outcome and sometimes may even make matter worse) I would be surprised that anything of consequence can be established in terms of custodial issues and visitation rights when there are instances of disparaging between the parties, it's not uncommon that as a condition of visitation and custody the party must agree to not disparage each other, and accusing the other party of murder, and doing so in public, and now via a lawsuit doesn't strike me as an example of such a restraint however understandable that might or might not be depending of one's personal opinion. And I don't think that laying the foundation to have that level of cooperation that enables parties to work out visitation schedules means treating kids as objects, quite the contrary, it means putting the kids first JMO

 

[Kamille]

Now, I have not said at all that what has been done so far is in the kids' best interest at all, quite the contrary, and what happened on Nov 17th, 2011 should have no relevance where the kids are concerned unless it's established that Dale was responsible for what happened then, something that as of today is not the case at all, that being a fact and not a personal opinion.

Again, the kids should be set separately from any other issue and should have been front and center, insofar that they're used in the context of a murder investigation as yet another exhibit to attack Dale that is at least part of the reason of this sorry state of affair, I would have not allowed it under any circumstances and therefore I fully understand Dale doing the same. JMO

Lastly, since you have brought up being represented by lawyers in the context of a visitation issue, (outside of the fact that lawyers cannot guarantee a good good outcome and sometimes may make matter worse) I would be surprised that anything of consequence can be established in terms of custodial issues and visitation rights when there are instances of disparaging between the parties, it's not uncommon that as a condition of visitation and custody the party must agree to not disparage each other, and publicly accusing the other party of murder, and doing so in public, and now via a lawsuit doesn't strike me as an example of such a restraint, however understandable that might or might not be depending of one's personal opinion. JMO

All references to DSJr being responsible for Michelle's disappearance/death by the family were done after he stopped allowing visitation as far as I know. Even though LE had named him a prime suspect. LE were pointing the finger at him, not the family. So since he basically stopped "blackmailing them into silence" by threatening to withhold visitation and just went ahead and did it anyway, naturally the family is going to voice their true feelings about what they believe. The civil lawsuit is just an extension of that IMO.

And who in the investigation has used the children to attack DSJr? :waitasec:

MOO

 

[Thor]

All references to DSJr being responsible for Michelle's disappearance/death by the family were done after he stopped allowing visitation as far as I know. Even though LE had named him a prime suspect. LE were pointing the finger at him, not the family. So since he basically stopped "blackmailing them into silence" by threatening to withhold visitation and just went ahead and did it anyway, naturally the family is going to voice their true feelings about what they believe. The civil lawsuit is just an extension of that IMO.

And who in the investigation has used the children to attack DSJr? :waitasec:

MOO

It is not uncommon in this case that facts and opinions are indistinguishable from one another and eventually melt into one single undeniable proof that Dale is pure evil, personally I have no clues what transpired between the parties and so I suspect of just about everyone else, only that having heard from a single source and from a single point of view one might very well choose what they want to believe or not believe. However, my point was not to take sides, and I believe there is plenty of blame here to go around where the issue is these children, my point was and still is that the children are a private matter not an issue for tv shows, t-shirts and opinions of strangers, much less as exhibits of wrong doings against Dale in any context outside of a legitimate investigation, and that the two parties should take the issue of the kids out from the public sphere and work out their difference to the extent that might be still possible, something that by now is at the very least questionable. Insofar that this whole thing is approached in the matter we have witnessed so far, this is not in the best interest of these children, and will be in all likelihood to the their detriment. JMO

 

[Kamille]

It is not uncommon in this case that facts and opinions are indistinguishable from one another and eventually melt into one single undeniable proof that Dale is pure evil, personally I have no clues what transpired between the parties and so I suspect of just about everyone else, only that having heard from a single source and from a single point of view one might very well choose what they want to believe or not believe. However, my point was not to take sides, and I believe there is plenty of blame here to go around where the issue is these children, my point was and still is that the children are a private matter not an issue for tv shows, t-shirts and opinions of strangers, much less as exhibits against Dale outside of a legitimate investigation, and that the two parties should take the issue of the kids out from the public sphere and work out their difference to the extent that might be still possible, something that by now is at the very least questionable. Insofar that this whole thing is approached in the matter we have witnessed so far, this is not in the best interest of these children, not by a long shot and will all likelihood be to the their detriment. JMO

The only person who can and could have worked out anything in the best interests of the children is DSJr and he chooses/chose not to.

I am not aware of the children's privacy being invaded by being on t-shirts or tv shows. And this is a discussion forum about criminal investigations. Naturally in this case, the children, and their father's behaviour regarding them, are going to be a topic of discussion considering that Michelle disappeared while dropping them off to their father, the only prime suspect in her disappearance/death as named by LE. A fact that keeps getting disregarded when discussing what likely happened on November 17th, 2011. And a designation that is repeatedly reinforced by LE and in every subsequent news article on this case.

