FL - Sarah Boone, 42, charged with murdering boyfriend Jorge Torres, 42, by leaving him locked in suitcase, Winter Park, Feb 2020 #2

[Trebor5591]

I am in and out of this thread and may have missed if this was discussed earlier, but in the below video of case attorneys discussing motions, Sarah Boone's attorney is saying "When she testifies about this" and "When she testifies about that", so I guess it is confirmed that Sarah Boone is going to testify at her trial.

 

[Seattle1]

I am in and out of this thread and may have missed if this was discussed earlier, but in the below video of case attorneys discussing motions, Sarah Boone's attorney is saying "When she testifies about this" and "When she testifies about that", so I guess it is confirmed that Sarah Boone is going to testify at her trial.

^^bbm

I thought this was established when SB's defense Motioned that they intended to claim BSS at the 11th hour, without satisfying the pre-requisites, leaving no choice but for SB's testimony to provide the alleged evidence to the jurors. As of this day, we still don't know what evidence the defense hopes to admit via SB's testimony! MOO

 

[arielilane]

I am in and out of this thread and may have missed if this was discussed earlier, but in the below video of case attorneys discussing motions, Sarah Boone's attorney is saying "When she testifies about this" and "When she testifies about that", so I guess it is confirmed that Sarah Boone is going to testify at her trial.

I wasn't listening in, but it is never guaranteed a defendant is going to testify (until they actually testify in a court of law) until it is confirmed with the judge, and this happens toward end of trial, usually after all defense witnesses have testified. jmo

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

So here's my take on the Defense.

They're going to bring in Dr. Harper who will sat SB suffered from BSS but didn't even know it. That JT has a history of drinking and violence and that everything was fine on the night in question until JT poked his fingers through the gap in the suitcase, marks on his hand are consistent with the bat, and that fearing his escape, SB acted in self-defense.

I'm sure they asked their witness TO FIND anything they could use. But how is GOING TO BED an act of self-defense?

If the charge was bodily assault (SB taking a bat to his hand to prevent him exiting the suitcase, we could argue that the use of the bat was self-defense.

But leaving him alone in a suitcase she herself said she thought he could exit, how does going to bed support a BSS/self-defense defense?????

It makes no sense.

She didn't kill him with the baseball bat. She didn't kill him because she thought he was about to get out and come after her.

She left him in the suitcase to teach him a lesson. He died while being restrained against his will. Not in response to self-defense.

This trial can't be over soon enough.

JMO

Here's what I'll bet she's going to say:

That SB intended to tease JT but then realised due to his threats and his fingers coming out that she was at risk. At which point her BSS kicked in, she went into a panicky dissociative state / alter personality, battered him around and then passed out in a narcoleptic fugue state from this mental health episode break. When she woke up she remembered nothing of any of it and was confused as the last thing she recalled was playing hide & seek. A lot of BS in my opinion.

 

[sasha17]

When Sarah is eventually found guilty, she will appeal based on ineffective assistance of counsel IMO. This whole thing is wild.

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

I was hoping the Judge would rule out BSS and self defense because IMO that just mucks up what really happened. Hopefully the jurors see past this.

In a way, it's probably best the judge stays very open to all things so that the ground work isn't laid for SB to claim unfair trial and then an appeal... all that rigmarole again.

IMO, someone with SB's thinking style would be convinced that the plea deal wasn't in her favour and she'd believe being 'only' offered 15 years means the prosecution don't have a solid case. Narcissists, they're in a constant state of assessing and gambling situations, they think fairness or kindness is weakness and that everyone's out to deceived them and get them (as they indeed are out to get everyone else).

If the state had offered 38 years with a chance of parole after 30 or something like that, she'd have believed they have a solid case against her. But because they said 15 years on 85% (and maybe down to 65% if the rules revert back in Florida) she thinks that means they don't have what it takes to convict her. So now her mind set is probably 'hahaha you already proved you don't have what it takes so I'm going all the way'.

 

[nodamselindistress]

I am no longer sure that SB even believes she will get acquitted, I am starting to believe she knows she is going down and all she really cares about at this point is her 15 minutes of fame. She is milking this process for everything she can get. She got her suits to wear during trial, and she has flats she slips on when she arrives and discards her jailhouse slides. I am expecting she will be asking for cake and ice cream soon.

