FL - Somer Thompson, 7, Orange Park, 19 Oct 2009 #23

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  • #421
This is what I KNOW.. ST spoke to me about 5 children (before somers murder). He told me that she had two and they had three. So five. As far as I know (and he said as far as he knows) ST had three bio kids, AT and the twins...

Sad, you don't have to justify any of it to me...I realize the number of kids involved. You made the murky very clear.

Having said that....it seems there's a - shall we say "disconnect" - between the 4 siblings living with DT....meaning between the OLDEST sibling and the younger 3 (that are now 2)....

The oldest has lived thru a lot more with his mom then the others needless to say since we don't know when the 2nd born left the situation - but we know they did) so he's seen one other sibling come and go (that 2nd born that does not live with DT)...and now Somer.

Not sure if anyone's smelling what I'm stepping in...

Anyways, I was asking houndstooth about their angle - wondering if they had one or was it just to confirm the # of kids.

Oh me oh my....it's noon somewhere right gang? (as 5 oclock is much too late to wait LOL)
 
  • #422
I have lots of time to look at this site because we have all of our married children going to the in-laws on holidays. We don't like to cause our kids to be stressed out because they have to please families, so we all get together on Sunday instead.

Works for us. It's the time with the family, not the particular day.

I hope others have time to put out their theories.
 
  • #423
Tara.. please enjoy a glass for me.. yes its five oclock somewhere, but I have to drive later!!!!

Happy Holidays!!!!
 
  • #424
O/T
Human,
As I watch my son and his fam try to fit in everyone on holidays... me, his dad, his in laws, I appreciate your post... this yr I told him not to worry about me, but sunday is a great idea!!! NO the day does not matter... thank you!
 
  • #425
FWIW, background check I've seen on DT list both her 1st and 3rd marriages as STATE OF MARRIAGE: TX.

Then ST's address shows Copperas Cove, Tx .... that's right besides Fort Hood, and DT's address shows Killeen, Tx and that is on the other side of Fort Hood.

I'm curious if they lived together in both addresses while married, or separated and each lived on either side of the military post. Or if they lived at those addresses before they got married.

Life is complicated.

I've been around posts, and I know that many times a person divorces a military member to marry another military member. Could explain the 1st and 3rd marriage being in Texas?
 
  • #426
Mornin Everyone....

Happy Thanksgiving - tho it's just another day here in Canada, I know most all of you are busy and amongst friends & family - where you should be.

Sad, IIRC none of the details about the workers has been released by LE - when the search of the house started said they were doing so based on the last known whereabouts of Somer (I will look for back-up of that, since I'm not busy like the rest of you - cooking and baking and such today) - ETA: Found it: We do not know obviously how this ties in to the crime scene, but since it's the last known area where Somer was seen, we have obtained permission from the homeowner to go in and process it through FDLE's crime lab", said Mary Justino with the Clay County Sheriff's Department.

But AMW touched on the subject of the workers:

[snipped...]A child had seen Somer on the sidewalk in front of a vacant home where there was a house fire a few months ago.

The home at 1080 Gano Ave.in Orange Park, Fla. is only 500-600 yards from Grove Park Elementary where Somer was in the second grade.

There had been a fire at the house and workers were there remodeling it. The workers said Somer walked inside the fence around the home and even spoke to them.

But then, they say, she left. That was the last known siting of Somer alive
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I've not heard anyone say what time the workers left that day....

Hope this helps.

ETA - Link to video of reporter claiming to have just spoke to a man over the phone named Kyle who claims he was the last person to seen HER alive - says he was at this home Monday afternoon and Somer ran up.....: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4379785&postcount=375

"There had been a fire at the house and workers were there remodeling it. The workers said Somer walked inside the fence around the home and even spoke to them."

So she went inside the gate and around the house? That implies the back of the house to me. I don't get why she did that, unless she had done that in the past.

I don't think as a child, I would have ever gone up to an empty house myself to look around. Not alone. Does anyone think a child would do that? I still think she was lured there, but then the quote says, "workers." I can't see them being in league together, unless there were only 2. Could three or more weirdos be there together? I know anything is possible.

John Walsh said that it might be a killer who did it before. Is that for real or just sensationalism? That seems to let out a high school kid if that's true, unless there's a child killer living in OP-one that killed someone as a child.
 
  • #427
I don't think it was a car accident as some have speculated.