Not to mention that it's possible that having those children all to himself could have been a motivating factor behind the disappearance/death of their mother and that issue might very well come up should this case go to trial.

MOO

 

[Thor]

The only person who can and could have worked out anything in the best interests of the children is DSJr and he chooses/chose not to.

I am not aware of the children's privacy being invaded by being on t-shirts or tv shows. And this is a discussion forum about criminal investigations. Naturally in this case, the children, and their father's behaviour regarding them, are going to be a topic of discussion considering that Michelle disappeared while dropping them off to their father, the only prime suspect in her disappearance/death as named by LE. A fact that keeps getting disregarded when discussing what likely happened on November 17th, 2011. And a designation that is repeatedly reinforced by LE and in every subsequent news article on this case.

Not to mention that it's possible that having those children all to himself could have been a motivating factor behind the disappearance/death of their mother and that issue might very well come up should this case go to trial.

MOO

Ok Kamille, I will agree to disagree and I will keep my peace now on this issue since I've posted considerably more then I had originally intended or that was otherwise necessary, if my point did not come across convincing to some, most or all people here it surely never will, besides, as I said, I've been wrong before. Be well.

 

[flourish]

So...back to Michelle...

I've been following this one since that first awful November day. What a beautiful, vivacious young woman.

To reiterate some of my thoughts from about 22 threads ago along with the newer ones...

• I realize it is easy to make fun of sci-fi geeks. But I don't see how, if at all, Dale's hobby is relevant to Michelle's disappearance. And honestly, aren't there actions of Dale's more worthy of criticism? Some folks knit, some folks dress up like a Stormtrooper, let us accept and move on, ffs lease:
• The death of his first wife has haunted me since I heard about it. Obviously, I don't know if the impression i have of what happened is actually correct, but geez my impression of how her death went down is ghastly!
• I watched the aired portion of the "People's Court" episode. I was a big Judge Milian fan until that day. I haven't watched it since--I thought the judge was rude and unfair to both of them. In any case, I could see how Dale's ego, which appears to me to be of the easily-bruised variety, (just my guess but I see a wounded, frail self-esteem behind that arrogant, shirtless swagger--not that I'm particularly sympathetic to the guy, because he seems like a real &#*¥, but as pointed out just up thread, his family of origin isn't the epitome of functional) was hammered during the taping of that episode, but with the adrenaline and rush of being on TV, Dale didn't really "see" how humiliating it was until he viewed the episode, particularly knowing lots of people also saw it. IMO, that was a last straw for him, and I think he killed her. Although, of course, I reckon more people have seen that episode now than ever would have before, but I don't figure impulse-control and thinking things through are Dale's strongest areas.
• I do worry for the children. I'm of the opinion that these children's maternal family would be positive and beneficial for them, and it saddens me to hear they don't have contact. And while I personally cringe knowing that these little ones are being raised by the man who I feel most likely killed their mother, I would imagine if DHS felt the children weren't safe, the children wouldn't be there. Not that this is any comfort, but I see Dale as cowardly wife-beater who doesn't want to look like a wuss and knows hurting children makes him look like a wuss. So does hurting women, but I don't think he ever accepted that notion. Idk, JMO, all that...rip it to shreds

:seeya:

 

[Jazzmaster]

Well knitting is quite a healthy hobby. Dressing up like a storm trooper when it's not Halloween just shows a level of immaturity IMO. It was also a point of contention between Michelle and Dale....on the PC epsiode he probably saw how Michelle REALLY felt about his Star Wars shenanigans as she and the judge were making fun of his childish "hobby" and Michelle was rightfully rolling her eyes when they were discussing it.

I would guess this was one of the motives for her disappearance. She was unable to accept his hobby and behaviors while making a jackass of himself while he was at these Star Wars parties. Have you seen the pictures on his FB and in other places? His immaturity, violence, and irresponsible behavior as a father, probably made her regret having met him. She too feared for her life and we can now see why...

Now here we stand almost two years later and Jedi Scout is still a free man. He got what he wanted...sole custody of the twinners....no child support payments....and no Michelle in his life. What a man...insert my eye roll.

His first wife escaped. She must thank G-d EVERY single day. Wife number 2 Shannon wasn't so lucky. I believe Dale played a HUGE part in her death. Just ask Shannon's family what they believe...now his 3rd wife to be (ex fiancé) goes missing? Where there is smoke there's fire and Dale is definitively a flamer with this one. JMHO. Lightning doesn't strike twice but with two missing/dead exes it somehow did with Dale?