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

I am no longer sure that SB even believes she will get acquitted, I am starting to believe she knows she is going down and all she really cares about at this point is her 15 minutes of fame. She is milking this process for everything she can get. She got her suits to wear during trial, and she has flats she slips on when she arrives and discards her jailhouse slides. I am expecting she will be asking for cake and ice cream soon.

Haha maybe! I think if SB thought she was going down, she's taking everyone with her. She'd be wanting lawyers struck off, police officers sacked, court staff charged with violating her rights, jurors dismissed, the judge dis-barred... on and on. IMO it hasn't sunk in her mind that she's caused JT's death yet. I think she perceived it more like he took his own life or died as if by magic incidental to their game of hide and seek. Her role in all this is bewildering to her.

 

[tlcya]

I cannot imagine an instance where SB would elect NOT to testify on her own behalf. She thinks she is smarter than everyone else, including the jury MOO. Of course she will want to take center stage, after all, this is all about her and we have seen evidence throughout this case that she enjoys being the center of attention all eyes on her and trying to run things. On the stand she will have that chance in spades. JMO

 

[nodamselindistress]

Haha maybe! I think if SB thought she was going down, she's taking everyone with her. She'd be wanting lawyers struck off, police officers sacked, court staff charged with violating her rights, jurors dismissed, the judge dis-barred... on and on. IMO it hasn't sunk in her mind that she's caused JT's death yet. I think she perceived it more like he took his own life or died as if by magic incidental to their game of hide and seek. Her role in all this is bewildering to her.

That is all coming, stay tuned

 

[arielilane]

@cathyrusson

Jury selection resumed this afternoon. 3 of the 53 qualified jurors were a no-show today. One juror said he couldn't be impartial due to the stress of his job. Another was excused for an unknown reason. Voir dire began with 48 qualified jurors. The state is questioning them now. #SarahBoone


3:26 PM · Oct 16, 2024

https://twitter.com/x/status/1846633888673583532

 

[I am not Sherlock H.]

When Sarah is eventually found guilty, she will appeal based on ineffective assistance of counsel IMO. This whole thing is wild.

One element that might be important to any argument of such is the large cadre and turnstile of possible defense attorneys and counsel that SB exhaustively consumed before the case went to trial. IIUC this was in no small part through her actions alone. IMO this defendant deserves no particular sympathy, nor should any appellate request grant such if requested. IANAL. MOO

 

[Seattle1]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1846627810938703919

 

[Megnut]

I am in and out of this thread and may have missed if this was discussed earlier, but in the below video of case attorneys discussing motions, Sarah Boone's attorney is saying "When she testifies about this" and "When she testifies about that", so I guess it is confirmed that Sarah Boone is going to testify at her trial.

^^bbm

I thought this was established when SB's defense Motioned that they intended to claim BSS at the 11th hour, without satisfying the pre-requisites, leaving no choice but for SB's testimony to provide the alleged evidence to the jurors. As of this day, we still don't know what evidence the defense hopes to admit via SB's testimony! MOO

This is where it gets spun 'round the salad spinner and shot out though--

The Defense can't bring in their expert until they satisfy the judge as to self-defense (and the precipitating overt act) so the Defense is going to have to do that before the Defense rests.

I do think the Defense is playing fast and loose with SB testifying because IMO she'd be a disaster for them when the State chews her up. I think what they mean by 'SB testifying' is 'their case' which they aren't required to present but are pretending to (similar to every defense motion that refers to the defendant but actually means the lawyers defending the defendant). So the State has to fight the invisible foe -- as if SB is actually going to testify.

I predict as the Defense cobbles together their strategy, at a point they'll say they've established self-defense and overt act and want to call their expert without ever calling SB. They'll say she has the right not to testify.

Gaming.