Where I live, if it is a hit and run, they release as much info about the car as they can-color from paint chips on road or clothing of victim, parts that fall off, look for dents. that type of thing. I don't think they think it was a car accident or they would release that info so people could be on the lookout. A person who hits and runs is a different kind that a deliberate killer. Sometimes they hit and run because they were drunk.

In my memory I had thought the Sheriff had said "horrific crime". Now I see that he had said, "heinous crime" as posted above.

A pedestrian accident would leave evidence on the road, or grass, or sidewalk. There was no place investigated as the house on 1080 Gano, so there was no other crime scene around the area (that we know of.) Plus there were dogs searching and blood or bodily fluids on the road would've been a hit for the dogs even many weeks after.

Plus, due to the time of the day and visibility, someone must've heard a car slamming the breaks or hitting Somer, or seen the driver getting out of the car and picking her up.

Unless it was in a backroad, deserted at that time of the day, I doubt that was the case.

The term heinous crime hints of sexual abuse. But, sometimes I think that maybe the sheriff said that to describe the state of the body when found. That even though the criminal did not do it himself, he caused it by putting Somer in the garbage. Thus, causing it.

At the beginning I thought that maybe Somer saw a pool in someone's yard while "exploring" a shorcut and she jumped in and drowned. Then the homeowner did not want to get in trouble because he/she may not have insurance, or a fence, or the fence was torn and knew that he/she be in trouble with the law. So, the person panicked and dumped the body in the garbage.

That was my initial thought, knowing that Somer liked pools and tree houses.

The searches done at 1080 Gano, and the statements from the Sheriff made me change my mind.
 
  • #428
Then ST's address shows Copperas Cove, Tx .... that's right besides Fort Hood, and DT's address shows Killeen, Tx and that is on the other side of Fort Hood.

I'm curious if they lived together in both addresses while married, or separated and each lived on either side of the military post. Or if they lived at those addresses before they got married.

Life is complicated.

I've been around posts, and I know that many times a person divorces a military member to marry another military member. Could explain the 1st and 3rd marriage being in Texas?

True Dat!

But hopefully NOT complicated AND messy....which this kinda seems.

And yes 1st & 3rd hubby's were both military.

Didn't someone say so was DT?
 
  • #429
Sad, you don't have to justify any of it to me...I realize the number of kids involved. You made the murky very clear.

Having said that....it seems there's a - shall we say "disconnect" - between the 4 siblings living with DT....meaning between the OLDEST sibling and the younger 3 (that are now 2)....

The oldest has lived thru a lot more with his mom then the others needless to say since we don't know when the 2nd born left the situation - but we know they did) so he's seen one other sibling come and go (that 2nd born that does not live with DT)...and now Somer.

Not sure if anyone's smelling what I'm stepping in...

Anyways, I was asking houndstooth about their angle - wondering if they had one or was it just to confirm the # of kids."

I am wondering what you are thinking. Any more clues you want to give?

If I'm right about guessing what you are thinking, how does the time line work out and the perp could do anything and hide a body?
 
  • #430
"There had been a fire at the house and workers were there remodeling it. The workers said Somer walked inside the fence around the home and even spoke to them."

So she went inside the gate and around the house? That implies the back of the house to me. I don't get why she did that, unless she had done that in the past.

I don't think as a child, I would have ever gone up to an empty house myself to look around. Not alone. Does anyone think a child would do that? I still think she was lured there, but then the quote says, "workers." I can't see them being in league together, unless there were only 2. Could three or more weirdos be there together? I know anything is possible.

John Walsh said that it might be a killer who did it before. Is that for real or just sensationalism? That seems to let out a high school kid if that's true, unless there's a child killer living in OP-one that killed someone as a child.

Just in response to your question about sensationalism...

2009: A 7-year-old Orange Park girl goes missing as she walks home from school. 1974: Five girls, ages 6-12, disappear in Jacksonville in a three-month span.

It's that "CYA" thing again....It seems THEY don't even know for sure.
 
  • #431
Sad, you don't have to justify any of it to me...I realize the number of kids involved. You made the murky very clear.

Having said that....it seems there's a - shall we say "disconnect" - between the 4 siblings living with DT....meaning between the OLDEST sibling and the younger 3 (that are now 2)....

The oldest has lived thru a lot more with his mom then the others needless to say since we don't know when the 2nd born left the situation - but we know they did) so he's seen one other sibling come and go (that 2nd born that does not live with DT)...and now Somer.

Not sure if anyone's smelling what I'm stepping in...