I hope the civil trial will bring out more of what happened on Nov 17, 2011. Maybe Dale will finally try to prove his innocence and answer <modsnip> questions...we shall see! I can't imagine how painful it must be for BP, GP, YS, & the rest of the family. They DESERVE answers. Hopefully with the civil case they will finally get some! All JMO here.

 

[Eileen730]

Well I think it would go a long way if Dale were to answer the questions he has been asked from the VERY onset of Michelle's disappearance: what happened that day? HE KNOWS!!! He is NOT innocent and though it has not been proven by evidence...as of YET...Dale MOST certainly played some role in her disappearance.

His lack of cooperation from the beginning to this very day tells us all we need to know. Now if Dale were to reach out to Michelle's family and clarify what happened...maybe shed some light on what REALLY went on that day...then and only then can reconciliation begin. Dale owes this to his children. What kind of dad takes away EVERYTHING those children knew? A selfish CARELESS, irresponsible father does that. Based on his wrap sheet he has already proven himself to be an unfit father. I will continue praying for those children's safety and reunion with their kind and loving family who miss them terribly. All JMO

Personally I feel anyone that is associated with a missing person should be made to undergo polygraphs and whatever tests or interrogations necessary that will help find this person. Its not fair that that in most of these cases it a loved one or an ex loved one that responsible and they are allowed to remain silent when the entire world knows they are responsible. It just makes no sense to me. Laws need to be changed and POI and suspects should not be allowed to hide behind the law and a lawyer. I think it time to change that law from innocent till proven guilty to Guilty now prove to me you didn't do it.
Anyone that has committed a crime will not say they did nor offer up info so we wait and wait 5 10 15 sometimes 30 years for someone walking in the woods to find a skeleton.
Strangers dump bodies along the road Loved ones hide them.

Sorry for the rant! She needs to be found and I get really sick over reading all the missing women that vanish after last contact with significant others!

 

[Jazzmaster]

Personally I feel anyone that is associated with a missing person should be made to undergo polygraphs and whatever tests or interrogations necessary that will help find this person. Its not fair that that in most of these cases it a loved one or an ex loved one that responsible and they are allowed to remain silent when the entire world knows they are responsible. It just makes no sense to me. Laws need to be changed and POI and suspects should not be allowed to hide behind the law and a lawyer. I think it time to change that law from innocent till proven guilty to Guilty now prove to me you didn't do it.
Anyone that has committed a crime will not say they did nor offer up info so we wait and wait 5 10 15 sometimes 30 years for someone walking in the woods to find a skeleton.
Strangers dump bodies along the road Loved ones hide them.

Sorry for the rant! She needs to be found and I get really sick over reading all the missing women that vanish after last contact with significant others!

No need to apologize! :goodpost: Some on here believe that because Dale was good at hiding Michelle and he hasn't been charged with anything he deserves the twinners. I completely disagree Dale should have to prove his innocence. You shouldn't be allowed to be a prime suspect in a murder/disappearance and STILL have custody of minor children. Grandparents have rights too!

 

[Skully]

The way to find someone's killer and get him or her behind bars is to find the body. JMO Well, sometimes you find the body but not the killer. I am following a 20 yr old murder of a 12 yr old girl, Jennifer Odom, and they still don't have the killer. One of the men who they talked to 4 months after the killing, at some point moved to Alaska, is that far away enough from FL for ya? They had a lake search for evidence only last week. They came up empty but they are still looking for that evidence to put someone away. That is what it will take now for this case to get solved, unless, the killer told someone what he did.

Keep looking for her body, this link has lots of really good information if you are out searching. If you don't know what you are looking at, you could walk right over a grave, or pass up the body, not realizing what you are seeing.

http://sarti.us/sarti/reference.php

 

[Skully]

Personally I feel anyone that is associated with a missing person should be made to undergo polygraphs and whatever tests or interrogations necessary that will help find this person. Its not fair that that in most of these cases it a loved one or an ex loved one that responsible and they are allowed to remain silent when the entire world knows they are responsible. It just makes no sense to me. Laws need to be changed and POI and suspects should not be allowed to hide behind the law and a lawyer. I think it time to change that law from innocent till proven guilty to Guilty now prove to me you didn't do it.
Anyone that has committed a crime will not say they did nor offer up info so we wait and wait 5 10 15 sometimes 30 years for someone walking in the woods to find a skeleton.
Strangers dump bodies along the road Loved ones hide them.

Sorry for the rant! She needs to be found and I get really sick over reading all the missing women that vanish after last contact with significant others!

I understand your frustration but I am not willing to give up one more personal right I have in this country. We lost lots of freedom due to 9/11 and other terrorist acts and I am fighting to keep the few I have left. Keep in mind polygraphs are only 60 to 80% correct. Innocent people fail polygraphs too, so it is a tool, but not a reliable one. That's why they don't allow them in a court of law. We are still innocent until proven guilty and I like it that way.