JMO

 

[Seattle1]

I'm not believing this alleged evidence by the defense of a "battered hand of JT" whatsoever for BSS. Especially since we never heard of this until today! Where is the bat? Is there evidence on the bat itself? IMO, Dude Owens is really stretching this defense. I think SB better share her popcorn with him. JMO

 

[Megnut]

Maybe I too don't understand how Hide-n-Seek is played, in particular as a two-person game. But I'm pretty sure it's over pretty quickly if the Seeker hides the Hider.

How is that Hide-n-Seek?

Hide-n-ThatWasQuickIFoundYouExactlyWhereIHidYou.

(I wouldn't be surprised if that was the ruse SB used however. Not actual Hide-n-Seek with hiding and seeking but SB telling JT it would be fun to play, hiding, getting found, then telling him to hide in the suitcase, then quickly zipping him in. It's not a game, SB, if it's aTRICK, especially one designed to trap another person. You know what's another word for 'trap another person'? Kidnapping. Restrained against one's will.)

Trap-n-LeaveWithoutAir is no game, it was never a game, but to SB everything is a game.

Including two bags of chips and a Poptart. Something for nothing.

JMO

Judge says people clothes. She says skiry. He says pants. She says skirt. He says ankle unit. Along comes trial, she wears skirt, IMO with an air of victory. She thinks she beat the judge. Like I said, with her, IMO it's all a game. Where the rules are in her head and only in her head, no logic to them. In that candyland of nonsense, she always wins.

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

I'm not believing this alleged evidence by the defense of a "battered hand of JT" whatsoever for BSS. Especially since we never heard of this until today! Where is the bat? Is there evidence on the bat itself? IMO, Dude Owens is really stretching this defense. I think SB better share her popcorn with him. JMO

I think there was a baseball bat located down stairs and it had JT's blood on it. SB mentioned none of this until the evidence was declared. In fact she said she assumed JT could get out of the case when she went to bed as there was a place he could get his fingers out of the zip.

Now she's done a 180 turn on her story and is trying to have us believe she was so terrified when she saw his fingers coming out that she bashed them with the baseball bat [and then left him to die...].

JT also had 'cylindrical' wound marks across his back which I assume is hinting at the bat was used to beat him around his body. She's a piece of work, as we know, and the defence trying to concoct a defence around her ever shifting stories that change in reaction to evidence presented is overt deception IMO.

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

Maybe I too don't understand how Hide-n-Seek is played, in particular as a two-person game. But I'm pretty sure it's over pretty quickly if the Seeker hides the Hider.

How is that Hide-n-Seek?

Hide-n-ThatWasQuickIFoundYouExactlyWhereIHidYou.

(I wouldn't be surprised if that was the ruse SB used however. Not actual Hide-n-Seek with hiding and seeking but SB telling JT it would be fun to play, hiding, getting found, then telling him to hide in the suitcase, then quickly zipping him in. It's not a game, SB, if it's aTRICK, especially one designed to trap another person. You know what's another word for 'trap another person'? Kidnapping. Restrained against one's will.)

Trap-n-LeaveWithoutAir is no game, it was never a game, but to SB everything is a game.

Including two bags of chips and a Poptart. Something for nothing.

JMO

Judge says people clothes. She says skiry. He says pants. She says skirt. He says ankle unit. Along comes trial, she wears skirt, IMO with an air of victory. She thinks she beat the judge. Like I said, with her, IMO it's all a game. Where the rules are in her head and only in her head, no logic to them. In that candyland of nonsense, she always wins.

I agree, it's all game play with her. Each interaction for SB is in terms of 'how can I immediately dominate and control this moment / person / narrative'. She has no concept of the long term, the bigger picture, and she has absolutely no conscience or shame IMO.

 

[JosieMae]

So where are we at the end of today? Anyone know?

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

So where are we at the end of today? Anyone know?

The state prosecution team -versus- SB's legal defence team are still putting forward motions and objections to the Judge. These were not all resolved today and will continue I guess tomorrow.

The jury has not been finalised but has been narrowed down and some selected jurors have withdrawn or been dismissed on various grounds, including one who has tested positive for covid. So there is also an ongoing discussion re whether the other jurors have been exposed to covid and might get sick or whether they need to be given more space / distance.

Some people think the case will start proper by Friday but that's a bit optimistic IMO.