Anyways, I was asking houndstooth about their angle - wondering if they had one or was it just to confirm the # of kids."

I am wondering what you are thinking. Any more clues you want to give?

If I'm right about guessing what you are thinking, how does the time line work out and the perp could do anything and hide a body?

I'm sniffing up a storm, but I can't smell what you're stepping in... can you pass me a tissue so I can blow my nose and take another sniff?
 
  • #432
Happy Thanksgiving Everyone. Tara, I am also a "Canuck". I live in BC.

Sorry Folks, I am a bit confused...with regard to the Drug Testing , is it DT or ST?
TIA
 
  • #433
Just in response to your question about sensationalism...

2009: A 7-year-old Orange Park girl goes missing as she walks home from school. 1974: Five girls, ages 6-12, disappear in Jacksonville in a three-month span.

It's that "CYA" thing again....It seems THEY don't even know for sure.

Excellent article. I know that some children listed as runaways are actually abducted because it's children that no one really cares about. They run away, but then may be abducted and killed while on the run.

If there is one who has come out of retirement, He could be as young as early 50's.

There was just a guy reported in the paper here that was arrested for inappropriate touching who's in his 70's. So I think that might be the outer limits. An older guy might end up with scratches, etc.

Or if he took a little courage from drugs or alcohol, he might not be as on the ball with physical strength.

The reference to Ted Bundy is a chilling one. I read a couple books about him and he traveled a WIDE area. He seemed to do daring daylight crimes.

Ugh. This just gets worse and worse.

I started on this website in August of this year. Does it take LE over a month to announce a killer if they know who it is?
 
  • #434
I'm sniffing up a storm, but I can't smell what you're stepping in... can you pass me a tissue so I can blow my nose and take another sniff?

Any chance passing me a tissue as well? My sniffer really doesn't need a tissue as I'm not smelling anything, but I don't mind getting some germs.
 
  • #435
I am wondering what you are thinking. Any more clues you want to give?

If I'm right about guessing what you are thinking, how does the time line work out and the perp could do anything and hide a body?

Here's your tissue but NO germs human...

I'm merely speculating with the little bit we know. Just thinking outloud with you all - my mind isn't completely made up either way.

But IF (notice my BIG IF) this was the case, (I think...) the only way it works is if she was killed before DT arrived in OP - and a dumpster was very nearby the scene of the crime - and having said that - in this case - I would not consider 1080 house the crimescene. Nor would I think she was ever in the dumpster there.

So some other dumpster in the neighborhood - obviously tucked away from the school zone traffic and the next question I ask myself is who could lift 65 lbs to put her in there?
 
  • #436
Happy Thanksgiving Everyone. Tara, I am also a "Canuck". I live in BC.

Sorry Folks, I am a bit confused...with regard to the Drug Testing , is it DT or ST?
TIA


Well look who it is!!!! Hey there cathdawg - where have you been??????
 
  • #437
I don't think that she was in the dumpster at Gano, unless she was there at first and then moved. The reason I say that is because the dumpster was full when LE was looking through it. Of course, that was a couple of days after Somer went missing and the dumpster could have been filled up with more stuff .
 
  • #438
Here's your tissue but NO germs human...

I'm merely speculating with the little bit we know. Just thinking outloud with you all - my mind isn't completely made up either way.

But IF (notice my BIG IF) this was the case, (I think...) the only way it works is if she was killed before DT arrived in OP - and a dumpster was very nearby the scene of the crime - and having said that - in this case - I would not consider 1080 house the crimescene. Nor would I think she was ever in the dumpster there.

So some other dumpster in the neighborhood - obviously tucked away from the school zone traffic and the next question I ask myself is who could lift 65 lbs to put her in there?

Two people? Just wanted to also mention the Chinese Food again. Ming Moon 0.6 min from 1080 Gano. located at 664 Kingsley Ave.
 
  • #439
Happy Thanksgiving Everyone. Tara, I am also a "Canuck". I live in BC.

Sorry Folks, I am a bit confused...with regard to the Drug Testing , is it DT or ST?
TIA

WOW cathdawg! All this time & I HAD NO IDEA!!! We are neighbours I'm in good ol' AB. (11C or 52F here today - and a little windy cindy - lol - it's like a lovely spring day!)

PS I think - DT is to be tested....someone correct me if/when I'm wrong.
:)
 
  • #440
Hi Chee, I have been visiting a friend for the past week, no puter so...I pop into internet cafe's. I will be back in my saddle tonight. LOL
 
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